Likely Receiving core: What do you think?

[Kontradiction]

Sure, anything is possible when it coems to adding more picks. It might also be that the Pats need to use their current picks in order to fill other need spots.

As for Ebert and a draft pick comparison ... even if you watch college ball, you have no clue how said college guys skills will translate into the NFL nor do you have any idea how that compares to Ebert today, 1 year experienced in the NFL.

No, but I can make a pretty educated guess when comparing them to a 7th rounder that couldn't even so much as sniff the morning dew coming off the blades of grass on Sunday mornings.

 

[belichick010405]

In that case, it's time to draft not one but two wideouts.

If you say so. I am all for drafting two 7th round draft picks at wide receiver namely Courtney Gardner and Brice Butler.

 

[Deus Irae]

You can't plan for injury contingencies in this league. The roster limitations and sal cap simply don't allow for it...

What are you talking about? Of course you can plan for injury in the NFL. That's what teams do, and that's why they have 53 man rosters instead of just twenty something man rosters.

 

[JackBauer]

If you say so. I am all for drafting two 7th round draft picks at wide receiver namely Courtney Gardner and Brice Butler.

Considering you're touting that approach while advocating we take a LB at 29, I'm gonna go ahead and respectfully disagree.

 

[Bobs My Uncle]

No, but I can make a pretty educated guess when comparing them to a 7th rounder that couldn't even so much as sniff the morning dew coming off the blades of grass on Sunday mornings.

How would your educated guess compare the college kids to an UDFA like, say, Wes Welker?

 

[Bobs My Uncle]

What are you talking about? Of course you can plan for injury in the NFL. That's what teams do, and that's why they have 53 man rosters instead of just twenty something man rosters.

Teams plan for quality depth in case of non performance not because of predicting injuries.

 

[Kontradiction]

How would your educated guess compare the college kids to an UDFA like, say, Wes Welker?

Not sure how this is at all relevant. But you're more than welcome to compile a list of all time great UDFA's and compare them to all time great WR's that were actually selected in the early going. Further, which UDFA's are catching your eye this season?

 

[belichick010405]

Considering you're touting that approach while advocating we take a LB at 29, I'm gonna go ahead and respectfully disagree.

That is fine....But before you disregard Gardner and Butler, here they are:

Brice Butler, WR, San Diego State, NFL Draft - CBSSports.com - NFLDraftScout.com

Courtney Gardner - Yahoo! Sports

 

[Coach42]

Teams plan for quality depth in case of non performance not because of predicting injuries.

Um I call BS.

 

[Coach42]

That is fine....But before you disregard Gardner and Butler, here they are:

Brice Butler, WR, San Diego State, NFL Draft - CBSSports.com - NFLDraftScout.com

Courtney Gardner - Yahoo! Sports

I think he's not disregarding those players just saying the position needs to be addressed more urgently than the 7th round.

 

[Kontradiction]

Teams plan for quality depth in case of non performance not because of predicting injuries.

You've got to be kidding me with that. You'd honestly do better to just admit that you were wrong and move on.

 

[Deus Irae]

Teams plan for quality depth in case of non performance not because of predicting injuries.

:bricks:

It’s inevitable, you expect injuries. You build them into your plan, into your budget, into your backups on the depth chart. You figure you’ll get a report the next day with a few names, nothing of concern and nothing that will hold you back as you move forward to Week 2.

2012 NFL Preseason - Week 1: Injuries in the making | TheFootballEducator.com

 

[Bobs My Uncle]

Not sure how this is at all relevant. But you're more than welcome to compile a list of all time great UDFA's and compare them to all time great WR's that were actually selected in the early going. Further, which UDFA's are catching your eye this season?

My point is it may not be relevant that Ebert (or any late/non drafted player) couldn't sniff anything as a collegiate player if they have been in the NFL for a year or more.

