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[Ring 6]

Agree, Not Gronk/WR as a Randy Moss would and decoy was probably too strong a word but if Wright comes out of the gate, Opposing teams will take notice if TB is lighting him up. Its just another thing for them to plan around.

I don't really agree here. I think there are a few players in the league that draw special attenton and schemes. Tim Wright isn't one of them. Gronk is.
Guy like Wright are either covered by the man on them in man coverage or by whoever's zone he goes into. No one is assigned to 'watch out for Wright'.
I don't think a team will change its game plan or scheme against us because of Tim wright, who may be the 8th most fearsome receiving weapon on the roster.

 

[Rob0729]

I don't really agree here. I think there are a few players in the league that draw special attenton and schemes. Tim Wright isn't one of them. Gronk is.
Guy like Wright are either covered by the man on them in man coverage or by whoever's zone he goes into. No one is assigned to 'watch out for Wright'.
I don't think a team will change its game plan or scheme against us because of Tim wright, who may be the 8th most fearsome receiving weapon on the roster.

He won't command special attention, but he will certainly benefit from the special attention that Gronk and Edelman will get. When they run a two TE set, he will get favorable match ups. That is why I think he could be another Woodhead and be a significant impact player right away.

 

[Bruins29]

I don't really agree here. I think there are a few players in the league that draw special attenton and schemes. Tim Wright isn't one of them. Gronk is.
Guy like Wright are either covered by the man on them in man coverage or by whoever's zone he goes into. No one is assigned to 'watch out for Wright'.
I don't think a team will change its game plan or scheme against us because of Tim wright, who may be the 8th most fearsome receiving weapon on the roster.

Andy, I may not be articulating properly. I would never think HE would be a game plan guy. What I meant is that if he has learned the playbook, running his routes, known as someone who could be a factor, earning TBs trust and getting reps and targets, and making the occasional big play, that would be the type of contribution that would be the part in the smooth oiled machine. Especially if he allows the pats to mix it up with multiple looks from having 2 legit starting TEs or a guy who can flank.

My point, complementary pieces and pure numbers are necessarily mutually exclusive.

He could flame out here, he could get injured, he could also take what he did in Tampa and improve to AH numbers or beyond. The groundwork is certainly there for him to become a probowl player.

If that makes sense.

 

[condon84]

See even in your response to claim you are objective, you show your lack of objectivity. "Sure, Wright could have a very good year just like it is possible for Brady or Edelman to double the single season TD record or Ridley to get 50% more than the rushing record."

Do you even see how un-objective you are? Why not admit you think there is no way possible that Wright has a good year and shed the illusion of you trying to be objective?

It's called sarcasm Drax. And no, you can't catch it as it goes over your head.

My expectations for Wright is low (less than 30 receptions). Your expectations is high (60 receptions?). We'll come back and see who's assessment was closer to the truth at the end of the season.

 

[Ring 6]

Andy, I may not be articulating properly. I would never think HE would be a game plan guy. What I meant is that if he has learned the playbook, running his routes, known as someone who could be a factor, earning TBs trust and getting reps and targets, and making the occasional big play, that would be the type of contribution that would be the part in the smooth oiled machine. Especially if he allows the pats to mix it up with multiple looks from having 2 legit starting TEs or a guy who can flank.

My point, complementary pieces and pure numbers are necessarily mutually exclusive.

He could flame out here, he could get injured, he could also take what he did in Tampa and improve to AH numbers or beyond. The groundwork is certainly there for him to become a probowl player.

If that makes sense.

We will see. At this point, I see him as a guy who can be a bit piece, and of course any NFL player can evolve into more than he is today. I just think people are overreacting and thinking we are back to Gronk-Hernandez based offense with Wright being the non-murdering version.

 

[Bruins29]

Maybe being a murder helps with production? Has anyone done a study on that?

 

[Rob0729]

It's called sarcasm Drax. And no, you can't catch it as it goes over your head.

My expectations for Wright is low (less than 30 receptions). Your expectations is high (60 receptions?). We'll come back and see who's assessment was closer to the truth at the end of the season.

