Moss trade to Dallas?

[Mossed]

Great idea! We could start Patten and Aiken next year!

 

[TriplecHamp]

Great idea! We could start Patten and Aiken next year!

Because its totally ridiculous to think that we would add another receiver between now and training camp, just saying.

 

[Sean Pa Patriot]

Look Moss is not going anywhere in 10... we have another week till the real offseason begins, lets wait till then...

 

[Kontradiction]

All rumors aside. I would swap Moss for Austin. Austin is young fast and extremely strong. He also has great hands and is a beast after the catch. We only have one season to look at so of course it would be a minor risk but it's much less a risk than say a 1st round draft pick. The guy is a hard worker and can definitely play. Now I am not a Moss hater, if fact I am definitely more on the apologists side. I would love for him to come back strong this season and then possibly sign for two more. Ideally I would love to have a WR like Austin, or Vincent Jackson on the other side of Moss. But at this stage in their careers I would make that swap strait up. It'll never happen though because JJ knows what he has in Austin.. Maybe he'd take a 1st rounder?

We KNOW for a fact that Moss works in the system. Why would we want to trade him for an unknown?

 

[patsfan-1982]

Great idea! We could start Patten and Aiken next year!

i can't see patten makeing the team. or even playing a pre-season game with the pats. they will bring in a few JAG's and they will draft at lest one and bring in a few un-drafted guys and moss, is not going to get traded.

 

[patsfaninpittsburgh]

Moss for Barber

HAS ANYONE BOTHERED TO ASK WHY JONES AND CHOICE ARE THE FUTURE?

Marion Barber is already on the downhill and ia a RB who gets injured and lacks explosiveness.

Ya might want to actually watch him like play last year when he wasn't injured.

 

[Jangles]

Rumors are that Marion Barber might be on the block since Felix Jones has taken the lead role and Tashard Choice is emerging. I would trade Moss for Barber in a heartbeat. Bring back the Golden Golpher backfield.

Me too

I'm sick of winning football games

 

[VJCPatriot]

What about Bobby Carpenter? I liked him coming out of Ohio State and thought the Pats were going to draft him.

BUST! I wouldn't give anything valuable for him.

His tackle totals the last 4 years - 15, 11, 9, 37. NO thanks.

Demarcus Ware, Miles Austin, or Jason Witten are the only assets on the Cowboys that I'd consider trading for.

PS The Cowboys did NOT put the franchise tag on Miles Austin. But they offered him the 1st + 3rd round tender. Uggh.

We KNOW for a fact that Moss works in the system. Why would we want to trade him for an unknown?

I actually really like Moss and I think he'll have a very good 2010. But don't forget he's going to be 33.
Miles Austin and Vincent Jackson are NOT unknowns after what they did this season.
They are two of the top young receivers in the NFL and they are both under 27 years old.
Acquiring Austin now would be like getting Wes Welker after he broke out in 2007.

 

[Rob0729]

None of Jackson, Marshall or Boldin would make the 2010 receiving corp better in replacement of Moss. Plus, I'd much rather Moss + Boldin than Moss + Barber. This is a passing team and a passing league and we have Brady, remember?

I misspoke. I didn't mean that Moss' loss would make the receiving corp better. I meant this offense could be improved without Moss with the addition of a top RFA WR. I would rather have Vincent Jackson myself because he has a legitimate shot of being a 1,000 yards plus receiver the remaineder of Brady's career. Moss is gone after this season.

Maroney is capable of 1,000 yards. The strategical decision not to pound any single RB that much throughout the season is one that I think you are blaming on an apparent lack of ability in Maroney. Barber is better yes, but BB doesn't seem to WANT to pound any RB for 1,000 yards since Dillon's breakdown.

I am a Maroney fan, but I don't think he is a back you can capably rely on to carry the rock for a 1,000 yard season. The Pats ran him quite a bit before he started to fumble. The Pats would love a balance offense.

And really, fade down the stretch? He didn't fade down the stretch in 07 nor 08.... and not even 09 when he had a separated shoulder.

In three playoff games in the 2007 season, he had seven catches for 94 yards and a TD. That is 2.3 catches a game for 31.3 yards and 0.33 TDs a game in the playoffs. That is clearly fading down the stretch.

In 2008, here are his games from November 30th on:

4 catches, 45 yards, 0 TDs vs. Pittsburgh
3 catches, 53 yards, 0 TDs vs Seattle
5 catches, 67 yards, 2 TDs vs. Oakland
2 catches, 87 yards, 1 TDs vs. Arizona (who quit in that game)
1 catch, 13 yards vs. Buffalo

He might not have faded down the stretch, but he was mediocre down the stretch.

