Malcolm Butler Mega Thread

[lancerman]

If you can’t see that Belichick deserves the blame and was severely out coached, then I can’t help you. He saved his worst for last. Maybe spend more time figuring out how to win instead of going to a ****ing Timberwolves game. I’ll never forgive him for that and benching Butler because of his own ego. He and Patricia lost this game, plain and simple, extremely obvious. No 2nd half adjustments (only offensively), no chances taken by the defense. Foles was NEVER touched. It was basically the same as the KC game. He thought that just by showing up, the other team would cower in fear of his greatness. His own ego helped him lose this game.

I don't know if I can blame Patricia. I really don't. He had the talent on his defensive roster wittled away at since he got there and he made miracles happen this year. Then he ran into a hyper talented offense where the gap in talent couldn't be equalized by his schemes.

The GM who decided it was okay to field a defense with this type of talent.... well I can question him

 

[SHOWTIME15]

This really highlights the main takeaway from that Parcells/Belichick documentary

Parcells was always better as a "big picture"/getting a feel for his players guys while Bill has always been the details guy. Obviously BB has proven to have the better career, but a guy like Parcells to tell BB "the **** are you doing? We're not benching Butler" would have been nice...

Bill is not a big picture guy at all. heck, any one of us know that benching butler would be a mistake.

 

[BradyFTW!]

Canton? Look I know he’s done things on the field that don’t show up in the statbook but I think pats ring of honor is Dmacs ceiling.

Yeah youryo probably right, at this point I don't really care about any of them, cause none of them did enough to prevent from 40 bring hung on them in the super bowl

 

[supafly]

Butler was told to come late because he was getting IV treatments back home.

Do we know that for a fact? The article certainly suggests otherwise.

“Butler came to Minneapolis a day late and apparently paid the price for it by only playing on special teams.”

I don’t know what the truth is, but the article seems to strongly insinuate that his benching was punishment for showing up a day late.

 

[Ras-IR Dowling]

Yeah youryo probably right, at this point I don't really care about any of them, cause none of them did enough to prevent from 40 bring hung on them in the super bowl

Even ty law is having trouble getting in which is rediculous btw.

 

[BradyFTW!]

Even ty law is having trouble getting in which is rediculous btw.

I think law will get in eventually, though I agree it's weapons grade ******** if he doesn't

 

[archstanton543]

-defense needed one stop against the Giants to seal the game and couldn't do it in both 07 and 11

That's not on BB. If Harrison jars the ball loose or whatshisname doesn't drop an easy INT they win. That's on those players not the coach. Sorry.

 

[scott99]

I don't know if I can blame Patricia. I really don't. He had the talent on his defensive roster wittled away at since he got there and he made miracles happen this year. Then he ran into a hyper talented offense where the gap in talent couldn't be equalized by his schemes.

The GM who decided it was okay to field a defense with this type of talent.... well I can question him

Patricia was given genius status when he turned this defense around this season. Last 12 games gave up under 14 points a game. Tennessee playoff game, 8 sacks and only 14 points. Jacksonville game, gave up 6 points in the 2nd half to keep the Jags close enough for the Pats to come back. Where was that defense ? Same players.

 

[PatriotsNumero1Fan]

Do we know that for a fact? The article certainly suggests otherwise.

“Butler came to Minneapolis a day late and apparently paid the price for it by only playing on special teams.”

I don’t know what the truth is, but the article seems to strongly insinuate that his benching was punishment for showing up a day late.

I would be pissed as well but let the guy play. He's gone after the season's over. Geez. Biggest game of the season.

 

[GorBelSer]

Do we know that for a fact? The article certainly suggests otherwise.

“Butler came to Minneapolis a day late and apparently paid the price for it by only playing on special teams.”

I don’t know what the truth is, but the article seems to strongly insinuate that his benching was punishment for showing up a day late.

Then it should have been meted out sometime before the national anthem. I mean, Rowe seemed genuinely clueless about why he was starting instead of Butler.

 

[PatriotsNumero1Fan]

Patricia was given genius status when he turned this defense around this season. Last 12 games gave up under 14 points a game. Tennessee playoff game, 8 sacks and only 14 points. Jacksonville game, gave up 6 points in the 2nd half to keep the Jags close enough for the Pats to come back. Where was that defense ? Same players.

We had butler in that game. The philly OL's very good but we had chances to get off the field on 3rd down and couldn't do it:

 

[lancerman]

Patricia was given genius status when he turned this defense around this season. Last 12 games gave up under 14 points a game. Tennessee playoff game, 8 sacks and only 14 points. Jacksonville game, gave up 6 points in the 2nd half to keep the Jags close enough for the Pats to come back. Where was that defense ? Same players.

They ran into the most deepest and most talented offense in the NFL and the talent difference was too great.

