Malcolm Butler sort of talks about his SB benching

[raduray]

Butler crying right before the game told us he just found out.

And had this happened in 2014 during the 10 year drought, I think Bob would've fired Bill. However, I blame the veterans on defense and Tom Brady for not stepping up while the team was getting scored on to put him in. The leaders of the team didn't show up.

How can you blame Brady and the offense? They scored just about every drive. It was on the defense that couldn't make a stop.

 

[imahobgoblin]

It is my opinion that Bill warned the team that the curfew and behavior had to be in line with his standards. Regardless of who broke them, there would be a penalty. Butler went out partying, got high, and got caught. Bill's ego decided to make a sacrificial lamb for the team for years to come and gambled on the win. The penalty should have been not starting or missing a quarter or half.

 

[patfanken]

Again doesn't answer my question why Bob would make up that it was something personal with Bill that kept Butler on the bench.

Also the record shows Brady won a Super Bowl without Bill and your hoodied hero has a .426 w-l record post Brady. That's absolutely pathetic.

Read it and weep.

totally inaccurate read of the facts. It's right up there with the MYTH that the Pats "let Brady go". That is NOT what happened. Not even close.

For the previous 4 years of that superbowl run. (3 superbowls and one AFCCG and a playoff berth) the Pats had completely sold out and were great over that period because of it. But the fact remained that by the end of the 2019 season that run was OVER.

The were DEEP in cap hell. They literally couldn't sign Brady without losing what few assets they already had. Keeping Brady would have meant him spending his final years struggling with a stripped down shadow of championship contender.

Just think about this. In 2020 the Pats paid their QB $1MM and were STILL in cap hell. How were they going to pay Brady $25MM and still field a contending team. Who else would have been cap casualties? There was no way that Brady was going to come back. Between his wife and the situation of the roster, in what world does Brady want to come back. He sold his MA home well before he left the team.

No Brady was out the door by his OWN volition, and it was the right decision ... for him. Brady's leaving was for a LOT of reasons, but the biggest one was the YEARS of constant paying forward of cap debt, that finally came due in 2020. No one "cheaped out". There was no conspiracy. It was simply Brady doing what was best for Brady and the Pats being stuck in a situation of their own making caused by a financial commitment to be great from 2014- 2019. A six year period of great play and fan enjoyment.

It lasted longer than most runs occur these days, but it ended. No one's fault. It's more like the nature of today's game. I never get why so many fans want to BLAME some one.

As for Butler: The very fact that we STILL don't know definitively why Butler sat tells me that HE wasn't the answer to the Pats issues in that superbowl. He was NOT ready to play regardless of the reasons. There is nothing in Bill's long history that would lead one to believe that he would keep a needed asset off the field for a personal reason which is what is always implied.

What IS known from Bill's history is that he DOESN'T throw his players under the bus and he hasn't with Butler. Butler did SOMETHING and Bill protected him by never telling us what. wasn't that Butler did something and Bill punished him. It was more like Butler did something which caused him to be physically able to play as well. It is the ONLY explanation that would explain why Butler would have come back to play here.

 

[signbabybrady]

totally inaccurate read of the facts. It's right up there with the MYTH that the Pats "let Brady go". That is NOT what happened. Not even close.

For the previous 4 years of that superbowl run. (3 superbowls and one AFCCG and a playoff berth) the Pats had completely sold out and were great over that period because of it. But the fact remained that by the end of the 2019 season that run was OVER.

The were DEEP in cap hell. They literally couldn't sign Brady without losing what few assets they already had. Keeping Brady would have meant him spending his final years struggling with a stripped down shadow of championship contender.

Just think about this. In 2020 the Pats paid their QB $1MM and were STILL in cap hell. How were they going to pay Brady $25MM and still field a contending team. Who else would have been cap casualties? There was no way that Brady was going to come back. Between his wife and the situation of the roster, in what world does Brady want to come back. He sold his MA home well before he left the team.

No Brady was out the door by his OWN volition, and it was the right decision ... for him. Brady's leaving was for a LOT of reasons, but the biggest one was the YEARS of constant paying forward of cap debt, that finally came due in 2020. No one "cheaped out". There was no conspiracy. It was simply Brady doing what was best for Brady and the Pats being stuck in a situation of their own making caused by a financial commitment to be great from 2014- 2019. A six year period of great play and fan enjoyment.

It lasted longer than most runs occur these days, but it ended. No one's fault. It's more like the nature of today's game. I never get why so many fans want to BLAME some one.

