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Lmao the Belichick disciples in this thread are hilarious. The fact that I’m seeing excuses about this season’s “cap” and “going all out in Brady’s final year in New England" is amusing and totally misses the point.

This isn’t a one season issue.

It’s the sum of several years of mismanaging the draft, free agency and trades by Bill, along with his stubborn ego and hardball refusal to pay Brady fair market value for his services (which, if we're totally being honest here, would've been underpaying Brady after an unprecedented 20 years of service, 9 Super Bowl appearances, 6 titles and billions of dollars made for this organization).

The Belichick fanboys are literally just parroting the excuses Bill said on the radio months ago. Problem is, these excuses are worse now than they were were when he said them.

He paid Brady $13.5 million dollars to literally not play here and bring another team to a Super Bowl. Don't bring up the cap, then refuse to acknowledge that particular bit of idiocy.

Belichick had no succession plan at QB and simply put got his bet wrong in regards to Tom's durability. Bill bet against the GOAT and got burned, plain and simple. All these excuses do nothing to change that fact.

don’t need the cap crap to know the pats were going nowhere Brady or not
 

lancerman

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That "$13 million we are already paying him anyways" was already paid out for previous years. They'd have to pay him on top of that.
That 13 million only came into play if we didn't have him signed by a certain date. If we signed him I'm pretty sure that goes off the books. Someone else can answer that.
 

lancerman

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don’t need the cap crap to know the pats were going nowhere Brady or not
Would you rather have Brady for when we rebuilt at the expense of one or two players this year or do a rebuild and have no clue who the QB is? Because that is where we are now. We could hit extraordinarily in this next off season and we still don't have a QB.
 

Biffins

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Brady Proved on Sunday the Patriots Gave Up On Him Too Soon
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Obviously, everything has to end. Moving on from Brady needed to happen eventually, but the fact New England put Brady in the position to have to move on is the part that will potentially go down as one of the more frustrating ones in team history.

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How true. And maddening. And frustrating. ARGH!!
 

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That 13 million only came into play if we didn't have him signed by a certain date. If we signed him I'm pretty sure that goes off the books. Someone else can answer that.
$6.75M of that was going to hit the 2020 cap no matter what. The other half was on the 2021 cap and moved up to 2020 when he hit free agency.
 

lancerman

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$6.75M of that was going to hit the 2020 cap no matter what. The other half was on the 2021 cap and moved up to 2020 when he hit free agency.
Okay so you knock 6 million off. You cut either Gilmore or Thuney plus someone else. Those two guys are highly unlikely to remain next year anyways imo.
 

SteveBsFan

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And Brady felt that he earned the right to end his career in NE.
I think everyone wanted that but at what point does it become unreasonable? Was he giving any timeline other than his "play until 45" quote?

And IF Belichick did appease the fans and sign him to a 5-6 year deal back in 2018 or so, would those same fans be fine with 3 or so disaster losing seasons in the event that Brady followed the typical qb career trajectory and fell off a cliff after 40? Do people really think fans would say "well sure, Brady looks like he's 100 out there and we've only won 4 games this year but I'm super happy he is still playing!"

His stats have been consistently declining since around 2016. I guarantee had he returned for 2020 with his anger and complete lack of weapons and put up a 6-7 win season, fans would be pissed BB isn't looking ahead.

Managers/coaches can't win with the fans in this town. Even the GOAT
 

Todd Bradley

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You must be one of those people that doesn't understand how the cap works, and seems to think all bill had to do was throw the non existent money at the problem.

Brady chose to leave LAST year. there was ZERO chance he played in new england in 2020. ZERO
Lmaooo still this guy with the cap excuses.

Wake up pal: It’s Bill’s job to manage the cap.

Saying the cap is one of the main reasons Brady left means you’re blaming Bill.

You Belichick disciples are utterly hilarious.
 

AlexB

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Ummm, Saints had a better roster until they lost to Bucs. Green Bay had a better roster as well with NFL MVP until they lost to them. Chiefs truly have a way better roster that's played together for 3 years. That's why Bucs are dogs again.

Bucs have a "talented roster" that didn't know how to win until Brady got there. They were the most penalized team in 2019, and dropped to #6 in 2020. That's an incredible turnaround.

This is all credited to the Patriots Way! All of the Bucs improvements are being attributed to the way our Patriots play. Why wouldn't we be proud of that? I hope they win; they deserve it because they have clearly been putting in the work, doing their job so to speak!
I would love to see an analysis about the Bucs being such a loaded roster that was done before Brady signed with them, or maybe even at the beginning of the season. Seems that this talk has just come up in the last few weeks.

