LenDale White

[VrabelMayeWin]

OK so this is the first time this has happened in his career.

Did you see the quotes from an unamed USC (or ex USC I forget) player at the pro day ? Saying that this is what White is. He coasts in practice, coasts in games. He said White could be special but never tries hard enough.

 

[Digger44]

Did you see the quotes from an unamed USC (or ex USC I forget) player at the pro day ? Saying that this is what White is. He coasts in practice, coasts in games. He said White could be special but never tries hard enough.

Come on BF, "An unamed source"? Give me a break. That is media trash, not news. There is no evidence and if there is going to be credibility, they need to do better than that. It could have been the USC water boy who has a crush on White and can't get any. This is nothing but speculation and rumor. There is no evidence. His career says otherwise. Why hasn't Pete Carrol ever said anything?

 

[Digger44]

I think a lot of it had to do with his combine performance...

Despite being bigger than Reggie Bush, Bush outlifted him...

Then he had some social interaction issues at one of these NFL Scouting mixers...

I am not sure all the bad rap on LenDale is justified, but he does seem to be digging a little hole for himself...

ADPF

Maybe he hasn't sold himself wisely, however the media is digging the hol and putting him 6 feet under.

 

[VrabelMayeWin]

Why hasn't Pete Carrol ever said anything?

Does Pete Carrol ever say anything negative ?

 

[Digger44]

Does Pete Carrol ever say anything negative ?

If he had trouble with a player the state of California would have known about it like yesterday. We are talking about the most dominant teams I have seen and one of their studs has been a lazy, unmotivated guy for the last four years, but Pete was able to keep it a secret? It doesn't make sense. BTW, I am not saying that White isn't fat right now. I am not saying he has done a fine job packaging himself. I am saying that he had a solid college career and the last two months can't be his future gage. 1 month on Atkins and he will be back to weight. Maybe, just maybe he has a legit hammy issue and keeps hurting it trying to get back in shape. Not a totally bad idea to shut down and let it heal. Bad timing with the combine and the draft.

 

[VrabelMayeWin]

If he had trouble with a player the state of California would have known about it like yesterday. We are talking about the most dominant teams I have seen and one of their studs has been a lazy, unmotivated guy for the last four years, but Pete was able to keep it a secret? It doesn't make sense. BTW, I am not saying that White isn't fat right now. I am not saying he has done a fine job packaging himself. I am saying that he had a solid college career and the last two months can't be his future gage. 1 month on Atkins and he will be back to weight. Maybe, just maybe he has a legit hammy issue and keeps hurting it trying to get back in shape. Not a totally bad idea to shut down and let it heal. Bad timing with the combine and the draft.

I think you're giving him too much credit. If he has a bad hammy, why isn't he working on his upper body - instead of having scouts at the combine saying he needs a bra ? Obviously I cannot say for sure what his work ethic is like but at this time there's too much negativity to think it's all bad luck.

 

[Digger44]

I think you're giving him too much credit. If he has a bad hammy, why isn't he working on his upper body - instead of having scouts at the combine saying he needs a bra ? Obviously I cannot say for sure what his work ethic is like but at this time there's too much negativity to think it's all bad luck.

Good questions that need to be answered, however how to you go from #5 draft pick to the toilet overnite? I give him the credit he earned through USC and the Rose Bowl. I believe he is that player. The offseason is a tough time for these guys. Has White ever dissapointed on the football feild? That is where is matters the most. While the combine is helpful to get a feel for a guy's abilities, it is not a shadow of what his career will be like. So many illustrations positive and negative. I have no problems spending a late 1st rounder on him, but I felt that way even when he was a #5. Heck, why draft White when you can have the same back in TJ Duckett for a 3-4th pick in a trade?

 

[Mainefan]

What I find odd is that many mock drafts have us picking Lendale White at 21, among them Huddle. Why have they come to this conclusion when it seems pretty clear to most of us that BB won't take an RB at 21 and if he did, White wouldn't be the guy. Do the mock-makers know something we don't?

 

[ilduce06410]

wow

Did you see the quotes from an unamed USC (or ex USC I forget) player at the pro day ? Saying that this is what White is. He coasts in practice, coasts in games. He said White could be special but never tries hard enough.

IMO coaches give only so much weight to combine performencces, on field and in interviews. entirely possible that white may be a california airhead who doesn't like to work. he hasn't had to.
but that texas D he sliced up was a dang good D. that is something yoou SEE, as opposed to hearing thru a grapevine.
anybody ever met the kid?

 

[gomezcat]

If there is a problem with his hamstring, then surely a medical exam will verify that and exonerate him. The concerns re: Lendale have been circulating since the end of the season at least. One of the other things I read is that he would walk into the locker room, announcing, "Showcase is here". Hmmm. It's OK having potential and running your backside off against college defences, but where will that get you in the NFL if you can't be bothered showing up to the Pro Day in shape?

 

[Digger44]

If there is a problem with his hamstring, then surely a medical exam will verify that and exonerate him. The concerns re: Lendale have been circulating since the end of the season at least. One of the other things I read is that he would walk into the locker room, announcing, "Showcase is here". Hmmm. It's OK having potential and running your backside off against college defences, but where will that get you in the NFL if you can't be bothered showing up to the Pro Day in shape?

Valid point about pro day, but what are you talking about concerns circulating? Can you document these so a pattern can be established? If you can, then we know the boy has issues. If not, it is just more media hype that is waisted rumors. "Showcase is here" is proof of nothing. We don't know any context. How do we know it wasnt a joke between him and his team?

