Kyle Shanahan

[Ring 6]

I've never been very impressed by this guy, and was surprised he was such a hot HC candidate after one of his only good seasons as an OC.
Here are his 'accomplishments'.

He has been an OC for 9 years.
Those teams have a combined w/l of 67-77
Prior to this year he had only coached in 1 playoff game ever, and lost it. (The infamous RGIII game)
His scoring offenses over those 9 years average ranking 17.1, and 19.1 before this year.
His offenses giveaway rankings average ranking is 18.6, including this year, and 21 prior to this year.
His 9 offenses have ranked 21 or worse in scoring 5 times (including Atlanta in 2015) and 21 or worse in giveaways 5 of 9 years.

I know he has a lot of talent on his current offense (but he did last year too) but before this season, he has really been an abject failure.
Is he up to the big game?

 

[SVN]

Who have been his QB's in the past ? I saw some stat that twice he has played vs pats and has had a decent outing scoring pts wise.

 

[Sycola]

I was critical last year but after a season to adjust, Atlanta's offense is a historical unit. He's been somewhat successful everywhere he's gone. The problem is he has been with consistent losers. The qbs he has worked with, rg3, Matt schuab, hoyer.. and he was able to do something with all of them. Browns best year was his one and only year there.

With players like ryan and julio, he can do so much more. So now he will get to build his own team to fit his philosophy. I think the 9ers will be big time in a few seasons

 

[PatriotsPimp136]

I wouldn't sell the guy just short. Best offense we have faced all year. I think the steelers offense was overrated a lil. Julio Jones's a physical specimen. Gotta slow him down.

 

[Ring 6]

I was critical last year but after a season to adjust, Atlanta's offense is a historical unit. He's been somewhat successful everywhere he's gone. The problem is he has been with consistent losers. The qbs he has worked with, rg3, Matt schuab, hoyer.. and he was able to do something with all of them. Browns best year was his one and only year there.

With players like ryan and julio, he can do so much more. So now he will get to build his own team to fit his philosophy. I think the 9ers will be big time in a few seasons

He coached 1 playoff game in 8 years and lost it, how is that 'somewhat successful everywhere he has gone'?

Browns best year, they were 27th in scoring, oh and then he got fired.

 

[Ring 6]

I wouldn't sell the guy just short. Best offense we have faced all year. I think the steelers offense was overrated a lil. Julio Jones's a physical specimen. Gotta slow him down.

I'm not saying the Atlanta offense sucks, I'm saying this guy has not exactly been a successful coordinator, and before this year, was actually a pretty big failure.
But also, having coached 1 playoff game in his 8 years before this year, there have to be concerns about his big game readiness.

 

[Absurdly Metro]

Those things you cite are the measure of mere mortals. Kyle is of the lineage of Shanahan! Son of the One who is "universally regarded at the highest levels" as the "ultimate leader."

What else needs be said?

 

[Sycola]

He coached 1 playoff game in 8 years and lost it, how is that 'somewhat successful everywhere he has gone'?

Browns best year, they were 27th in scoring, oh and then he got fired.

He didn't get fired, he asked to be released. Somewhat successful... the teams he coached improved on offense, his qbs had their best years. He had zero talent with the Browns. Rg3 and alford Morris vanished after he left Washington, and schuab turned into a pick six machine after he left Houston.

Just look at what he's doing now in Atlanta after two seasons. He's a great oc

 

[Ring 6]

He didn't get fired, he asked to be released. Somewhat successful... the teams he coached improved on offense, his qbs had their best years. He had zero talent with the Browns. Rg3 and alford Morris vanished after he left Washington, and schuab turned into a pick six machine after he left Houston.

Just look at what he's doing now in Atlanta after two seasons. He's a great oc

How does a 'great OC' coach for 8 years and make it to one playoff game that he loses?
You are blinded by love.
Hey, he did a good job this year, but until he sucked.

Coaches who blame the players for their failures, don't go far.
If you think he did a good job in Washington with RG III and Cousins, not sure what to tell you.

Doesn't mean the guy sucks, but you are lying if you think he has done a good job for his career as an OC.

 

[Tony2046]

I've never been very impressed by this guy, and was surprised he was such a hot HC candidate after one of his only good seasons as an OC.
Here are his 'accomplishments'.

