LSU's Woods and Syracuse's Arthur Jones better than Odrick?

[SanAngeloState]

Alas poor Odrick, I knew him, Horatio.

What is so great about Odrick? He's also from veritable bust-ville, PSU.

I think those two guys will be better at holding the point.

And the great thing is, of course, that they can be had much cheaper than a 1st round pick.

 

[upstater1]

What was wrong with the other thread on Odrick?

 

[SanAngeloState]

What was wrong with the other thread on Odrick?

It was kind of dead. I wanted to posit my new, insightful commentary.

I did mean for this to go in the draft thread though.

 

[WhiZa]

Add in Lamarr Houston and you may have a case. Jones is athletic but it didn't turn into production. Woods is a big man, but really couldn't utilize it fully on the field.

 

[miDeuce]

I think someone reaches for Odrick in the teens. Not sure he's even worth 22.

BEST AVAILABLE PLAYMAKER AT 22... WR, TE, OLB/DE, even CB. We need difference makers.

 

[patsfan-1982]

im a big fan of arthur jones, and i think he may even have more. up side then Odrick, but Odrick. is a day one starter for the next 10 years.



ill be happy with sergio kindle, in the first and and jones in the 2th

 

[DW Toys]

im a big fan of arthur jones, and i think he may even have more. up side then Odrick, but Odrick. is a day one starter for the next 10 years.



ill be happy with sergio kindle, in the first and and jones in the 2th

How about Ray Edwards in the first and Haynesworth or Brandon Marshall in the second?
Which group of players will help the Pats be better in 2010 from day 1, Kindle and Jones or either of my ideas which are IMO?
Mine cost more but are NFL ready, still young and limited chance of a bust.
DW Toys

 

[patsfan-1982]

How about Ray Edwards in the first and Haynesworth or Brandon Marshall in the second?
Which group of players will help the Pats be better in 2010 from day 1, Kindle and Jones or either of my ideas which are IMO?
Mine cost more but are NFL ready, still young and limited chance of a bust.
DW Toys

sure 3 all pro players will help a lot more then 2 rookies. will the pats give out the over 20 million to sign dose 3 guys vs the 6 or less million to get the rookies. im not sure they will.

 

[DaBruinz]

Alas poor Odrick, I knew him, Horatio.

What is so great about Odrick? He's also from veritable bust-ville, PSU.

I think those two guys will be better at holding the point.

And the great thing is, of course, that they can be had much cheaper than a 1st round pick.

Why is it that you continue your garbage rant about PSU. It was proven to you that the idea that PSU provides only busts was a figment of your imagination. Yet you continue to post it.

You can think that Jones and Woods will be "better at holding the point" but what proof do you have? I know Ochmed mentioned that Odrick didn't have a great game against LSU. But he still managed to have a 16 yard sack.

Yes, it is about value. But where the Patriots list the value is something you and I will never know.

 

[Coach42]

How about Ray Edwards in the first and Haynesworth or Brandon Marshall in the second?
Which group of players will help the Pats be better in 2010 from day 1, Kindle and Jones or either of my ideas which are IMO?
Mine cost more but are NFL ready, still young and limited chance of a bust.
DW Toys

Wow you are relentless. I'll take a shot at answering your question, I'll start with Edwards. First off he is going to cost a pretty penny, 11 NFL sacks are not cheap and with Mankins and Brady looming I would rather not sink a sizable chunk of change into an unknown. Projecting Edwards as an OLB in a 3-4 is the same as drafting a player except a hundred times more expensive. On top of that Edwards plays on arguably the best defensive line in football and is the beneficiary of all the attention the Williams wall and Allen get. He consistently goes against teams weaker tackle one on one. Having said all that I still think he is a good player, he would simply cost too much.

Haynesworth is not young. He too is another projection, he has never played in a 3-4 and one of the reported reasons he is being shopped is because he doesn't want to play in a 3-4. However, it was said that the Pats were interested in him when he came out of school and his contract is not as bad as people think. I just don't see the point in spending more money for project.

Marshall, fantastic talent who is a reported jerk. He couldn't handle McDaniels system, which is essentially the Patriots system, so why spend a bundle of cash on him when he has shown he can't handle that style of management???

Any of these could work out just fine or completely blow up in their faces, same as a draft pick except WAY WAY more expensive.

