Mac Not Happy With the Groceries

[upstater1]

You act as if there are no good players after the top 10.

Majority of good players come after those picks. And a lot end up better than top 10 guys.

Kansas City built a great roster drafting while they were making the playoffs with Alex Smith. It's a pure myth that you can't build a great team with lower draft picks.

You're the one that used the Jets as a good example, not me.

The Patriots hit on players in the top half of the draft.

5 out of 6, and that's counting Mac.

You used the Jets as an example, and I just showed you that they are horrible at picking. 3 out of 8. And that's with most of those guys getting taken in the top 6, not even top 15 like the Patriots.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Did you watch the 2018 team. They looked mediocre until Gronk finally got bank to form and even then the offense was anemic in the Super Bowl. Yeah taking Gronk out of the picture and banging up Edelman effected alot the next year

They went on their run when they stopped thinking they were a passing team and focused on the run. This is what McDaniels had said after that year.

They held a top 10 offensive team of all-time to 3 points.

That Rams team was not a "top 10" offensive team of all time. They had a nice year, but they weren't that good. Gurley also had no knees by that game which the offense ran through.

 

[upstater1]

What's that have to do with trading Gronk away? We don't win that Superbowl or even get there without him against KC and the Rams.

We scored 13 that game. Gronk threatening to retire if Bill traded him with no backup plan brought us another chip

You're sure they don't score 6 points without Gronk?

 

[RIpats88]

You're the one that used the Jets as a good example, not me.

The Patriots hit on players in the top half of the draft.

5 out of 6, and that's counting Mac.

You used the Jets as an example, and I just showed you that they are horrible at picking. 3 out of 8. And that's with most of those guys getting taken in the top 6, not even top 15 like the Patriots.

Who in the last 6 years have they hit on?

 

[RIpats88]

You're sure they don't score 6 points without Gronk?

No use arguing anymore if you think patriots are going into KC and beating them with Edelman and no one else.

And then are beating the rams.

We barely won both games and Gronk was a huge part of it. Then he retired because he was done with bills BS

 

[PATS16N0]

Imagine if Bill traded Gronk to Detroit in 2018 like he wanted to?

Bye bye Superbowl

The fact that he even tried to do this is a multifaceted example of how bizarre he is. I’m not exactly what adjective I’d use here, but to try and ship out our greatest weapon, and ALL-TIME Patriot fanbase favorite, the greatest TE to ever play still in the window of his prime, and TOM BRADY’S BOY.

That attempted trade has just always reeked of being a TOTAL ****

 

[Rob0729]

I criticized Brown for missing on the stunt which is the 1st video.

I didn't mention a stunt when discussing the 3rd video which is the play we're focusing on.

Ok, I still don't see how Brown is not at fault for the last video. It is clear he is position to at least slow down Granderson and does little to nothing.

Correct me if I am wrong, but you seem to feel that he couldn't stay with Granderson the entire play, but that doesn't excuse him for not at least trying to slow him down.

 

[Steve102]

I think there is just a serious leadership problem on this roster. Mac is not a leader. These stories to the media are not what you want to see associated with your QB. Pair poor performance with bad leadership and it's a recipe for the disaster we see on the field. And I think there's a lack of leadership on the rest of the roster as well. Judon was one of few and he's out rehabbing now.

 

[upstater1]

They went on their run when they stopped thinking they were a passing team and focused on the run. This is what McDaniels had said after that year.

That Rams team was not a "top 10" offensive team of all time. They had a nice year, but they weren't that good.

Just checked. Corrected. They were 11th all time. But that's only if you include the AFL Raiders in 1967. If you go by NFL only, they were 10th all-time in 2018.

 

[upstater1]

Ok, I still don't see how Brown is not at fault for the last video. It is clear he is position to at least slow down Granderson and does little to nothing.

Correct me if I am wrong, but you seem to feel that he couldn't stay with Granderson the entire play, but that doesn't excuse him for not at least trying to slow him down.

I see him trying, but not being able to. He moves back, then continues downfield, until Granderson blows by him. As always, he is setting up to protect against the cut back inside.

 

[slifersd]

He is not wrong. Mac Jones is not the kind of QB that you can just throw him mediocre talent and he can elevate them to elite status, like Brady/Mahomes. He needs to be surrounded with elite talent in order to win games, like Miami and SF are doing with Tua and Purdy. If you drafted him expecting him to make Parker/Juju into stars, you are wrong with your evaluation.

