Patriots Rumor Malcolm Butler Mega Thread

[captain stone]

...I'm not going to start throwing out random guesses to see if you think the punishment fits. Let's just say that I think the story I was told was enough to warrant it...

And what story is that?

 

[RelocatedPatFan]

Just checking in.

Has anything been settled yet?

 

[captain stone]

He said Bill intentionally made the team weaker. That implies Bill knew Malcolm could help the team win but didn't play him anyway.

Are you implying BB put other players in even though he knew MB would give him a better chance of winning the SB?

That's Exactly what happened.

 

[captain stone]

He put the players out there that were the best ON THAT DAY

Glitch Richards & Jonny Badmostly are Not better than Malcolm Butler ON ANY DAY.

 

[captain stone]

Anybody think this argument will continue throughout the season?

I’m leaning towards yes.

This argument will continue until the NEP win another SB; and if they don't then it will continue until the end of time...as it should.

 

[chasa]

Everyone would have. Including myself.



Brady said he was fine. Malcolm said he wasn't.



There are plenty. Competitive advantage. Last minute assessment of Malcolm's health. Gameplan. Matchups. Some are plausible. Some are nonsensical. Some are potentially plain 'ole brain farts by BB.

Malcolm also said he would have been able to get a stop and save the game.

 

[Tony2046]

in what world does giving up 41 points on defense = "Almost worked" If not for having the #1 offense in the league this game would have been an absolute blowout. It was a huge slap in the face to every single member of the roster that a coach would Intentionally put out a weaker team.

Did they have a chance to win? Yes .

It's a complimentary game.

 

[captain stone]

4th and 13?

4th and 2?

The Safety?

Stork instead of Andrews?

How is any of that ego?

Because the Genius and his Ego thought that he could simply out-think the opponent into submission.

 

[Kontradiction]

BB has sat players who were less than 100% before and/or played them on a limited basis. I'm not rehashing every possible scenario. He played one snap and he said he wasn't 100%

If he wasn't 100% then why did he dress and play the ST snap? Why was he noticeably upset during the anthem? Surely he felt that he could go. He knew how he felt better than anyone and Butler must have felt healthy enough to contribute or else the tears would make zero sense. And there's no need to rehash every scenario. There has been quite a bit of history of players with zero prior knowledge of the system that were signed/traded for mid-week that went on to either start or log a generous portion of snaps that weekend. Butler, at the very least, knew the defense having spent years in the system. He should have been inserted after halftime at the latest.

 

[signbabybrady]

And what story is that?

It doesn't really matter until it's revealed publicly by an actual reporter it will just create further useless back and forth that I'm done getting in it over something I heard from someone on the team.

 

[RobertWeathers]

That's Exactly what happened.

please

 

[RobertWeathers]

Malcolm also said he would have been able to get a stop and save the game.

Would you expect him to say anything different? Hes a competitor. Of course he would say such a thing.

 

[Ras-IR Dowling]

Just checking in.

Has anything been settled yet?

 

[RobertWeathers]

If he wasn't 100% then why did he dress and play the ST snap? Why was he noticeably upset during the anthem? Surely he felt that he could go. He knew how he felt better than anyone and Butler must have felt healthy enough to contribute or else the tears would make zero sense. And there's no need to rehash every scenario. There has been quite a bit of history of players with zero prior knowledge of the system that were signed/traded for mid-week that went on to either start or log a generous portion of snaps that weekend. Butler, at the very least, knew the defense having spent years in the system. He should have been inserted after halftime at the latest.

Who knows.

 

[captain stone]

Malcolm also said he would have been able to get a stop and save the game.

Would you expect him to say anything different? Hes a competitor. Of course he would say such a thing.

I wouldn't, because it's true.

 

[IllegalContact]

someone remind me

who the f*ck is Malcolm Butler?

 

[Ras-IR Dowling]

Anybody think this argument will continue throughout the season?

I’m leaning towards yes.

 

[signbabybrady]

The results of the game and how the game played out certainly do determine right or wrong here. Unless you want to make a case that team “discipline” should be priority number one and not fielding your best players to win the Super Bowl.

I don't think you can field your best team without team discipline. Otherwise it's anarchy. The bigger the stage the more critical this becomes.

You haven’t actually justified anything at all. You’ve tossed out rumors from a source that are shaky at best when everything is taken into consideration and now you’re assuming that it was a behavioral issue when the only thing we know is that it was because Butler was sick in the lead up to the game. That said, neither a behavioral issue nor Butler’s illness in the lead up to the game excuses the action (or inaction) when you take into account that Butler dressed, played on ST, and then got signed to a very lucrative deal by a team with which Belichick has a close working relationship. The only thing you’ve done here is fall back on some variation of IBBIT which has gotten taken apart thoroughly in this thread.

I wasn't even considering my sources story when I said that. Your basically blaming your brother for ratting you out to mom and ignoring that you actually did something wrong. Only difference is in my hypothetical BB would be both your brother and mom who punishes you. But point is you despite not knowing all the facts you can either choose to believe BB was warranted or you can be an ass about it.

This is an exceptionally flimsy straw man in that I’ve never claimed that I’m not a fan of either. My allegiance is to the laundry first and them second. In that regard, it’s why it’s easy for me to point out mistakes by either while still rooting for them in the end. Another problem in this forum is that either A) people have become fans of the men before the laundry over time or B) people were never fans of the team and just latched onto them because their admired either Belichick or Brady. Because of that, people such as yourself can’t logically compute that being critical of something like this =/= no longer being a fan of the coach. That’s why, when this team hits the skids, the first people to bolt and never be heard from around here again will be those people.



This is another flimsy straw man. I believe Belichick thought that the reason was warranted. He wouldn’t have made the call otherwise. The problem is... he was wrong. The results of the incorrect decision he made on top of a failure to reconsider at halftime resulted in a 41 point output by the opponent and the Patriots being in the locker room as the confetti fell on the Eagles in spite of a all time great performance by the offense.

Straw man whatever you want to call it but it must suck to be in your shoes if your favorite team had people in such high power that you don't believe capable of making good sound and warranted decisions at the biggest moment.

 

[Tony2046]

If he wasn't 100% then why did he dress and play the ST snap? Why was he noticeably upset during the anthem? Surely he felt that he could go. He knew how he felt better than anyone and Butler must have felt healthy enough to contribute or else the tears would make zero sense. And there's no need to rehash every scenario. There has been quite a bit of history of players with zero prior knowledge of the system that were signed/traded for mid-week that went on to either start or log a generous portion of snaps that weekend. Butler, at the very least, knew the defense having spent years in the system. He should have been inserted after halftime at the latest.

In case of injury.

 

[Palm Beach Pats Fan]

Just checking in.

Has anything been settled yet?

There were some good points back on page 80-something, then some good followups in the 140s, more details in the 220 area, then things went into a lull in the early 300s.