My expectations is 40-70 receptions. Unfortunately you cannot comprehend that until we know how he is going to be used that it is hard to pin point a number. But it seems fairly clear the Pats plan to use him quite a bit.

 

[Ring 6]

My expectations is 40-70 receptions. Unfortunately you cannot comprehend that until we know how he is going to be used that it is hard to pin point a number. But it seems fairly clear the Pats plan to use him quite a bit.

Can you explain why it seems fairly clear?

 

[condon84]

My expectations is 40-70 receptions. Unfortunately you cannot comprehend that until we know how he is going to be used that it is hard to pin point a number. But it seems fairly clear the Pats plan to use him quite a bit.

How the hell do you know that they'll use him quite a bit? Why is it hard to pin point a guess? It's not like we're installing a new offense, don't have history to judge how a new player coming into the system does their first year, etc. I told your why I think he's gonna have a decline in his production this year. Tell me why you think he's gonna produce whatever production you think he'll have this year. Don't be a coward.

Here I'll make it easy for you and put it in bullet points why I think his production will decline this year and the # of receptions he'll have and you can do the same

• No OTA reps with Brady
• No training camp reps with Brady
• No preseason reps with Brady
• Does not have Brady's trust
• Is going to be behind a solid group of receivers who Brady already trust

Number of receptions = 25.

Give me your theory on why he's gonna produce what you think he's gonna produce and at the end of the year, we'll revisit this thread.

 

[Rob0729]

Can you explain why it seems fairly clear?

Fauria and Graham. Graham and Watson. Gronk and Herandez. In case you haven't been paying attention, Belichick comes from a philosophy of extensive use of two TEs on the field at the same time.

Plus Ian Rappaport reported that his sources says the Pats are really high on the guy.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

Ian Rappaport reported that his sources says the Pats are really high on the guy.

Who besides me foresees a 2 game suspension from Herr Goodell for BB based on this?

 

[Rob0729]

How the hell do you know that they'll use him quite a bit? Why is it hard to pin point a guess? It's not like we're installing a new offense, don't have history to judge how a new player coming into the system does their first year, etc. I told your why I think he's gonna have a decline in his production this year. Tell me why you think he's gonna produce whatever production you think he'll have this year. Don't be a coward.

Here I'll make it easy for you and put it in bullet points why I think his production will decline this year and the # of receptions he'll have and you can do the same

• No OTA reps with Brady
• No training camp reps with Brady
• No preseason reps with Brady
• Does not have Brady's trust
• Is going to be behind a solid group of receivers who Brady already trust

Number of receptions = 25.

Give me your theory on why he's gonna produce what you think he's gonna produce and at the end of the year, we'll revisit this thread.

I have given the reason why I think he is going to produce throughout this thread. I don't have time to repeat myself. Just go back and read my posts.

And I am not going to give a hard number because there are too many variables that we don't know and many of them are not anything directly related to him. We don't even know what the starting offensive personnel is going to be.

 

[Ring 6]

Fauria and Graham. Graham and Watson. Gronk and Herandez.

First basing the usage of any random player at a position based on other past players at the position is an enormous stretch.
Second:
Fauria and Graham played together for 4 seasons and averaged a COMBINED 44 catches per season,.
Watson and Graham played together TWO, and they averaged a combined 58.

In case you haven't been paying attention,

Is that comment really necessary?

Belichick comes from a philosophy of extensive use of two TEs on the field at the same time.

Sometimes he does, and sometimes he does not. Hooman is a very different type of player than Wright, and it is not clear yet who will have a bigger role, based on their very different strengths and weaknesses.

Plus Ian Rappaport reported that his sources says the Pats are really high on the guy.

An out of town reporter, who didn't exactly have his finger on the pulse when he was here, telling us what the front office of the Pats is thinking is something you consider reliable?

We have no way yet of knowing how Wright is going to be used. I assume the coaching staff will be evaluating him for weeks before they even know.

 

[rochrist]

I don't really agree here. I think there are a few players in the league that draw special attenton and schemes. Tim Wright isn't one of them. Gronk is.
Guy like Wright are either covered by the man on them in man coverage or by whoever's zone he goes into. No one is assigned to 'watch out for Wright'.
I don't think a team will change its game plan or scheme against us because of Tim wright, who may be the 8th most fearsome receiving weapon on the roster.