That being said, there are obvious things Mac can and should do better. He does not have the mental toughness of a Brady and it is getting him into further trouble on and off the field. Frankly, he seems a little spoiled to me and doesn't have that grind to improve every year. Brady didn't have a ton more natural talent than him coming into the league, but the man worked hard every year to improve. Mac hasn't improved at all since his rookie season and that's on him

This marriage is falling apart because of both sides, not just one. Unfortunately, both sides should probably move on at this point and start over.

 

[upstater1]

No use arguing anymore if you think patriots are going into KC and beating them with Edelman and no one else.

And then are beating the rams.

We barely won both games and Gronk was a huge part of it. Then he retired because he was done with bills BS

Barely? We had the Rams in total control. Just because the offense only managed 13 points doesn't mean the Rams weren't totally throttled.

There are defensive games that look much closer than they actually are. Just like the 2004 Super Bowl. The Patriots were in total command. The 3 point difference was just a mirage.

 

[upstater1]

Did you watch the 2018 team. They looked mediocre until Gronk finally got bank to form and even then the offense was anemic in the Super Bowl. Yeah taking Gronk out of the picture and banging up Edelman effected alot the next year

No, you're the only human alive who watches football. That's why the NFL makes so much money on advertising

 

[Steve102]

The fact that he even tried to do this is a multifaceted example of how bizarre he is. I’m not exactly what adjective I’d use here, but to try and ship out our greatest weapon, and ALL-TIME Patriot fanbase favorite, the greatest TE to ever play still in the window of his prime, and TOM BRADY’S BOY.

That attempted trade has just always reeked of being a TOTAL ****

Let's not pretend that Gronk was a poster child that off-season. He was almost daring them to ship him out of town, especially with his motocross presser. Eventually cooler heads prevailed, but it wasn't before they called his agent in for a meeting. I am willing to bet there was a lot of behind the scenes BS that went on that wasn't reported.

 

[Rob0729]

I see him trying, but not being able to. He moves back, then continues downfield, until Granderson blows by him. As always, he is setting up to protect against the cut back inside.

I see a poor effort Brown's part. And the other plays show he was going at half speed for at least parts of the game. So he gets no benefits of the doubt.

 

[1960Pats]

I think he would really want to return to his first love the NY Giants most of all if he could and I think the feeling is probably mutual with Mara. Not sure how they feel about Daboll right now or how feasible that move would be.

Good point. Daboll hasn't been on the hot seat but could be now. Any other potential suitors? If it helps I'll give them a call and tell them what a genius Bill has been.

 

[upstater1]

Don't get me wrong I'm not defending him but is he this bad? I mean all QBs gave bad games but this is horrible like he's forgetting how to play QB. I think it's mental. Compounded with no higher end talent. He's a big problem Compounded by organizational roster mismanagement

When people were hopeful after 1 or 2 games, I was already despondent.

I see a rebuild rather than mismanagement. people think it's horribly wrong to take a CB or DE over a WR but I don't, not if the players are blue chippers. Do I agree that we haven't drafted well enough to have a #1 WR? Yes. But it's not very easy, unless you're willing to endure a lot of busts. As for the OL, we've expended a helluva lot of draft picks there with Strange, Onwenu, Mafi, Sow, Andrews and even Hines. I don't think we're as bad off as people make it out to be. We need a RT, but there was no one in free agency to help us there, and Broderick Jones was not worth it over Gonzalez.

 

[upstater1]

Who in the last 6 years have they hit on?

Why are we talking in circles?

I posted that with the #5 pick as an asset, we could manuever our way to a QB this offseason. You responded that we would only trade down. I countered.

I was talking about top picks. I've shown the Jets have blown them badly. We haven't picked as highly as the Jets in eoons, and we haven't had those opportunities.

There's a lot of young talent on the Patriots who joined the team in the last 5 years who would be counted as "hits" by any other team, whether we're talking about Onwenu, Barmore, Dugger, Gonzalez, the 2 Joneses, and potentially Keion White. We'll see about Douglas and Bouttee and the 3 rookie OL. We don't know yet.

 

[PATS16N0]

What a legend.

 

[Real fan 02]

They held a top 10 offensive team of all-time to 3 points.

Agreed, as I've said it all ends how it starts.. 1st superbowl was a defensive masterpiece, last superbowl was one as well. BBs coaching career as HC started out loosing, ending loosing.