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[venecol]

This is the two wrongs dont make a right in simple english right here.

Agreed.

This is basically how I was seeing it. So, how long will it take before Mayo shakes all this rookie nonsense and people want to be here?

 

[1960Pats]

So so the coaches around the league not want to work for New England/ Kraft or is it our rookie head coach?

What's going on here.

If I had to guess, which is my only option, the lack of players is a good reason not to come here as a coach. You can't make chicken salad out of chicken **** and that's all Bill left us with.

 

[1960Pats]

I think all the coaches are flocking to work for Harris, Tepper, Haslam and Mark Davis, all of which are much better owners than the Krafts.

It's possible that the Krafts are being judged as cheap because of the tightwad who just got fired. Prior to Bill the Krafts were more likely to spend on top players.

 

[Love The Drake]

It's possible that the Krafts are being judged as cheap because of the tightwad who just got fired. Prior to Bill the Krafts were more likely to spend on top players.

I don’t know the comment Kraft said impressed him about Bill the most was his salary cap philosophy,

That was a red flag to me that questions will we spend the money for top players?

 

[signbabybrady]

Yeah there are fans that will **** on you after winning 6 titles

 

[mgteich]

With the Coordinators named, that means the Pats are on to positional coaches.
It's going to be interesting to see how many of them are kept.

O-Line is the big one on offense if Klemm is gone. What happens with Troy Brown will also be interesting since he's the only remaining guy from the original SB run (fan nostalgia). The fact that he was given the HC Job for one side of the Senior Bowl after being the OC last year makes you wonder how much of a push the NFL is giving him.

On defense, it will be interesting to see if Steve accepts a demotion or is on the move. It will be interesting to see if Brian is retained as well as he's been a very good coach in the secondary..

Our receivers coach should go.

The question is whether Troy stays on as returner/receivers coach or perhaps as receiver coach and perhaps an advisor.

 

[mgteich]

Yeah there are fans that will **** on you after winning 6 titles

many, many fans

 

[festy1986]

Um no one knows. Be patient and give him a chance. See how it looks after two seasons evaluate what to do from there.

People are losing patience like one month into a job. He actually managed to put together a staff, at least the coordinators who could be plenty competent and take us on the upward trajectory.

If the team improves substantially in that time more people will be very much ready to join in on it.

I've been patient. It's On Bob now. You're acting like it's been one month when really it's been 5 years.

Five years leading to Mayo hire? Ya bro, don't tell me how to feel about that.

I don’t know what the 2 wrongs are. Wolf has been around the block…he knows people. Teams and agents know Wolf far more than Groh.

If that makes me wrong…I don’t want to be right.

My point is that one has nothing to do with the other.

Will you be there to admit you was wrong or you only gonna come out of the woodwork when it works out?

 

[mgteich]

It's possible that the Krafts are being judged as cheap because of the tightwad who just got fired. Prior to Bill the Krafts were more likely to spend on top players.

I don't think that using the cap money for more middle level players is being cheap. I'm fine with our top 10 Defense with only Judon being paid major money. Is it better to bring in $15m-$20M AAV play to replace Dugger or would we better of bringing in a Peppers level player at free safety and bring in addition bring in a CB or front six player at about the same level?

It is cheap when we defer less compensation than almost team in the NFL, thus having a team where the total committed contract totals are much lower, that is, we don't average our money as much as any other team.

 

[venecol]

Will you be there to admit you was wrong or you only gonna come out of the woodwork when it works out?

Wrong about what?

At this point I'm just supporting Mayo and his staff. We've yet to find out how they'll perform. I think they're doing a good job so far. Time will tell. I'm willing to wait instead of jumping to conclusions.

The team is devoid of talent. That needs to be fixed as best they can within FAcy and the draft. It'll take time though. There isn't a magic bullet.

 

[Kdo5]

I've been patient. It's On Bob now. You're acting like it's been one month when really it's been 5 years.

Five years leading to Mayo hire? Ya bro, don't tell me how to feel about that.

It’s been one month since the most important change has been made.

 

[festy1986]

Wrong about what?

At this point I'm just supporting Mayo and his staff. We've yet to find out how they'll perform. I think they're doing a good job so far. Time will tell. I'm willing to wait instead of jumping to conclusions.

The team is devoid of talent. That needs to be fixed as best they can within FAcy and the draft. It'll take time though. There isn't a magic bullet.

Your post was clear. There is those of us who ***** about anything.

As opposed to just chiming in with our take on how we view it.

Youre choosing to be optimistic and that's cool.

My point is valid. Why is Mayo staff coming in at amateur hour?