Then I expect he'll catch a lot of balls this year.

 

[rochrist]

How the hell do you know that they'll use him quite a bit? Why is it hard to pin point a guess? It's not like we're installing a new offense, don't have history to judge how a new player coming into the system does their first year, etc. I told your why I think he's gonna have a decline in his production this year. Tell me why you think he's gonna produce whatever production you think he'll have this year. Don't be a coward.

Here I'll make it easy for you and put it in bullet points why I think his production will decline this year and the # of receptions he'll have and you can do the same

• No OTA reps with Brady
• No training camp reps with Brady
• No preseason reps with Brady
• Does not have Brady's trust
• Is going to be behind a solid group of receivers who Brady already trust

Number of receptions = 25.

Give me your theory on why he's gonna produce what you think he's gonna produce and at the end of the year, we'll revisit this thread.

Here's mine: They threw him out there for ~45 snaps last night when he'd barely gotten off the plane. I think they want to work him in as quickly as possible.

 

[Ring 6]

Then I expect he'll catch a lot of balls this year.

I would expect
Gronk
Edelman
Amendola
Vereen
Dobson
to catch more
and would think the odds are better than average that Lafell will also.
Thompkins will depend on playing time.
If somewhere from 6th to 8th on the team in receptions is a lot, then I would agree with you.

 

[Ring 6]

Here's mine: They threw him out there for ~45 snaps last night when he'd barely gotten off the plane. I think they want to work him in as quickly as possible.

I didn't understand why anyone was surprised by that.
The only purpose of the game was to prepare players for the regular season, and he was the one player who needed the most preparation.

 

[Rob0729]

First basing the usage of any random player at a position based on other past players at the position is an enormous stretch.
Second:
Fauria and Graham played together for 4 seasons and averaged a COMBINED 44 catches per season,.
Watson and Graham played together TWO, and they averaged a combined 58.


Is that comment really necessary?


Sometimes he does, and sometimes he does not. Hooman is a very different type of player than Wright, and it is not clear yet who will have a bigger role, based on their very different strengths and weaknesses.


An out of town reporter, who didn't exactly have his finger on the pulse when he was here, telling us what the front office of the Pats is thinking is something you consider reliable?

We have no way yet of knowing how Wright is going to be used. I assume the coaching staff will be evaluating him for weeks before they even know.

Fauria and Graham played in a different era before the offensive explosion.

And Belichick is a Perkins disciple who's offense is predicated on the two TE sets.

Rappaport is pretty connected with the Pats and them being high on Wright isn't exactly something that the Pats would be guarded about like Gronk's status for week one.

With Belichick being tight with Schiano, I am sure he knows what he has with Wright. But he didn't have a target the first two weeks of the season last year and he is only one of five TEs in NFL history to catch 50 balls and over 500 as a rookie. So even if they have a few weeks testing out period, he could have north of 50 balls.

The first play of the game last night was a pass intended for Wright although Garoppolo under threw it and he played 50% of the snaps last night on his second day on the team. That tells me that Belichick and McDaniels want to fast track him to get up to speed to contribute.

 

[condon84]

I have given the reason why I think he is going to produce throughout this thread. I don't have time to repeat myself. Just go back and read my posts.

And I am not going to give a hard number because there are too many variables that we don't know and many of them are not anything directly related to him. We don't even know what the starting offensive personnel is going to be.

In other words, you don't really have no other reason other than, "hey he's a Pat, how dare he get's criticised".

Man up, type a few bullet points we can concretely go back to when the season is over, and predict a hard number. I did it. It takes a minute since you already have a theory. Don't be a coward.

 

[rochrist]

In other words, you don't really have no other reason other than, "hey he's a Pat, how dare he get's criticised".

Man up, type a few bullet points we can concretely go back to when the season is over, and predict a hard number. I did it. It takes a minute since you already have a theory. Don't be a coward.

heh. Just saw a chat with Tedy Bruschi where he said it wouldn't surprise him if Wright caught 70 balls.