Mac Jones Through 2 Games (2021 vs 2022 vs 2023) By QTR and Redzone Totals

[Ian]

mac does nothing to make anyone around him better. until he proves otherwise, the only thing we can count on are slow starts and failed fourth quarter comebacks with him under center.

The bolded part just isn’t realistic at this stage of his career. Only one guy had that ability, and we know who it is. The problem is you only need to look around the league to realize that young guys like Mac need guys who can make plays in key situations.

I know we’ve had discussions about Meyers, but the amount they leaned on him on third down was significant - he led the team in that category by a massive margin the last couple of years. I didn’t realize how much until I looked closer at it.

They need someone to be the guy who can make a play in a “gotta have it” moment. They just don’t have that person the way some of these other guys do. But you’re talking about Mac like he’s a 10yr journeyman and people are trying to prop him up. He’s a third year guy who has made progress and obviously, he’ll need to finally have some big moments at some point. But he’s not exactly a lost cause.

I just worry that they don’t have a guy who he can turn to in order to make those plays. Mike Reiss went so far earlier this week as to say, “I think they’re in trouble,” for that reason, among others. I’m worried he may indeed be right.

 

[Pape]

The bolded part just isn’t realistic at this stage of his career. Only one guy had that ability, and we know who it is. The problem is you only need to look around the league to realize that young guys like Mac need guys who can make plays in key situations.

I know we’ve had discussions about Meyers, but the amount they leaned on him on third down was significant - he led the team in that category by a massive margin the last couple of years. I didn’t realize how much until I looked closer at it.

They need someone to be the guy who can make a play in a “gotta have it” moment. They just don’t have that person the way some of these other guys do. But you’re talking about Mac like he’s a 10yr journeyman and people are trying to prop him up. He’s a third year guy who has made progress and obviously, he’ll need to finally have some big moments at some point. But he’s not exactly a lost cause.

I just worry that they don’t have a guy who he can turn to in order to make those plays. Mike Reiss went so far earlier this week as to say, “I think he’s in trouble,” for that reason, among others. I’m worried he may indeed be right.

when you see a young qb play, and there is a dynamic element to their game, you know it... for me, i have never seen or sensed that in Macs game... its that dynamic element that helps quarterbacks elevate the play of other players...

big mistake not bringing meyers back. i made that point about his third down conversions in the past... he was the driving force in the offense by a large margin... didnt matter if he was a true "1" he was a chain mover...

it might not seem like it - but i don't hate Mac. He can be a good quarterback. but i dont think mac will ever be a great quarterback.

 

[sb1]

I remember for years falling into the trap that Drew Bledsoe would be elite if only we could pass protect better. Bledsoe would be elite if we got him better weapons. If, if, if, if, then Bledsoe would stop taking bad sacks and throwing stupid INT's.

We were bullshitting ourselves back then. Bledsoe just was not a very good mental QB. He had most of the physical tools, but upstairs was lacking. Bledsoe, for all his faults, showed more in his first 2+ years than Mac has.

I haven't thrown in the towel on Mac. Yet. I want to see how he progresses this entire season. However, I am also not going to fall into the Bledsoe excuse making trap.

Now that you mention it…the line Mac Made the Pro Bowl as a Rookie might be the new He’s Tall and Has a Strong Arm (TM) from back in the day

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

How can they be skewed? It’s the exact same sample size based on the exact two games (the first two) over the previous two seasons…?

I’m so confused

Skewed/cherry picked whatever you want to call it. Mac’s red zone stats are up (7 attempts) due to circumstances and small sample pool. His overall stats are very poor. The red zone stats, and any small outliers, will always regress to the mean.

 

[Ian]

Skewed/cherry picked whatever you want to call it. Mac’s red zone stats are up (7 attempts) due to circumstances and small sample pool. His overall stats are very poor. The red zone stats, and any small outliers, will always regress to the mean.

I picked his total stats over these two games in all three seasons. I mean…I didn’t cherry pick anything. It’s not like these are vague stats to make an argument…?

Again, these are just season totals over the exact same span and I was curious to see if he’s been better under O’Brien than Patricia in Q2 and Q4. So far, he has been. The fact he’s off to a better start than even his rookie year over the same span was what was surprising.

But the totals just are what they are. They’re not manipulated. Definitely don’t understand that at all.

 

[Malua]

I’ve seen few posters in Macs defence mentioned Boutte incomplete and blame him for missed opportunity.
This is just reminder what happens before that 4th and 11. Our QB in 3 snaps gained -1 yard

 

[Nehalem]

Posted this a few minutes ago on Twitter and figured I'd share it here:


Mac Jones Through 2 Games (2021 vs 2022 vs 2023)
Totals (By QTR)
and RedZone)

2021: Total: 51/69 (73.9%) 467yds 1 TD
Q1: 14/15 (93.3%) 106yds
Q2: 17/25 (68%) 169yds 1TD
Q3: 10/14 (71.4%) 138yds
Q4: 10/15 (66.7%) 54yds
Redzone 3/6 (50%) 13yds 1TD

2022: Total: 42/65 (64.6%) 465yds 2TDs 2INTs
Q1: 11/16 (68.8%) 102yds 2 INTs
Q2: 8/13 (61.5%) 128yds 1 TD
Q3: 14/19 (73.7%) 123yds 1TD
Q4: 9/17 (52.9%) 112yds
Redzone 3/5 (60%) 13yds 1TD

2023: Total: 66/96 (68.8%) 547yds 4TDs 2INTs
Q1: 11/16 (68.8%) 67yds 1 INT
Q2: 20/26 (76.9%) 170yds 2 TDs
Q3: 10/16 (62.5%) 68yds 1 INT
Q4: 25/38 (65.8%) 242yds 2 TDs
Redzone: 5/7 (71.4%) 56yds 4TDs

He's actually off to his best start in his three seasons, statistically.

so what stands out to me is that he sucks in Q1 and Q3.

