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So, what's your explanation for why all these other fans think ESPN is biased against them? Are THEY all wrong, and you're right? You're the truly persecuted ones, right, while they're all frauds? I'm interested to hear this.

I don't care what fans of other teams think, it's irelevant .
espn is crappy tabloid stuff, and they stick it to us every chance they get.
Not watching their BS is having a great effect on my season.
espn is like... junk food for the mind.
Kraft should'nt let them on the premises.
Other teams fans? Who cares.
They are free to hate on espn all they like.
Who am I to stop them.
I heard espn has really clean balls though.
 
So, what's your explanation for why all these other fans think ESPN is biased against them? Are THEY all wrong, and you're right? You're the truly persecuted ones, right, while they're all frauds? I'm interested to hear this.

Ya know, it's not just us Patriot fans, there is a QB in this league that equated ESPN to MTV about 3 or 4 months ago.......oh what was his name......oh, yea! Tom Brady, you know who he is? He's pretty good, check him out next September, he'll be owning whatever team you're currently rooting for.
 
So, what's your explanation for why all these other fans think ESPN is biased against them? Are THEY all wrong, and you're right? You're the truly persecuted ones, right, while they're all frauds? I'm interested to hear this.


I'm more interested in hearing how ESPN's MR people came up with the idea that scandal, no matter how sensationalized and manufactured, would be the key to attracting more women? No doubt you'd need a strong line up to compete with Days Of Our Lives and Oprah.
 
I'm more interested in hearing how ESPN's MR people came up with the idea that scandal, no matter how sensationalized and manufactured, would be the key to attracting more women? No doubt you'd need a strong line up to compete with Days Of Our Lives and Oprah.

I asked him to explain that, he did not, because he can't.

I like this one from Florio today, the actual article is irrelevant, but what he says about ESPN is funny and telling that many writers and people in the "industry" are turning against ESPN:

"We were amazed a couple of weeks ago when the various sock puppets (we’re looking at you, four-letter network) were talking as if Johnson was a lot better than the guy who was in reality a turnover machine two years ago in Minnesota."
 
The paranoia about ESPN on this site is unbelievable. Nobody is going to spend a lot of highlight time on Matt Cassel and Deltha O'Neal on a day when there's a World Series game and a host of other NFL games on. This was a pretty dull game against a very mediocre St. Louis team that was playing without its marquee attraction. The only truly exciting plays were committed by St. Louis. You all have to think about this rationally. Boston is one of the top 4 or 5 markets ESPN has. If there was any real hint of anti-Patriots bias in their coverage, management would stomp it out instantly. They covered Spygate to death because that is what TV program directors do, always: they cover scandal stories. You think they cover TO or Chad Johnson's blabberings to death because they have particular feelings about their teams? If anything the the Spygate coverage wasn't driven by anti- new England bias but by a desire to attract women and non sports-fans to the network. Human interest and scandal stories are the tried-and-true method of bringing in "casual" viewers to any corner/niche of the programming universe, whether it's politics or sports. Now I get that you might not like that decision-making, but it's crazy to suggest that this is somehow bias against New England or the Patriots. ESPN spends half of its baseball coverage blowing the Red Sox and it's similarly worshipful of the Celtics. Try being a Kansas City Royals fan or a Buffalo Bills fan and see how much coverage of any kind, good or bad, your team gets on ESPN.

I mean really. This stuff is getting old. Can this site go even ten minutes without some long thread in which dozens of people line up to whine about something? You'd think these were fans of a losing team.

First of all, they did play a fair amount of highlights of an exciting game between the Rams and Pats, only they chose to highlight the positives of the Rams and the missed plays by Moss(leaving out any positive plays he made). We all know that Marvin Harrison never misses a block! But an integral part of the thread was the completely erroneous comment by TJ that the Pats are now a running team, when they just ran it enough to keep the defense honest with their 3rd down back and a rookie Green-Ellis. No one ever claimed that ESPN has a bone to pick with BOSTON teams, but they most certainly have a problem with the Patriots, and more specifically Belichick. You obviously come from a position of some sort of disdain for Boston sports and feel irked when ESPN covers the NBA champion Boston Celtics, or last years World Series champion Red sox team. Next time the Bills go undefeated Im sure they'll get some play, but hopefully it wont be the bs stuff like their coach has no class, or their coach doesn't respect the league because he's not entertaining in interviews.
 