 

[dryheat44]

Actually, in my final sort, I do have Jones right ahead of Odrick, Woods a bit behind him. My only concern was Jones was his injury, and 30 reps on the bench with those long arms of his tells me his pectoral injury is going to be just fine. Don't forget Jones was a likely first round pick if he came out last year, in an admittedly weaker draft.

 

[stevedogc]

Add in Lamarr Houston and you may have a case. Jones is athletic but it didn't turn into production. Woods is a big man, but really couldn't utilize it fully on the field.

Jones college stats: 44 games, 145 takles, 38.5 TFL, 6.5 sacks
Odricks college stats: 46 games, 104 tackles, 25.5 TFL, 14.5 sacks

I'd say Jones was as productive as Odrick. And from what Ive read, Jones was double teamed alot.

 

[dryheat44]

Jones college stats: 44 games, 145 takles, 38.5 TFL, 6.5 sacks
Odricks college stats: 46 games, 104 tackles, 25.5 TFL, 14.5 sacks

I'd say Jones was as productive as Odrick. And from what Ive read, Jones was double teamed alot.

To qualify a bit, Jones sophomore and junior seasons were very productive. He senior season less so, and missed about half the year with injuries. He was double teamed virtually every play on the interior.

Most of Odrick's stats were accumulated his senior year. He played with much better talent around him. There's good and bad that goes with that.

 

[stevedogc]

To qualify a bit, Jones sophomore and junior seasons were very productive. He senior season less so, and missed about half the year with injuries. He was double teamed virtually every play on the interior.

Most of Odrick's stats were accumulated his senior year. He played with much better talent around him. There's good and bad that goes with that.

but then you have to account fro what it will cost the Pats to attain each player. Odrick, the 22nd. Jones, a late 2nd at best. With a trade down probably a 3rd. The thing I like about Jones is that he has been decribed as a player who never gets knocked around or psuhed of the line. He is a former wrestler, and his biggest assest is how he uses his leverage and his hands. I cant see any DE the Pats could get who could be a constant threat to sack the QB. Id take a DE who can get constant penatration. Which is a term that has been used to describe Jones.

 

[SanAngeloState]

Why is it that you continue your garbage rant about PSU. It was proven to you that the idea that PSU provides only busts was a figment of your imagination. Yet you continue to post it.

You can think that Jones and Woods will be "better at holding the point" but what proof do you have? I know Ochmed mentioned that Odrick didn't have a great game against LSU. But he still managed to have a 16 yard sack.

Yes, it is about value. But where the Patriots list the value is something you and I will never know.

Pretty sure this is the first time I "ranted" about PSU guys being busts. Didn't think it was really arguable. Someone did post a list of PSU guys and there were a FEW on there who weren't busts. It was in reponse to someone else's post though, not mine. The few times I've seen Odrick, I haven't seen much from him. I'm more impressed with Jones.

 

[dryheat44]

but then you have to account fro what it will cost the Pats to attain each player. Odrick, the 22nd. Jones, a late 2nd at best. With a trade down probably a 3rd. The thing I like about Jones is that he has been decribed as a player who never gets knocked around or psuhed of the line. He is a former wrestler, and his biggest assest is how he uses his leverage and his hands. I cant see any DE the Pats could get who could be a constant threat to sack the QB. Id take a DE who can get constant penatration. Which is a term that has been used to describe Jones.

Jones is also a team-captain, high character, pillar of the community type. I don't want to short Odrick...he might be too, I just don't know.

 

[Seneschal2]

My apologies to those who don't want to hear it, but it is about VALUE.

The #22 may have more trade value than keeping the pick and selecting Odrick, or another player may be valued higher than Odrick. Either way, there are now and will be on draft day -- other DE options outside of round one.

Woods and Jones are certainly two to consider, and I'd also throw Carrington into the mix as well. Corey Peters is a name to look for much later on.

 

[captain stone]

I'm with DryHeat on the Arthur Jones bandwagon. I'm not a fan at all of Al Woods, who didn't do squat until his contract year. I like Alualu, Carrington, LaMarr Houston, Austen Lane & CJ Wilson much better than Woods.

 

[Ochmed Jones]

Woods is not on my Patriots type draft board.

Jones is on my must be cleared by the doctors medical questions board.

However if 100% healthy, I would have Jones on my Patriots type draft board.

 

[Marqui]

Linval Joseph is also a better option than Odrick.