It's true the Bucs have a fair number of high draft picks with high ceilings, but you can say that about a number of teams who've been bad recently. They also have a bunch of big name players who are past their prime and are no longer as good as their name suggests
 

jmt57

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Okay so you knock 6 million off. You cut either Gilmore or Thuney plus someone else. Those two guys are highly unlikely to remain next year anyways imo.
How far do you think that hypothetical (trade Brady for Gilmore/Thuney) team is going?

Maybe a 7 or 8 seed and another one and done?
 

PatsWSB47

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I'm not sure a game where Brady threw for 3 interceptions and was gift wrapped 2 TDs by his defense exactly proves the Patriots gave up on him too soon.:rolleyes:
Roll your eyes. Lol. Typical Brady deniers cherry picking parts of a game in order to define him entirely. The Buccaneers improved to make the playoffs and are in the Superbowl mostly because of Tom Brady.
 

Wozzy

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It’s the “cap” in salary cap that escapes many.

If I wasn’t on a budget I would drive a Ferrari, sniff coke off Russian escort’s asses and eat caviar while flying my private jet to Prague.

Wish in one hand, sht in the other... tell me which fills up first.

Cue the next numbnut with zero understanding of the salary cap... I literally get dumber reading this cheerleading tripe.
 

DropKickFlutie

In the Starting Line-Up
Brady took Reche Caldwell, Chad Jackson, Bam Childress, Doug Gabriel, and Troy Brown in the twilight of his career to the AFC Championship and nearly won it if not for an unfortunate call by the referee. So I think Brady is different.

Regardless, to transform a 7-9 team into a Super Bowl team, during a pandemic where training/extra camp sessions were limited, is unprecedented. Have to give the guy his due. He is special. If you think the last 20 years are the norm, then expect to be disappointed.

Deja vu on personnel with McDaniels now. Harry, Meyers, old Edelman, Asiasi, Keene. The offense declines with this genius. But this time no HOF QB to bail everything out.

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amfootball

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Roll your eyes. Lol. Typical Brady deniers cherry picking parts of a game in order to define him entirely. The Buccaneers improved to make the playoffs and are in the Superbowl mostly because of Tom Brady.
The sequence at the end of the half. The fourth down conversion and dagger to Miller was Brady at his finest in the biggest of moments. You could hear the air drain out of Lambeau and that the game was over right there.
 

Lagaffe_07

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Roll your eyes. Lol. Typical Brady deniers cherry picking parts of a game in order to define him entirely. The Buccaneers improved to make the playoffs and are in the Superbowl mostly because of Tom Brady.
Exactly, the D wasn’t great all year long! Brady carried this team on his shoulders all regular season. When Brady played bad in the regular season TB lost. There isn’t a game where the D won the game in the regular season where Brady was playing bad!

Brady played really well against WSH and if it wasn’t for his WR dropping passes all over the place would put 40 against a top 3 D. He played well against NO too.

But i will give credit to the D, the last two games, they played their two best games of the year with the week 6 game against GB! But completely like Brady was trash against NO and GB and the only reason they won was the D. Those wins where complementary football wins! Without Brady they would have lost and without the D they would have lost too.
 

Wozzy

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Exactly, the D wasn’t great all year long! Brady carried this team on his shoulders all regular season. When Brady played bad in the regular season TB lost. There isn’t a game where the D won the game in the regular season where Brady was playing bad!

Brady played really well against WSH and if it wasn’t for his WR dropping passes all over the place would put 40 against a top 3 D. He played well against NO too.

But i will give credit to the D, the last two games, they played their two best games of the year with the week 6 game against GB! But completely like Brady was trash against NO and GB and the only reason they won was the D. Those wins where complementary football wins! Without Brady they would have lost and without the D they would have lost too.
Regular season ranking:
6th fewest points in points per drive
6th fewest yards per drive
5th in forced turnovers
4th in sacks
3rd in interceptions
#1 in fewest rushing attempts, yards, TD's and yards per attempt

They were a top five, or even top three defense this season... last I checked Tom didn't play defense.

What really changed for this team throughout this season was penalties, early on they were leading the NFL in penalties.

What really changed for them this postseason is rushing, entering the Packers game they were second in the postseason in rushing attempts per game. They learned in the second New Orleans game where they set an NFL record for fewest rushes in a single game and got blown out, that even a team with the best receiving weapons in history can't become one dimensional and ignore the run. If they ran the ball in the regular season and cleaned up the penalties right away they probably would have broken every offensive record known to man. They're an All-Star team.
 

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Would you rather have Brady for when we rebuilt at the expense of one or two players this year or do a rebuild and have no clue who the QB is? Because that is where we are now. We could hit extraordinarily in this next off season and we still don't have a QB.

nope.......I was kind of done with him after his mini-tantrum that forced jimmy g to be traded. Yeah, we still won, but I think Brady's a dick and after 20 years I'm fine with his departure....it doesn't even matter to me who is responsible for him leaving.
 

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