As for Butler: The very fact that we STILL don't know definitively why Butler sat tells me that HE wasn't the answer to the Pats issues in that superbowl. He was NOT ready to play regardless of the reasons. There is nothing in Bill's long history that would lead one to believe that he would keep a needed asset off the field for a personal reason which is what is always implied.

What IS known from Bill's history is that he DOESN'T throw his players under the bus and he hasn't with Butler. Butler did SOMETHING and Bill protected him by never telling us what. It is the ONLY explanation that would explain why Butler would have come back to play here.

 

[Vindicate]

Sure, I mean the Titans had one of the worst defensive backfields in the league, the Titans literally released Butler the first moment they could, he’d already been benched…. but yeah, it’s my imagination.

Titans won't demote Malcolm Butler despite struggles

Bleacher Report names CB Malcolm Butler the Titans' most overpaid player

Tennessee Titans cornerback Malcolm Butler made quite the turnaround toward the end of last season. But does he truly deserve the amount of money the team is paying him? Bleacher Report's Kristopher Knox doesn't think so. The analyst believes Butler's $61.25…

titanswire.usatoday.com

Tennessee Titans: Calling Malcolm Butler’s contract the worst is premature

Titans DB Malcolm Butler carries the league's 9th-highest cap hit among CBs. Bleacher Report's Brad Gagnon believes Butler's contract is Titans' worst.

titansized.com

IIRC they ran a scheme that didn't work to any of Butler's strengths.

 

[sb1]

totally inaccurate read of the facts. It's right up there with the MYTH that the Pats "let Brady go". That is NOT what happened. Not even close.

For the previous 4 years of that superbowl run. (3 superbowls and one AFCCG and a playoff berth) the Pats had completely sold out and were great over that period because of it. But the fact remained that by the end of the 2019 season that run was OVER.

The were DEEP in cap hell. They literally couldn't sign Brady without losing what few assets they already had. Keeping Brady would have meant him spending his final years struggling with a stripped down shadow of championship contender.

Just think about this. In 2020 the Pats paid their QB $1MM and were STILL in cap hell. How were they going to pay Brady $25MM and still field a contending team. Who else would have been cap casualties? There was no way that Brady was going to come back. Between his wife and the situation of the roster, in what world does Brady want to come back. He sold his MA home well before he left the team.

No Brady was out the door by his OWN volition, and it was the right decision ... for him. Brady's leaving was for a LOT of reasons, but the biggest one was the YEARS of constant paying forward of cap debt, that finally came due in 2020. No one "cheaped out". There was no conspiracy. It was simply Brady doing what was best for Brady and the Pats being stuck in a situation of their own making caused by a financial commitment to be great from 2014- 2019. A six year period of great play and fan enjoyment.

Except we know now that the Patriots window to keep Tom was closed well before the 2019 season started. In Man in the Arena Tom himself said he was done playing for Bill. The team didn't give him the years he wanted and per the Man in the Arena Bill even went to Kraft and said Tom couldn't play at a high level anymore. No BB didn't say Tom thanks for everything but we're moving on... but the message was sent.

And I'm only pointing out that Bill's record is lousy post Tom, which it is. And why wouldn't it be. BB's drafts were poor in recent years, he was never an offensive guy he was a defensive coach and the game moved on from that era. Without the greatest QB of all time the margin for error as a coach and GM is much bigger than it is with him to close that gap.

It lasted longer than most runs occur these days, but it ended. No one's fault. It's more like the nature of today's game. I never get why so many fans want to BLAME some one.

As for Butler: The very fact that we STILL don't know definitively why Butler sat tells me that HE wasn't the answer to the Pats issues in that superbowl. He was NOT ready to play regardless of the reasons. There is nothing in Bill's long history that would lead one to believe that he would keep a needed asset off the field for a personal reason which is what is always implied.

What IS known from Bill's history is that he DOESN'T throw his players under the bus and he hasn't with Butler. Butler did SOMETHING and Bill protected him by never telling us what. It is the ONLY explanation that would explain why Butler would have come back to play here.

That doesn't explain why Malcolm who again played all his teams snaps on defense that season up to then - was dressed instead of being a gameday inactive if he wasn't ready to play, nor does it explain why he got special teams snaps anyway, nor why the team didn't know why Butler was not on the field nor why Tom was frustrated postgame, Gronk musing about retirement and Amendola spouting off even to this day that he felt cheated out of a ring by Bill keeping Butler on the bench.