 

[Kontradiction]

My point is it may not be relevant that Ebert (or any late/non drafted player) couldn't sniff anything as a collegiate player if they have been in the NFL for a year or more.

First of all, I'm not quite sure what you're saying here. Secondly, by the logic that you were using when trying to argue against us taking a WR early because of Ebert, Bethel Johnson would have been a safer bet than Calvin Johnson.

But back on topic. WR is still very much a need, regardless of what happens with Sanders and Lloyd.

 

[Bobs My Uncle]

:bricks:



2012 NFL Preseason - Week 1: Injuries in the making | TheFootballEducator.com

If the Pats "planned" for injuries then they'd have backups who are as good as starters named Solder, Gronk, Hern, Ballard, Talib, and Amendola because these guys have shown themselves to be injury risks.

Obviouslym the Pats can't plan for this. No team can predict what players might be injured and ensure that you have as capable a backup behind should they become injured. Instead, they invest their available cap $ towards manning positions that have less certainly of being filled by competent starters.

 

[Bobs My Uncle]

First of all, I'm not quite sure what you're saying here. Secondly, by the logic that you were using when trying to argue against us taking a WR early because of Ebert, Bethel Johnson would have been a safer bet than Calvin Johnson.

But back on topic. WR is still very much a need, regardless of what happens with Sanders and Lloyd.

Yeah, it can get confusing when quotes get reduced.

Back to my post #185 with emphasis bolded.

Working under the presumption that Sanders ends up here then draft picks are few and far between. If a wideout doesn't come via picks 1 or 2, then it might not come at all during the draft. And if it does, I'm sure not expecting much contribution from the guy. In fact, I'd feel more confident that the Ebert kid could contribute sooner.

 

[Deus Irae]

If the Pats "planned" for injuries then they'd have backups who are as good as starters named Solder, Gronk, Hern, Ballard, Talib, and Amendola because these guys have shown themselves to be injury risks.

Obviouslym the Pats can't plan for this. No team can predict what players might be injured and ensure that you have as capable a backup behind should they become injured. Instead, they invest their available cap $ towards manning positions that have less certainly of being filled by competent starters.

I just quoted a former NFL GM plainly stating that teams plan for injuries. You're wrong. That's just the way it is.

First rule of holes......

 

[JackBauer]

If the Pats "planned" for injuries then they'd have backups who are as good as starters named Solder, Gronk, Hern, Ballard, Talib, and Amendola because these guys have shown themselves to be injury risks.

Obviouslym the Pats can't plan for this. No team can predict what players might be injured and ensure that you have as capable a backup behind should they become injured. Instead, they invest their available cap $ towards manning positions that have less certainly of being filled by competent starters.

First rule of holes...

Planning for injuries does NOT mean your backups are as good as your starters. It means you have backups that are as close in quality to your starters (so that when the latter get injured, the former can step in with the minimum decline in performance) as is financially practicable.

 

[Bobs My Uncle]

I just quoted a former NFL GM plainly stating that teams plan for injuries. You're wrong. That's just the way it is.

First rule of holes......

So then the Pata are screwed ....... because they have to have a contingency plan for not just Amendola (and Sanders too should he be signed) but also for Vollmer, Gronk, Hern, Ballard, Talib, Jones, Mankins, etc because they have been injured previosuly and "may" get injured again.

Obviously, the Pats aren't planning for these guys to get injured again. Nor should, or can they. They are planning on having a contingency in place should the marginal starters not work out.

 

[JackBauer]

So then the Pata are screwed ....... because they have to have a contingency plan for not just Amendola (and Sanders too should he be signed) but also for Vollmer, Gronk, Hern, Ballard, Talib, Jones, Mankins, etc because they have been injured previosuly and "may" get injured again.

Obviously, the Pats aren't planning for these guys to get injured again. Nor should, or can they. They are planning on having a contingency in place should the marginal starters not work out.

You're taking this to ridiculous heights now. Just stop, for the love of God.