 

[emoney_33]

I am a Maroney fan, but I don't think he is a back you can capably rely on to carry the rock for a 1,000 yard season. The Pats ran him quite a bit before he started to fumble. The Pats would love a balance offense.

They ran him the same as they always use him, a little less than 200 carries on the year. He was used more in some games because both Taylor and Morris were hurt. There is little to indicate the Patriots want any single running back getting 20+ carries a game. Plus they already have a 'balanced' offense (55-45).

In three playoff games in the 2007 season, he had seven catches for 94 yards and a TD. That is 2.3 catches a game for 31.3 yards and 0.33 TDs a game in the playoffs. That is clearly fading down the stretch.

No it isn't fading down the stretch. As a matter of fact it's a case of Brady doing exactly what people claim he refuses to do. Jax and SD put a lot of focus on stopping Moss, opening up things for Stallworth, Welker, Gaffney and even Faulk who led the team in receiving yards against SD. Not to mention Maroney ran for 100+ in those 2 games.

Now if the JAX and SD's number one goal was not to stop Moss, then maybe you could claim he faded in the playoffs. It's not even as if the Patriots offense was anemic in those 2 games. They were 2 pretty good defenses too right? In the playoffs

In 2008, here are his games from November 30th on:

4 catches, 45 yards, 0 TDs vs. Pittsburgh
3 catches, 53 yards, 0 TDs vs Seattle
5 catches, 67 yards, 2 TDs vs. Oakland
2 catches, 87 yards, 1 TDs vs. Arizona (who quit in that game)
1 catch, 13 yards vs. Buffalo

He might not have faded down the stretch, but he was mediocre down the stretch.

that's mediocre down the stretch for a deep threat receiver with Cassel? Really? Wow, don't look at Fitzgerald's last 8 games of 2009 then, apparently he was terrible.

 

[Yfz01]

I misspoke. I didn't mean that Moss' loss would make the receiving corp better. I meant this offense could be improved without Moss with the addition of a top RFA WR. I would rather have Vincent Jackson myself because he has a legitimate shot of being a 1,000 yards plus receiver the remaineder of Brady's career. Moss is gone after this season.





I am a Maroney fan, but I don't think he is a back you can capably rely on to carry the rock for a 1,000 yard season. The Pats ran him quite a bit before he started to fumble. The Pats would love a balance offense.



In three playoff games in the 2007 season, he had seven catches for 94 yards and a TD. That is 2.3 catches a game for 31.3 yards and 0.33 TDs a game in the playoffs. That is clearly fading down the stretch.

In 2008, here are his games from November 30th on:

4 catches, 45 yards, 0 TDs vs. Pittsburgh
3 catches, 53 yards, 0 TDs vs Seattle
5 catches, 67 yards, 2 TDs vs. Oakland
2 catches, 87 yards, 1 TDs vs. Arizona (who quit in that game)
1 catch, 13 yards vs. Buffalo

He might not have faded down the stretch, but he was mediocre down the stretch.

^ Did you watch the Buffalo game? Or even Arizona game? Some terrible weather. Kind of hard to put up huge stats. But 3 TDs in 4 games isn't bad at all (exclude the Buffalo game for obvious reasons...)

 

[Snake Eyes]

Great idea! We could start Patten and Aiken next year!

1) Do you think we'll win the Superbowl next year? If not then it doesn't matter if Brady throws to Patten and Aiken.

2) Moss is likely gone after the 2010 season, so if we could get draft picks that will allow us to get ahold of players for a legitimate Superbowl run, why not do it at the cost of losing Moss for 1 year?

3) There is nothing stopping the team from picking up Dominik Hixon and Kevin Walter, along with Edelman that's a very solid receiving lineup, if a deal could be had with Leon Washington it's starting to become scary. With picks that could be had from a Moss trade the whole team could beef up even more.

4a) If Moss helping the team by talking untrue smack about the Krafts, saying they don't pay when he's been getting top dollar and when the team is spending close to the cap every year?

4b)Is he helping the team by talking about "stacking his bread" after losing in the playoffs to the Ravens?

Trading him for picks is the best thing for the team, I've done making excuses for him.

 

[BillBelichickFan79]

1) Do you think we'll win the Superbowl next year? If not then it doesn't matter if Brady throws to Patten and Aiken.

2) Moss is likely gone after the 2010 season, so if we could get draft picks that will allow us to get ahold of players for a legitimate Superbowl run, why not do it at the cost of losing Moss for 1 year?

3) There is nothing stopping the team from picking up Dominik Hixon and Kevin Walter, along with Edelman that's a very solid receiving lineup, if a deal could be had with Leon Washington it's starting to become scary. With picks that could be had from a Moss trade the whole team could beef up even more.

4a) If Moss helping the team by talking untrue smack about the Krafts, saying they don't pay when he's been getting top dollar and when the team is spending close to the cap every year?

