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CLICK HERE to Register for a free account and login for a smoother ad-free experience. It's easy, and only takes a few moments.Hey all. First off let me say obviously I'm happy we won. The game plan that Bill and the staff came up with worked and we got the W. So when I ask this don't come back at me with a BS "Well, it worked!" take. I know it worked, that's not the point. The point is I feel this game was in doubt way too close too its end.
That said, what do you think of the way Mac was (or rather, wasn't) used on Monday night in Buffalo? I'm not a fan of it. Now don't get me wrong I'm not saying he should have been slinging it all over the place, and I understand the strategy of not taking risk when we have the lead, but the Bills were one play away from winning this game and I don't think it needed to be that close. The biggest issue for me with him not throwing at all is that it allowed Buffalo to T up on our runners and make moving the ball on the ground much more difficult than it needed to be. It's a credit to our O-Line, Harry's blocking (We won't mention that other thing he did) and our backs that we were able to move the ball, but it would have been nice to see it mixed up just a little bit to keep the defense honest and stop us from being one dimensional.
The risk vs. reward thing can be mitigated. You could have had Mac throw all his passes low, toward the receiver's feet so that only they could have made the catch. You could have done short passes, passes behind the LOS and only when we had the wind at our backs. We also could have done other things to mix it up like use some wildcat formation It just really irks me that Bill didn't trust Mac enough to let him do those things. And if it's an experience thing why not put Hoyer in there? I thought that Mac was making progress this season and that Bill trusted him and this just seemed to bring it to a screeching halt. Do we all think if we had Brady still he would have been used the same way?
Anyway, we've got the bye week so we need something to argue about. So I thought I'd give us this.
What a stud, completing a full *two-thirds* of his passes in those conditions
He didn't play to win against Philly by letting Butler rot on the bench when his secondary was getting shredded.You play to win the game but I have always felt BB protect his players. It is why Ghost was not allowed to attempt a long FG in the SB as a rookie. If he did not have to put Mac in that situation he was not going to do it. I also feel he trusts who he trusts. In 2009, he did not trusts the defense to stop Indy. In 2021, his faith is in the D.
Do you think that with the same circumstances they would have thrown only 3 passes with Brady? In my mind, their gameplan was to throw a little but I think the pass to Smith may have scared them.We were in the lead all game long and we were getting production on the ground. There was no need to throw it. BB always plays the percentages and that's just what he did there. If the situation had called for it, they would have thrown it 50 times.
Yep. No style points in the NFL, just wins and losses. People looking for stats and style points remind me of Colts fans in the Manning era.Stats are for losers.
NE 14 - BUF 10
Do you think that with the same circumstances they would have thrown only 3 passes with Brady? In my mind, their gameplan was to throw a little but I think the pass to Smith may have scared them.
Because Butler hurt Patricia's feelings or something. Will always SMH at that one.He didn't play to win against Philly by letting Butler rot on the bench when his secondary was getting shredded.
I am not sure that is true, because that never happened. Its not like it never got windy in foxboro before.same game circumstances in 2001, you would have seen similar IF the patriots coaching staff had enough resolve to stick to it, yes
Yeah dont think he made much adjustment. lol It was Mac hand off left handoff right. The bills were in 9 man fronts begging the pats to pass.Not an expert (or remotely close) on Xs and Os, so perhaps someone could answer this. How much would Mac (or any QB) be involved in a run focussed game? Is the QB making adjustments based on the defence etc to give his runner the best chance of making yards?
That might be true but BB is also always thinking about long term. He may not have won the battle, but he is winning the war. He’s a big fan of Sun Tzu.He didn't play to win against Philly by letting Butler rot on the bench when his secondary was getting shredded.
they heavily protected tom in the early years.....my gut is, given similar circumstances, you'd have gotten similar result.....last night was a perfect storm of circumstances (pun intended) that allowed for record low pass attempts.....but one thing to consider, this coaching staff has matured greatly in 20 years....the fact that they had the stones/resolve to stick to that gameplan last night was impressiveI am not sure that is true, because that never happened. Its not like it never got windy in foxboro before.
It was the last game of the year win or lose. There is no "long term" when you're in the championship game.That might be true but BB is also always thinking about long term. He may not have won the battle, but he is winning the war. He’s a big fan of Sun Tzu.
Umm how did they protect him exactly? Again you are guessing on something that never happened based on nothing. lol. Oh they would have because ummm...yeah...There was never a game they had brady go out there hand off 50 times. I am not even sure why Brady is even brought up here. Brady and Mac are different QB's, people need to be ok with that and stop acting like they are and do the same things.they heavily protected tom in the early years.....my gut is, given similar circumstances, you'd have gotten similar result.....last night was a perfect storm of circumstances (pun intended) that allowed for record low pass attempts.....but one thing to consider, this coaching staff has matured greatly in 20 years....the fact that they had the stones/resolve to stick to that gameplan last night was impressive
It’s not about the game. It’s sending a message to your team.It was the last game of the year win or lose. There is no "long term" when you're in the championship game.
I think BB made it clear in his press conferences that it was *not* the game plan to never pass, but rather it was how they responded to the game situation and conditions. They decided they didn't need to take risks passing in the windy conditions because they were winning running the ball effectively and shutting down Buffalo's offense. Of course they would have passed if they had fallen behind and they had plans how to do so.they heavily protected tom in the early years.....my gut is, given similar circumstances, you'd have gotten similar result.....last night was a perfect storm of circumstances (pun intended) that allowed for record low pass attempts.....but one thing to consider, this coaching staff has matured greatly in 20 years....the fact that they had the stones/resolve to stick to that gameplan last night was impressive