He has been an OC for 9 years.
Those teams have a combined w/l of 67-77
Prior to this year he had only coached in 1 playoff game ever, and lost it. (The infamous RGIII game)
His scoring offenses over those 9 years average ranking 17.1, and 19.1 before this year.
His offenses giveaway rankings average ranking is 18.6, including this year, and 21 prior to this year.
His 9 offenses have ranked 21 or worse in scoring 5 times (including Atlanta in 2015) and 21 or worse in giveaways 5 of 9 years.

I know he has a lot of talent on his current offense (but he did last year too) but before this season, he has really been an abject failure.
Is he up to the big game?

I'm not sure if that speaks more to the delicate balance needed to be successful in the NFL or Kyle himself. Did he improve with experience? I would say yes. I would also say that sometimes good coaches/players get run over by bad teams.

Further, Last year was his first year as Atlanta's OC. He changed their offensive system from a vertical deep ball type to a west coast play action pass. Quicker reads etc... So it took time for everyone to learn or convert over to the new system.

It has worked extremely well for him and the team.

I do think the media loves to over glorify every damn thing. "The Great Aaron Rodgers" "He made a pass to an open guy twenty yards down the field that no one in NFL history could make" BLAH BLAH WTF???

Anyways he's done a good job down there and should get credit. BUT, I am curious to see how BB and crew will crack the code to shutting down Kyle's high flying system. We heard a lot about the killer B's and how patient Bell was. I think the over glorified Pittsburgh patient running stuff ended with a thud in the AFCCG.

 

[qbno12]

Someone here posted that BB's defenses have not done well against Shanahan's offenses.

 

[Ring 6]

I'm not sure if that speaks more to the delicate balance needed to be successful in the NFL or Kyle himself. Did he improve with experience? I would say yes. I would also say that sometimes good coaches/players get run over by bad teams.

Further, Last year was his first year as Atlanta's OC. He changed their offensive system from a vertical deep ball type to a west coast play action pass. Quicker reads etc... So it took time for everyone to learn or convert over to the new system.

It has worked extremely well for him and the team.

I do think the media loves to over glorify every damn thing. "The Great Aaron Rodgers" "He made a pass to an open guy twenty yards down the field that no one in NFL history could make" BLAH BLAH WTF???

Anyways he's done a good job down there and should get credit. BUT, I am curious to see how BB and crew will crack the code to shutting down Kyle's high flying system. We heard a lot about the killer B's and how patient Bell was. I think the over glorified Pittsburgh patient running stuff ended with a thud in the AFCCG.

He has had a good year. Prior to this year he has been less than mediocre. There is nothing wrong with admitting that, and no I don't see improvement, again, prior to this year.
Personally, in hiring him as a HC, I'd be concerned about him have quit on 2 jobs already. He quit the Houston job to go work for his father, which is somewhat understandable, but then after being fired in Washington he signed a 3 year deal with the Browns, only to quit after a year, giving the reason that he was loyal to Dan Quinn because they had discussed him being the OC if Quinn ever got hired, so he quit on the Browns.
My point in starting this thread was more about his qualifications as a HC candidate, and I don't see a lot that would excite me as an owner, other than he is coming off a good year.

 

[Tony2046]

He has had a good year. Prior to this year he has been less than mediocre. There is nothing wrong with admitting that, and no I don't see improvement, again, prior to this year.
Personally, in hiring him as a HC, I'd be concerned about him have quit on 2 jobs already. He quit the Houston job to go work for his father, which is somewhat understandable, but then after being fired in Washington he signed a 3 year deal with the Browns, only to quit after a year, giving the reason that he was loyal to Dan Quinn because they had discussed him being the OC if Quinn ever got hired, so he quit on the Browns.
My point in starting this thread was more about his qualifications as a HC candidate, and I don't see a lot that would excite me as an owner, other than he is coming off a good year.

Tough to tell. Did he get better with experience? Or did walking into a team loaded with talent make his system look good? Probably a little of both. It's subjective.

Hard to fault a team from wanting a coach from the highest scoring team in the league.

But I do agree with you though. Another Media anointed king who they'll dethrone on Monday. And probably again three games into his first season with the niners.

 

[Sycola]

How does a 'great OC' coach for 8 years and make it to one playoff game that he loses?
You are blinded by love.
Hey, he did a good job this year, but until he sucked.

Coaches who blame the players for their failures, don't go far.
If you think he did a good job in Washington with RG III and Cousins, not sure what to tell you.

Doesn't mean the guy sucks, but you are lying if you think he has done a good job for his career as an OC.