This is gonna be a process and I'm not going to spend it cheerleading the moves just because.

It’s been one month since the most important change has been made.

It was a start.

There's no reason to say I like the moves if I don't. Any more than you would say you hate them if you don't.

 

[Patsgofor4]

Wrong about what?

At this point I'm just supporting Mayo and his staff. We've yet to find out how they'll perform. I think they're doing a good job so far. Time will tell. I'm willing to wait instead of jumping to conclusions.

The team is devoid of talent. That needs to be fixed as best they can within FAcy and the draft. It'll take time though. There isn't a magic bullet.

For once, we agree. I see a plan with the coaching staff so far. Will it work and are these the right coaches to execute his vision? No idea but Mayo deserves a chance to put his stamp on the coaching staff. Talk to me in November and I’ll give you my opinion about his choices.

 

[Grogan14]

Patriots and Commanders on January 7th were at about the same starting place.

Washington hired Peters as GM, Quinn as head Coach and Klingsbury as OC

Why did the Patriots take such a different approach? Is it $

I like Mayo as a person but 5 years ago he was working for Optum in business development

 

[venecol]

Patriots and Commanders on January 7th were at about the same starting place.

Washington hired Peters as GM, Quinn as head Coach and Klingsbury as OC

Why did the Patriots take such a different approach? Is it $

I like Mayo as a person but 5 years ago he was working for Optum in business development

Klingsbury is overrated. Losing records as HC in both college and NFL.

 

[UrbanCowboy]

I think is what it is as well. I it squarely on Kraft as to why coaches are hesitant to come here. I don’t think it’s a reflection on Mayo at all. He is well regarded and promising.

But you have two guys splitting the duties of a GM. That’s not ideal. It’s like they are trying to protect Groh’s feelings of being passed over. Announce Elliot Wolfe as GM and firmly establish the hierarchy. If that means Groh leaves down the road, so be it.

I’m relieved by the offensive coordinator hire. He is thought to be pretty competent and very well liked. I’m impressed by Wolfe and Mayo for getting someone outside to take the job given the uncertainty in the organization.

It's tricky of course. I have two people at work I really like for one position/promotion. They are complementary and work together well and having the two of them would be so much better. I'm trying to create a position to keep both. To your point, though, it might create some muddiness over "who's in charge," but I think I'll take that problem because the tandem would really be strong.

 

[upstater1]

It's possible that the Krafts are being judged as cheap because of the tightwad who just got fired. Prior to Bill the Krafts were more likely to spend on top players.

Between 1996 and 1999, 4 years, the Patriots did not bring in a single notable free agent above league minimum. Not one.

Willie Clay was their biggest signing at $1.5m dollars a year for 3 years. He got a 1.5m signing bonus.

This was at a time when the going rate for a good starting CB was $4m to $8m a year.

 

[ralmat55]

The salary cap in 1999 was $ 57,288,000. It was $224,800,000 in 2023. The salary cap has roughly quadrupled in that time. A $4 million salary for a top CB would be the same $16 million today which is about right.

NFL CBAs & Cap History

A look at the CBAs and history of the salary cap for each year of the NFL.

www.spotrac.com

Then, as now, the cap was tied to revenue. Still in Foxboro Stadium, the Patriots were at the bottom of the league in local revenue having just a handful of years earlier paid $ 187 million to buy the team and had committed $350 million to build Gillette Stadium without public money or PSLs which was the norm even back in those days.

Free agency was in it’s infancy. The Pats didn’t use it much or need to in those days. But, the Patriots still gave out top of the market contracts to Bledsoe, Armstrong and Coates on offense plus vastly overpaying the right side of their Oline in Todd Rucci and Max Lane. On defense, McGiniest, Milloy was paid top dollar, and if memory serves, Ty Law was the highest paid CB. The spending was so high; the first thing Bill had to do was to get the salary cap back in order.

You don’t have to hate the Krafts to love Bill. I know many of you are still crestfallen at Bill’s polite firing, but the league in a way rubber stamped it by the lack of interest in hiring Bill through this year’s head coaching musical chair period.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

IMO it’s because the lack of a GM / direction … someone held accountable. Players and agents don’t know who is running the show. I think they need to say Wolf is the GM.

Until that happens, RK is the GM. Love it or hate it, if there is an open upper level management position, the owner oversees the position until it is filled.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

If I had to guess, which is my only option, the lack of players is a good reason not to come here as a coach. You can't make chicken salad out of chicken **** and that's all Bill left us with.

BB left us with a good defense and the best cap space position of all 32 teams. Your BB hate is in almost every one of your posts.