The paranoia about ESPN on this site is unbelievable. Nobody is going to spend a lot of highlight time on Matt Cassel and Deltha O'Neal on a day when there's a World Series game and a host of other NFL games on. This was a pretty dull game against a very mediocre St. Louis team that was playing without its marquee attraction. The only truly exciting plays were committed by St. Louis. You all have to think about this rationally. Boston is one of the top 4 or 5 markets ESPN has. If there was any real hint of anti-Patriots bias in their coverage, management would stomp it out instantly. They covered Spygate to death because that is what TV program directors do, always: they cover scandal stories. You think they cover TO or Chad Johnson's blabberings to death because they have particular feelings about their teams? If anything the the Spygate coverage wasn't driven by anti- new England bias but by a desire to attract women and non sports-fans to the network. Human interest and scandal stories are the tried-and-true method of bringing in "casual" viewers to any corner/niche of the programming universe, whether it's politics or sports. Now I get that you might not like that decision-making, but it's crazy to suggest that this is somehow bias against New England or the Patriots. ESPN spends half of its baseball coverage blowing the Red Sox and it's similarly worshipful of the Celtics. Try being a Kansas City Royals fan or a Buffalo Bills fan and see how much coverage of any kind, good or bad, your team gets on ESPN.

I mean really. This stuff is getting old. Can this site go even ten minutes without some long thread in which dozens of people line up to whine about something? You'd think these were fans of a losing team.


I originally thought that this was just someone I disagreed with, but now that I've read the thread, I've come to another conclusion:

:trolls:
 
I originally thought that this was just someone I disagreed with, but now that I've read the thread, I've come to another conclusion:

:trolls:

Ya I mean I am not among the majority of people here that hate ESPN but Ungeheuer is a little too pro ESPN
 
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Ya I mean I am not among the majority of people here that hate ESPN but Ungeheuer is a little too pro ESPN

I've actually defended ESPN out here when I thought that the Pats were just rolling over for them and making it easy to smear the team, so I don't mind disagreeing with a Pats fan who comes off once in a while as pro ESPN, but this guy is acting more like a Troll than anything else...
 
I'm more interested in hearing how ESPN's MR people came up with the idea that scandal, no matter how sensationalized and manufactured, would be the key to attracting more women? No doubt you'd need a strong line up to compete with Days Of Our Lives and Oprah.

Look, this isn't brain surgery. Sports programmers play up human interest themes to attract female viewers. ESPN admitted this openly when they launched "Playmakers" a few years back -- they were trying to teach women to be football fans by introducing them to the sport via a serialized, soap-opera style drama fueled by controversial themes. If you think it's an accident that that show's storyboards read like an issue of Us Weekly -- centered around infidelity, drug use, sexual identity issues and so on -- fine. Or you can take the company at its word when it said it used shows like Playmakers to try to bring in more casual female viewers. ESPN's NFL broadcasts for years have attracted higher percentages of female viewers than Fox, NBC or CBS, and that's because they work hard at that crap. And while I'm sure there was no prime directive ordering Sportscenter to hammer Bill Belichick in order to drive up female audiences, it's just basic common sense in the media business -- where I happen to work -- that you expand your audiences by hooking readers/viewers on sensational storylines. TV is always looking to create heroes, villains and black-hat/white-hat psychodramas out of news stories. Is this really so hard to understand? Are you really going to argue that TV programmers don't try to attract new viewers by sensationalizing their news content?

Oh, yeah, and by the way, I am a Patriots fan, and have been my whole life. I'm also a fan of the Celtics and Red Sox. Call me a troll if you like but I'm sick of hearing so-called "fans" whine about how the media is ganging up on them, like there's some kind of conspiracy or something. I mean OBVIOUSLY Tom Jackson has a problem with the Patriots -- that dates back to the pregame show before an Eagles game years ago when he said that the Pats "hate their coach," a statement which caused Belichick to completely blackball ESPN for the rest of the season. But Tom Jackson is one guy and he's entitled to his opinion, just like Bill Simmons is entitled to his.

And just to be clear, I could care less about ESPN. They're a giant, ruthless, completely amoral media company owned by an even bigger and more amoral company in Disney. They were totally wrong about Spygate and a lot of their reporting was irresponsible. But they didn't do it because they have an "anti-Patriots agenda." They did it because they could. It was a sports story that became a breaking, crossover news story that probably scored them tons of new viewers and they always hammer those to death. They didn't go after Barry Bonds because they hate the Giants. They didn't cover the Clemens steroids/infidelity story because they hate the Yankees or the Astros. They did it just because they're a bunch of money-grubbing media creeps and that's what they do.

My problem is with these fans who think part of supporting their team is whining every single day about how the rest of the world hates them so much. Even today, you had people on this board getting on ESPN for reporting the story about the Rams complaining about the officiating, about how this was a "wet dream" for ESPN. I mean, come on! Listen to yourselves! If some Chiefs fan said to you that Larry Johnson getting busted for hitting women was a "wet dream" for ESPN, you'd think he was crazy, wouldn't you? If a Knicks fan said he thought ESPN just couldn't wait to report the news about Isiah's overdose, that that was just a stroke of luck for the anti-Knicks crowd at ESPN, you'd think he was nuts, wouldn't you? Right?
 
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Embrace the hate in '08!
 
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