I'm blinded by love? Uh no.. that's ridiculous. Just look at all the numbers, what he did with the running games.. all the players who had career highs under him. You're stuck on this winning a playoff game thing as if it's an individual statistic.. it isn't. I'm speaking in general terms he was somewhat successful. Just because you don't follow football outside of the Patriots doesn't give you an excuse to debate without actual facts.

 

[Nikolai]

I do think the media loves to over glorify every damn thing. "The Great Aaron Rodgers" "He made a pass to an open guy twenty yards down the field that no one in NFL history could make" BLAH BLAH WTF???

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We heard a lot about the killer B's and how patient Bell was. I think the over glorified Pittsburgh patient running stuff ended with a thud in the AFCCG.

And that's why I've been pretty damned skeptical of all this huge praise Atlanta has been getting for their offense. Make no mistake, they're good, but I'm not ready to crown them GSoT 2.0.

 

[Ring 6]

I'm blinded by love? Uh no.. that's ridiculous. Just look at all the numbers, what he did with the running games.. all the players who had career highs under him. You're stuck on this winning a playoff game thing as if it's an individual statistic.. it isn't. I'm speaking in general terms he was somewhat successful. Just because you don't follow football outside of the Patriots doesn't give you an excuse to debate without actual facts.

I looked at every facet of coaching. In 8 years he made the playoffs ONE time. That sucks. When he did he was one and done. In 8 years his offenses scored a below average amount of points and turned the ball over an above average amount of times (both hold true if you include this year and #1 in both) that is not good.
You seem to think that having any positives happen at all while yin are failing to play good offense or win is what makes a good coach. It doesn't.

Nice try at deflection in your last sentence but the fact that I follow the entire league is exactly why I see this clearly and you are stuck in homerville.

 

[GodBrady]

Bill Belichick was 36–44 before coming to the Patriots. Belichick is one of the all-time greatest coaches.

Now, I am definitely not saying that Shanahan is destined to become a great head coach, but I wouldn't look too much into his past mediocrity. Personnel matters a lot, and he really hasn't been on any particularly good teams talent-wise.

 

[Ring 6]

Bill Belichick was 36–44 before coming to the Patriots. Belichick is one of the all-time greatest coaches.

Now, I am definitely not saying that Shanahan is destined to become a great head coach, but I wouldn't look too much into his past mediocrity. Personnel matters a lot, and he really hasn't been on any particularly good teams talent-wise.

Belichick was regarded as one of the greatest DCs ever and had 2 rings in 6 years as DC and a game plan in the HOF. Shanahan has 2 playoff wins in 9 years and lost his game plan.
Comparing these 2 is beyond silly.

It doesn't mean shanahan is doomed to fail but it does mean his career to date has been very underwhelming.

 

[GodBrady]

Belichick was regarded as one of the greatest DCs ever and had 2 rings in 6 years as DC and a game plan in the HOF. Shanahan has 2 playoff wins in 9 years and lost his game plan.
Comparing these 2 is beyond silly.

It doesn't mean shanahan is doomed to fail but it does mean his career to date has been very underwhelming.

You're right, let's ignore the historically great season his offensive put together, the absolute awful personnel and franchises he's been with, the effusive praise his colleagues give, and go with "he's really mediocre and overhyped because of he shares the same last name of his daddy." Does that make you feel better about Sunday's game? That sure feels like what you're trying to accomplish.

And I didn't compare Belichick and Shanahan. I explicitly said that. I said that in spite of being one of the greatest minds in NFL history, Belichick was still exceedingly mediocre in Cleveland. Clearly, no matter how good a coach is, they can only overcome so much. Is that really that hard of a concept to understand?

 

[Ring 6]

You're right, let's ignore the historically great season his offensive put together, the absolute awful personnel and franchises he's been with, the effusive praise his colleagues give, and go with "he's really mediocre and overhyped because of he shares the same last name of his daddy." Does that make you feel better about Sunday's game? That sure feels like what you're trying to accomplish.

And I didn't compare Belichick and Shanahan. I explicitly said that. I said that in spite of being one of the greatest minds in NFL history, Belichick was still exceedingly mediocre in Cleveland. Clearly, no matter how good a coach is, they can only overcome so much. Is that really that hard of a concept to understand?

So you think it's better to ignore his entire career except for this year?
If you think he did a good job in his first 8 years as a coordinator I don't know what to tell you.

And you literally compared him to BB only you did a weak job of it.