Malcolm Butler Mega Thread

[lancerman]

Wow, good thing he traded away his $100 million quarterback so Brady would be his quarterback.

-Belichick had to convinced by his QB coach to draft Brady and keep Brady on the roster.
-In the 2001 off season virtually everyone thought Brady was the better QB and Belichick elected to start Bledsoe for the season because "he had experience".

Let's not make Belichick out be some infallible deity here.

 

[lancerman]

Strawman

He doesn't know what a strawman is. Might not be worth it

 

[tom444]

I know, right? How could the offense just not go ahead and be perfect when the defense gave up scores on the 80% of Eagles' possessions? All the O did was set records for the most total offense in a losing effort in NFL history (postseason or regular season). Obviously they knew the Eagles were going to score almost every time. I mean, it's not like we had our #2 corner standing right there to help us. What more could we do?

The 2017 Patriots and the '85 Bears.

 

[lancerman]

Yeah, like Bradys' never had to make a final drive before.

Doesn't matter. As a QB you should not have to make a final game winning drive after throwing for 500 yards, 3TD's not turning the ball over up to that point and putting 33 points on the board.

I don't think you get that Tom Brady just had one of the greatest Super Bowl performances of all time and certainly the best in a losing effort.

 

[lancerman]

I blame that completely on Belichick, I’ve never seen a coach miss so many tackles.

Blame Belichick for keeping one of the best tacklers on the team on the bench then.

 

[lancerman]

I think those who don’t believe in Bill Belichick after he has led them to 8 Super Bowl’s should find another team to root for, if for no other reason than they are too f.cking stupid to root for this one.


Don’t let the door hit you on the ass on your out.

I root for the Patriots and want the Patriots to win. I'm not going to play cheerleader and defense attorney for a coach who clearly didn't field the best possible defensive unit to win

 

[tom444]

Doesn't matter. As a QB you should not have to make a final game winning drive after throwing for 500 yards, 3TD's not turning the ball over up to that point and putting 33 points on the board.

I don't think you get that Tom Brady just had one of the greatest Super Bowl performances of all time and certainly the best in a losing effort.

Is that written somewhere?

 

[lancerman]

Is that written somewhere?

Yeah actually it is. Nobody in the history of this damn sport is going to fault a QB because 33 points and 500 yards wasn't enough to win the game.

What your basically saying is Brady is partially culpable because he failed to perform a two minute drill to make the lead 40.

 

[luuked]

If you think this will go away as easily as Milloy, you need to put down the pipe.

It will go away faster. When OTAs starts it will be the same as every year no matter if you won the SB or lost in the playoffs. The past is the past and we are on to 2018.

If someone doesn't have enough focus to do that he can be shipped out the pretty fast. And the machinery will roll onto another playoff run.

 

[Love The Drake]

Troll much?
Bledsoe had the contract and the love of the owner and brought the Pat's out of mediocrity you just can't bench him because the backup is playing great in camp.
The fact Belichick had the balls to keep Tom in then trade Bledoe in the division because it was the best haul.
Shows he will do the tough things.
Now let's be straight we we're screwed once Jonanathan Jones went out who's best to cover the quicker slot receivers?
Most of this board including me was criticizing Butler for being out of position and giving up big plays all season.
Combine that with bad unfocused practices late to scheduled meetings.
If their is a possibility of weed and you think BB was wrong to bench Butler?
Butler showed with these actions a very selfish and entitled positon and if you want him treated special vs repremanded by a military minded coach?
Then you should root for Tomlin Lewis and Carrol.
We lost because of 0 pass rush and botched snaps and holds.
Nothing more nothing less.

 

[chumpchange]

Doesn't matter. As a QB you should not have to make a final game winning drive after throwing for 500 yards, 3TD's not turning the ball over up to that point and putting 33 points on the board.

I don't think you get that Tom Brady just had one of the greatest Super Bowl performances of all time and certainly the best in a losing effort.

Tom, the losing quarterback, had a better performance (more yards, better QBR) than the winning quarterback and Super Bowl MPV.

 

[tom444]

Yeah actually it is. Nobody in the history of this damn sport is going to fault a QB because 33 points and 500 yards wasn't enough to win the game.

What your basically saying is Brady is partially culpable because he failed to perform a two minute drill to make the lead 40.

I didn't say anything of the kind. I said the blocking broke down, and that's not on the defense.

 

[lancerman]

Tom, the losing quarterback, had a better performance (more yards, better QBR) than the winning quarterback and Super Bowl MPV.

Tom Brady the losing QB who played in his 8th Super Bowl actually had his best statistical Super Bowl performance of his career. If his defense was half competent the game should have been a blowout.

 

[Huckleberry1]

-Belichick had to convinced by his QB coach to draft Brady and keep Brady on the roster.
-In the 2001 off season virtually everyone thought Brady was the better QB and Belichick elected to start Bledsoe for the season because "he had experience".

Let's not make Belichick out be some infallible deity here.

What a load of sh.t, I argued endlessly with Patriot fans who wanted Bledsoe over Brady.

And while nobody has claimed Belichick is slways right, other than possibly Andy Johnson, he’s by far and away the greatest coach in NFL history, and those of you who think he’s an average coach are morons, period.

 

[lancerman]

I didn't say anything of the kind. I said the blocking broke down, and that's not on the defense.

I didn't say anything of the kind. I said the blocking broke down, and that's not on the defense.

41 points is on the defense. If you want to hold the offense for the turnover, 38 points is on the defense.

No offense should have to go into the game needing to score more than 38 points to win a game.

 

[sieglo]

In years the DC and OC have been replaced here, there's been a two-year gap before another Super Bowl.

Well I guess this is Bill's opportunity to prove his coaching is up to snuff and it's not all Brady.

 

[luuked]

In the 2001 off season virtually everyone thought Brady was the better QB and Belichick elected to start Bledsoe for the season because "he had experience"

VIRTUALLY EVERYONE!!

lol cute piece of revisionist history

 

[tom444]

No offense should have to go into the game needing to score more than 38 points to win a game.

Where are you getting these rules?

If the opponent scores 39 points, you got to score more than 38.

 

[lancerman]

What a load of sh.t, I argued endlessly with Patriot fans who wanted Bledsoe over Brady.

And while nobody has claimed Belichick is slways right, other than possibly Andy Johnson, he’s by far and away the greatest coach in NFL history, and those of you who think he’s an average coach are morons, period.

Actually everything I said was well documented. It's well known that **** Rehbein championed Brady being drafted and being kept on the roster. It's also well documented that people were more impressed by Brady's performance in the 2001 off season than Bledsoe's and that Belichick made the call to go with Bledsoe because he felt he had experience.

So if you have a problem with that, you have a problem with reality.

And while Belichick deserves credit for being a great coach, no coach in his league ever accomplished what he accomplished without a great QB. And yes his record is poor to average without Brady.

So let's not have this discussion like he's some deity who is right every step of the way or mostly right. This was a clear mistake on his part. And this is something that years from now will be talked about as one of the worst moments of Belichick's career.

Yes this is all out the window if Butler did something ridiculous. But if it was that bad, then there's no justification for dressing him

 

[Huckleberry1]

Blame Belichick for keeping one of the best tacklers on the team on the bench then.

I’m blaming the defense as a whole, one player would not have changed that, it was a total unit failure. And unlike you I don’t believe Malcolm Butler would have been the “ game changer” in that game. In fact

Brace yourself for it

Here’s my first HAWWWT TAKE ever


Malcolm Butler will never be anything more than an average cornerback again.

And to provide a measuring tape I’ll say this

Malcolm Butler will never make a Pro Bowl again.