If Kraft says it was a non football reason and "something personal" then it wasn't a good enough reason. It's the Super Bowl and you play your best team. That didn't happen that night. He didn't need to be Deion Sanders in his prime he just needed to make one stop on 3rd down which guys like Richards couldn't get.

 

[signbabybrady]

Except we know now that the Patriots window to keep Tom was closed well before the 2019 season started. In Man in the Arena Tom himself said he was done playing for Bill. The team didn't give him the years he wanted and per the Man in the Arena Bill even went to Kraft and said Tom couldn't play at a high level anymore. No BB didn't say Tom thanks for everything but we're moving on... but the message was sent.

And I'm only pointing out that Bill's record is lousy post Tom, which it is. And why wouldn't it be. BB's drafts were poor in recent years, he was never an offensive guy he was a defensive coach and the game moved on from that era. Without the greatest QB of all time the margin for error as a coach and GM is much bigger than it is with him to close that gap.

That doesn't explain why Malcolm who again played all his teams snaps on defense that season up to then - was dressed instead of being a gameday inactive if he wasn't ready to play, nor does it explain why he got special teams snaps anyway, nor why the team didn't know why Butler was not on the field nor why Tom was frustrated postgame, Gronk musing about retirement and Amendola spouting off even to this day that he felt cheated out of a ring by Bill keeping Butler on the bench.

If Kraft says it was a non football reason and "something personal" then it wasn't a good enough reason. It's the Super Bowl and you play your best team. That didn't happen that night. He didn't need to be Deion Sanders in his prime he just needed to make one stop on 3rd down which guys like Richards couldn't get.

Doesn't your Bill hate belong in the Bill thread? You made the mods move the Butler talk here only to hijack another conversation with your rediculous Bill hate. Trolls gonna troll I guess. H8R.

 

[varjao]

I believe the fight with Steve got amplified many times, he was dressed for the game, if they went rolling on the locker room he wouldnt be on the bench or in uniforms or in the field at all. Maybe, who knows, over a discussion a finger in the face or that finger bump on the chest being mentioned as a "fight" and to be honest that's an offense to the honor in any country in this planet. I can respect more a punch over a finger point right in the face.

 

[sb1]

Doesn't your Bill hate belong in the Bill thread? You made the mods move the Butler talk here only to hijack another conversation with your rediculous Bill hate. Trolls gonna troll I guess. H8R.

 

[signbabybrady]

Crying again because you're a Jets fan I see.

 

[maust]

Doesn't your Bill hate belong in the Bill thread? You made the mods move the Butler talk here only to hijack another conversation with your rediculous Bill hate. Trolls gonna troll I guess. H8R.

Congrats, another discussion shot to hell by your combined infantile lack of restraint. You kids might benefit from a timeout

 

[sb1]

Congrats, another discussion shot to hell by your combined infantile lack of restraint. You kids might benefit from a timeout

My response was appropriate to the post and poster that I was replying to and that's the only one they get.

Or I could put them back on ignore again like before. Maybe that's a better option.

 

[203Pat]

This forum is getting tedious to read. Rehashing old debates that spill from thread to thread. Training camp can't get here soon enough.

 

[maust]

My response was appropriate...

BS it was. It's plain to see neither of you has the restraint or consideration for others God grants a toddler

 

[sb1]

BS it was. It's plain to see neither of you has the restraint or consideration for others God grants a toddler

Hard disagree. Either way my ignore list is +1 again, not a problem anymore.

 

[signbabybrady]

Congrats, another discussion shot to hell by your combined infantile lack of restraint. You kids might benefit from a timeout

I only respond to his nonsense I'm not the one starting it

 

[maust]

I only respond to his nonsense I'm not the one starting it

Your lack of common courtesy and self restraint are duly noted. It's taken 7+ years but I'm finally putting a regular poster on ignore. It's a singular accomplishment, not even Deus managed it

 

[Steve102]

This forum is getting tedious to read. Rehashing old debates that spill from thread to thread. Training camp can't get here soon enough.

 

[The Brandon Five]

IIRC they ran a scheme that didn't work to any of Butler's strengths.

They put DBs out there that had zero strengths.

 

[RobertWeathers]

They put DBs out there that had zero strengths.

That and no Jonathan Jones, Hightower, and Uncle Phil finally caught up with them. They were killed on the LoS...plus playing old man James Harrison 90% of the snaps also caught up with them.