 

[gomezcat]

Valid point about pro day, but what are you talking about concerns circulating? Can you document these so a pattern can be established? If you can, then we know the boy has issues. If not, it is just more media hype that is waisted rumors. "Showcase is here" is proof of nothing. We don't know any context. How do we know it wasnt a joke between him and his team?

Interestingly, I did a google search and couldn't find anything about work ethic concerns earlier in the year, so you may have a point.

 

[Crazy Patriot Guy]

Digger44, I still like White as a prospect but I definately don't feel as strong as I once did. To me it's always a red flag when a guy leaves college early and then shows up out of shape. If his hammy is hurt and he can't workout, fine. However, people saying he needs a bra isn't simply because of a dropoff in the amount of bench presses he's been able to do. If he had eaten right, he would still be fit, the only thing would have been a loss of muscle mass. That would look much better.

I'm not exactly one to be critical on diet and physical fitness but it's also not my living.

You asked why he never had a problem at USC? Well, they are constantly working out and practicing. Now that he's on his own, his work ethic is questioned. That's the red flag.

I'm a die-hard UT fan and I watched him shred our defense that night, that's mainly when I fell in love with him. I just don't like what I hear anymore. You see it ALL THE TIME in draft prospect reports, some version of the "tends to rely too much on talent" comment. Alex Barron of St. Louis had that. Mike Martz said after they drafted him that his tecnique was awful, in college he relied too much on overpowering people. It could be the exact same thing with White. In high school and in college, you can get away with not being in the best of shape and still be a stud. The NFL is a different story. Jamar Toombs had such awesome power back in college I wanted the Patriots to take him badly. I still think that run against the Sooners in which he dragged two defenders twenty yards into the endzone is one of the greatest runs I've ever seen. He didn't get drafted and never played in the NFL. He was simply too big. He didn't have the numbers. I'm not trying to compare White to him, just an example of how dominating some in college doesn't make you an NFL player if you don't go the extra mile.

 

[UGAPatsfan]

I would consider a shot with a late 3rd/early fourth but no less. And I have felt this way the entire time..too much risk vs. reward here for me. I think Ron Dayne,TJ Duckett or worse.

 

[Remix 6]

even with this hes not falling out of second round..probably goes to Denver or someone :\ Shannahan is a big risk taker

 

[AzPatsFan]

even with this hes not falling out of second round..probably goes to Denver or someone :\ Shannahan is a big risk taker

But not at RB...

 

[Remix 6]

what happened last year taking Clarrett? What happend with taking a lazy Ron Dayne? What happaned with picking up Cedric Cobbs who was with us..hes now on their practice squad and getting praise and might get a shot to compete for #2 RB spot. He had marijuana issues in the past..he came to us..got cut .. injury prone..slow. Shannahan takes chances. He tries to make players better or who they should be

 

[Flying Fungi]

Does Pete Carrol ever say anything negative ?

There was the day in which he stated:

I'm not not jacked...and pumped...

 

[Digger44]

Digger44, I still like White as a prospect but I definately don't feel as strong as I once did. To me it's always a red flag when a guy leaves college early and then shows up out of shape. If his hammy is hurt and he can't workout, fine. However, people saying he needs a bra isn't simply because of a dropoff in the amount of bench presses he's been able to do. If he had eaten right, he would still be fit, the only thing would have been a loss of muscle mass. That would look much better.

I'm not exactly one to be critical on diet and physical fitness but it's also not my living.

You asked why he never had a problem at USC? Well, they are constantly working out and practicing. Now that he's on his own, his work ethic is questioned. That's the red flag.

I'm a die-hard UT fan and I watched him shred our defense that night, that's mainly when I fell in love with him. I just don't like what I hear anymore. You see it ALL THE TIME in draft prospect reports, some version of the "tends to rely too much on talent" comment. Alex Barron of St. Louis had that. Mike Martz said after they drafted him that his tecnique was awful, in college he relied too much on overpowering people. It could be the exact same thing with White. In high school and in college, you can get away with not being in the best of shape and still be a stud. The NFL is a different story. Jamar Toombs had such awesome power back in college I wanted the Patriots to take him badly. I still think that run against the Sooners in which he dragged two defenders twenty yards into the endzone is one of the greatest runs I've ever seen. He didn't get drafted and never played in the NFL. He was simply too big. He didn't have the numbers. I'm not trying to compare White to him, just an example of how dominating some in college doesn't make you an NFL player if you don't go the extra mile.

Crazy, everything you wrote makes perfect sense. I don't like what I am reading either. I got a question though. How does a guy go from the Rose Bowl to having man b00bs only 2 months later? I don't think that there are enough HoHo's in Cali to do that. Here is a guy who is a monster specimen and next he needs a bra? In a matter of a few months the media now calls him Fat Albert? I just don't think so. Ok he may have put on 10 lbs or so, but this bra stuff just seems like foolishness. Anybody have a pic of it to see the truth? Did the media just blow it out of proportion? Is there a team that has set out to slander him so the can use their low draft pick to get him? And BTW, while bench pressing is a lot of upper body, you do need your legs for a base. It is difficult to press with a pulled hammy. Not impossible, but a bad pull could really effect it.

 

[Digger44]

Interestingly, I did a google search and couldn't find anything about work ethic concerns earlier in the year, so you may have a point.

This is exactly what I am talking about.