4b)Is he helping the team by talking about "stacking his bread" after losing in the playoffs to the Ravens?

Trading him for picks is the best thing for the team, I've done making excuses for him.

Did you really just say a WR corps of Hixon, Walter, and Edelman is solid? And if Leon Washington is added the offense is scary? What?! If we are going to get rid of Moss, we need to acquire another #1 WR who can be a game changer.

I'm not opposed to ridding ourselves of Moss because I think he's gone after next year and want to get younger at WR. I'm also sick of him not doing anything in the playoffs for us. I don't care what he did with Minnesota, it's irrelevant. He's done next to nothing for us in the postseason.

If we could trade Moss in a deal for Marshall I would do it in an instant. If we traded Moss for picks and went after Vincent Jackson, I wouldn't mind that either. Moss only has 1-2 good years left in him IMO so we have to start looking for someone to replace him and be here for the rest of TB's career.

Another possibility is letting Moss play out his final year and drafting a good #2 WR like Benn in 2010. Let Moss walk and use the Oakland pick on a WR like AJ Green to be that next "Randy Moss" type WR. 2011 you have Green, Benn, healthy Welker, Tate, Edelman. That's a nice deep WR corps.

 

[WelshPat]

Hixon, Walter and Edleman? urgh... *throws up*

 

[Snake Eyes]

Did you really just say a WR corps of Hixon, Walter, and Edelman is solid?

If we are going to get rid of Moss, we need to acquire another #1 WR who can be a game changer.
.

Yes, Hixon and Walter are solid receivers and Washington not only has dynamic acceleration but could double as a receiver as well, defenses would have a tough time game planning for a guy like him if used properly.

And no, we don't need a #1 WR to replace Moss, not immediately anyway.

"Moss" isn't really here that much anyway, especially not late in the season when he's really needed, so it's not like trading him costs you that much.

Also, the game is won at the line, always has been, you want to improve the running game, improve you line, same with the passing game. Brady was playing with some nasty injuries this year and he also has a very inconsistent line, no coincidence there. He was looking to Welker so he could get the ball off quickly so he wouldn't get hit, give him more time with a better line and all of a sudden you'll start seeing Tate, Aiken, and Stanback getting some passes their way.

When Brady won Superbowls with no name receivers he had a very good line, people forget about that.

 

[Sean Pa Patriot]

When Brady won Superbowls with no name receivers he had a very good line, people forget about that


Well they also lost a chance of a super bowl, because they had a bunch of shoemakers at WR... Troy Brown, David Givens and Deion Branch were solid recievers... Aiken, and Stanbeck are shoe makers , and eldeman and tate are unknown at best...

 

[Jangles]

Aiken, and Stanbeck are shoe makers ,

how dare you offend shoe makers like that

 

[Sean Pa Patriot]

how dare you offend shoe makers like that

.. That is funny..

 

[Snake Eyes]

When Brady won Superbowls with no name receivers he had a very good line, people forget about that


Well they also lost a chance of a super bowl, because they had a bunch of shoemakers at WR... Troy Brown, David Givens and Deion Branch were solid recievers... Aiken, and Stanbeck are shoe makers , and eldeman and tate are unknown at best...

You do know the team also had the flu all that week? I can also point out all the irregularities concerning the officiating but that's better discussed in another thread.

Also, I never said I want shoemakers as WRs, and Edelman is NOT an unknown at this point, he's a Mini-Me version of Welker. I'm not against adding solid WRs in the draft, I'm just see the O-line as a more immediate issue. Keep Brady healthy and get a playcaller worth a damn and you'll see major improvements.

How you use your resources is just as important if not more so than the intrinsic value of the resources. Just take a look at the Saints, is their receiving corp filled with #1s? They have solid talent but Brees is very well protected and he spreads the ball around, the fact that Lance Moore could be the receiver means Marques Colston has more opportunities to get open and be a playmaker, oh yeah, Colston was a 7th round pick.

The fact is that Moss's value to the Patriots is dropping rapidly, he desperately wants to win a Superbowl and doesn't have much time to do it and he doesn't think it's going to happen with this team, that being the case he will continue to be a malcontent and further disrupt a team sorely lacking in player leadership.

Seriously, who talks smack about their boss like he just did, especially considering the amount of money he's been making? It's time for him to go.

 

[emoney_33]

The fact is that Moss's value to the Patriots is dropping rapidly, he desperately wants to win a Superbowl and doesn't have much time to do it and he doesn't think it's going to happen with this team, that being the case he will continue to be a malcontent and further disrupt a team sorely lacking in player leadership.

I wonder what you'll be saying when his teammates vote him captain for the third year in a row. It's fixed! Recount!