Foles played out of his mind. Blount. Ajayi. Algoholor, Ertz, Jeffries. Too many weapons that were high caliber and they couldn't keep them all contained. Plain and simple. There's no offense in the league this deep and this talented. Plain and simple. And Patricia's best schemes didn't matter because there was always at least one crucial mismatch a play.

That's not on Patricia. That's on whoever decided the defense could lack this much talent

 

[supafly]

If you can’t see that Belichick deserves the blame and was severely out coached, then I can’t help you. He saved his worst for last. Maybe spend more time figuring out how to win instead of going to a ****ing Timberwolves game. I’ll never forgive him for that and benching Butler because of his own ego. He and Patricia lost this game, plain and simple, extremely obvious. No 2nd half adjustments (only offensively), no chances taken by the defense. Foles was NEVER touched. It was basically the same as the KC game. He thought that just by showing up, the other team would cower in fear of his greatness. His own ego helped him lose this game.

I don’t think this is all about his ego or thinking that anyone would cower to his greatness, but for a guy who works endlessly up to 15+ hrs a day all year long, he sure picks the oddest time of the year during SB week to change his habits out of the blue.

All of a sudden he’s dressing for the cover of GQ, smiling, laughing, taking nights out on the town to take in basketball games, etc. Every time we hear about his confidence and his laid back demeanor, and yet all 8 SBs have been within one score with a +1 point differential coming in the first quarter and some really odd decisions coming in crunch time.

I wouldn’t want anyone else, without a doubt, but he doesn’t seem to be the same coach as the regular season. Our defense has given up 4th quarter leads in all of the losses and last night was the 6th time Brady was attempting a 4th quarter comeback. He’s most certainly not doing his best work in SBs.

 

[BradyFTW!]

No, I gave that as one possibility. The point is, YOU DON'T KNOW, and I'll trust the guy who's been coaching in the NFL for nearly 50 years and has SEVEN Super Bowl rings more than the people fly in here for a couple of years and are incredibly spoiled by success.

They chose not to play their second best corner. If you choose to believe it's a coincidence that they gave up 40 points then that's your call, but I'm not going to join you on that flight of fancy

 

[PatriotsNumero1Fan]

They ran into the most deepest and most talented offense in the NFL and the talent difference was too great.

Foles played out of his mind. Blount. Ajayi. Algoholor, Ertz, Jeffries. Too many weapons that were high caliber and they couldn't keep them all contained. Plain and simple. There's no offense in the league this deep and this talented. Plain and simple.

Foles likely will be a one hit wonder but what a big one. I still feel that this defense gets stops with butler playing. The whole coaching staff takes a bit fat F!

 

[supafly]

Then it should have been meted out sometime before the national anthem. I mean, Rowe seemed genuinely clueless about why he was starting instead of Butler.

I would be pissed as well but let the guy play. He's gone after the season's over. Geez. Biggest game of the season.

I agree. I’m just stating what I read from the article posted here from Bob George on the front page.

I think the choice to wait until the start of the game to reveal the news could have been an attempt to avoid a week’s worth of drama and distractions.

 

[chumpchange]

Bill is not a big picture guy at all. heck, any one of us know that benching butler would be a mistake.

Yes, and I'm pretty sure at this point, everybody in the country knows benching Butler and then casually letting the rest of the D know, "Hey, the guy you've played and practiced and built chemistry with all season? He's out. Hope y'all click with this other guy. Everybody processed this total, out-of-the-blue change and regained complete focus? Okay, great, time to line up for the coin toss in the most pressure-filled game you'll ever play" was a grave mistake. I'm seeing countless articles speculating on how/why Belichick could have done something so profoundly stupid, and not one peep in support of the decision.

 

[TennisBallHead]

*belch

Gotta play better gotta coach better. Do what's best for the football team.

 

[lancerman]

-defense needed one stop against the Giants to seal the game and couldn't do it in both 07 and 11

That's not on BB. If Harrison jars the ball loose or whatshisname doesn't drop an easy INT they win. That's on those players not the coach. Sorry.

And I'll agree that it was very lucky. At the end of the day, the person who is considered the greatest coach in the NFL who is supposed to be a defensive genius, needed one stop at the end of two games against Eli Manning and his defense couldn't do it either time. We can call it a lucky catch or whatever. At some point you have to say why do all these Belichick defenses either give up crucial points at the end of Super Bowls and force Brady to make a comeback or why does Brady lose leads or get on the verge of losing leads in all these Super Bowls.

Joe Montana's defenses gave up 21, 16, 16, 10. (average 16.5)
Brady's defenses gave up 17, 29, 21, 17, 21, 24, 28, 41 (average 24.75)

 

[archstanton543]

Patricia was given genius status when he turned this defense around this season. Last 12 games gave up under 14 points a game. Tennessee playoff game, 8 sacks and only 14 points. Jacksonville game, gave up 6 points in the 2nd half to keep the Jags close enough for the Pats to come back. Where was that defense ? Same players.

They were also played easier teams in the second half of the season. That helped immensely.