Then throws a lot in Q4 and puts up good looking stats in loses.

Honestly That seems really bad to me. He seems like he feasts on defenses playing soft when the opponent has the lead, but sucks otherwise.

 

[Ian]

it might not seem like it - but i don't hate Mac. He can be a good quarterback. but i dont think mac will ever be a great quarterback.

Fair enough. I don't know if he'll be great either. I'm hoping for good or very good and I'll be pleased if great becomes a thing. Still 15 more of these to go to see how the story goes for this year. Should be fun based on how angry people seem to be already. Just hoping the landscape will at least look a little different a month from now.

 

[Ian]

Skewed/cherry picked whatever you want to call it. Mac’s red zone stats are up (7 attempts) due to circumstances and small sample pool. His overall stats are very poor. The red zone stats, and any small outliers, will always regress to the mean.

I mean, I’ll also do the same thing at various points as the year goes on. Maybe he gets better, maybe he doesn’t. But this was just looking at what he’s done so far relative to the last two years.

 

[Patsfan1958]

 

[Ian]

so what stands out to me is that he sucks in Q1 and Q3.

“Sucks” I guess in the sense he hasn’t thrown any TD passes. Although I’d say Q1 wouldn’t qualify for “sucks.” Third quarter, I would agree, not ideal and certainly is the outlier compared to the previous two years.

 

[MrBigglesWorth]

And doesn't play offense in the first half. Let's see in the next three games if they can actually score more than 14 points in the first half and go into half with a lead. I think they play catch-up with Dallas and the saints. Might do it with the jets

Mac doesn't play d

 

[MrBigglesWorth]

This thread. I appreciate what @Ian is trying to do with the original post, but the guys that hate Mac Jones aren't gonna bend. Like @Rob0729 said, it's like arguing politics. These guys will hate on him until he's run out of town. If they are lucky enough to win, that group will say it will be in spite of Mac. If they don't, then their anger with the team not winning will have another scapegoat.

It's to the point that there really isn't anything to discuss. Ian posts stats, people shoot 'em down.

Let's just go based on points. Show me first half scoring versus second half. Last year the defense scored a bunch of points. Don't really care about 500 five yard passes for completions. And Macs not the only one to blame.. their run offense is worst than last year

 

[Ian]

None of these totals I posted are hidden, BTW. I did these stats pages both to make my life easier (other sites make it harder) and for people here as well.

So everyone can pull totals from all three years in the slideout menu on the left for any games you like

 

[JarOfMayo51]

i would still sleep with mac jones

 

[PWRxWLF]

**** oline, **** results in the running game, **** luck with receiver availability. Things have been downright ****ty for Mac. He hasn’t been perfect. I’m not going to sit here and try to convince anyone he’s been an all-pro but he hasn’t exactly had a lot working in his favor either. Hell, I’m proud of him for not having an emotional outburst on field so far.

 

[BennyBledsoe]

After what happened to him in just his SECOND year, it's hard for me to view this as anything but Rookie Year the Second. I can't imagine how relieved Jones is to just have somebody even MILDLY competent running the offense.

 

[Rob0729]

average ... High / Low

we dont have to, no. thats true, but im glad we can

If it is the average and he has been under pressure for like 40% of his throws, that means there aren’t a lot of deep drops.

Here is video of some of Jones good pocket awareness vs the Eagles where he either manipulated the pocket or stood in there to make the throw right before he got hit.



Here is video of a play where Mac has great pocket awareness, scrambles out of the pocket and directs his receiver to get in the right position to make a pass,




And here is Mac Jones seeing the defender immediately and scrambling right to get a TD. And no it wasn’t a designed scramble.



And here is some video of defenders getting on top of Jones right away with the pocket collapsed leaving him no pocket to be aware of.





Why don't you post some video of all the plays where Jones had poor pocket awareness.

 

[Pape]

i dont tweeter, so this is what i could find after soending less then half a second on youtube

and that eagles game, the one where hw shows great pocket awareness - did we win?

oh and how many times was he sacked in the last 3 minutes of that game?

I swear living thru the Mac Jones years are like re-living the tony Eason years...

 

[Triumph]

Again, I don’t know what the end game here is. If Mac is out, someone else will be in with a new set of issues and ways he’s not going to measure up to the last guy.

This type of reasoning is living scared.

You might/probably get someone worse, so keep what you have. The end game is to win by having consistent, competent QB performance. Basically, the QB should do his job.

For your own sanity, you’ll enjoy the ride a little more (or be able to tolerate it) with lowered expectations. Because if you keep getting frustrated over the fact whoever doesn’t bring the team back or has some good moments but isn’t close to as good as the last guy, you’re going to potentially be in for some disappointing - potentially - decades.

The Pats need to draft QBs until they hit on a guy.

These once in a generation guys don’t appear very often. The odds of landing another top 5 guy who won’t annoy you aren’t good. We’d all love one, but beyond that, pretty good is about what we can hope for with hopefully some great mixed in.

I am not expecting another great QB. A decent QB will do.

Using the 2 extremes to plead the court to keep Jones is flawed. I have not seen anyone here ask for or expect another Brady. All accusations of this kind do is portray people holding Jones up to unreasonable HOF standards. Pointing at a QB worse than the Pats does not suddenly make Jones better.

Not denying he still needs to pull off some of the latter, but he’s not as poor as you’re making him out to be. It could be far worse. It sucks that we’re at that point, but all you have to do is look around the league to realize that.

Eventually, you run out of people to blame. We are not there yet by any means.