Kraft regrets giving Belichick so much power without “checks and balances” in place.

[TheRainMaker]

I've said for years, way too many people were in denial of how bad the talent has gotten and really wanted to believe there was just one key element that was making everything look FAR worse than it was.

Mac was a mediocre QB, but he wasn't some all time bad Curtis Painter type. Teams with good talent could do respectable with mediocre QB's. We see it all the time. Now that we think we might have the QB, it has to be coaching. That's the special change.

The truth is, the team is ****ing dreadful and needs a very methodical rebuild that might take awhile. And we are just going to set ourselves back if we keep looking for easy scapegoats and quick fixes.

The names constantly being dropped on here are on the defense who nobody other than Pats fans care about. Almost every player on the Pats D are system dependent and I'm being generous.

The defense hasn't been good since 2019 when they play any team .500 or above. A fact that many posters are still in denial over.

 

[lancerman]

The names constantly being dropped on here are on the defense who nobody other than Pats fans care about. Almost every player on the Pats D are system dependent and I'm being generous.

The defense hasn't been good since 2019 when they play any team .500 or above. A fact that many posters are still in denial over.

Exactly. We have a few guys that are decent role players that would be good in this system with some real stars around them if we had them.

The half decent players on this team get overrated by fans here. They are C+ or B- players and we are starved so much we call them an A.

 

[sb1]

Bill’s Browns were not a SB contender. The defense might have been good enough to get there but that’s it.

Bill was not ready for prime time as a HC back then.

 

[bresna]

I'm beginning to regret that the NFL didn't ban Kraft after the Orchid affair.

 

[AQPE]

Thank God we have the almost HOFer and his nebbishy son holding everyone accountable now. I heard on WBZ that they were going to the locker room to talk to the team after the game. That will fix everything.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Not as stupid as someone who called a 5-11 team "Super Bowl contenders" based on nothing but some guy's preseason prediction.

The 1994 Browns were 11-5 and in late Sept of 95 were 3-1 when Modell started negotiations with Baltimore

 

[RobertWeathers]

Bill’s Browns were not a SB contender. The defense might have been good enough to get there but that’s it.

Bill was not ready for prime time as a HC back then.

During that period of time, if you look at the AFC it was wide open. BUF was in decline and Denver was rebuilding around Elway.

That has nothing to do with Bill "readiness"

 

[PatRiot]

bs - sorry - BB was the greatest, also The Goat

 

[mrbean]

Bill’s Browns were not a SB contender. The defense might have been good enough to get there but that’s it.

Bill was not ready for prime time as a HC back then.

Am I reading this right? Wouldn’t a defense good enough to get there make them a contender? I also seem to remember “not ready for prime time” Belichick and his Browns team sending us packing from the playoffs. Go look at the staff that came out of that Browns team. Cleveland 95.

 

[upstater1]

Thank God we have the almost HOFer and his nebbishy son holding everyone accountable now. I heard on WBZ that they were going to the locker room to talk to the team after the game. That will fix everything.

It is typical WBZ hyping things.

They would never undercut the coach like that.

 

[lancerman]

bs - sorry - BB was the greatest, also The Goat

When he had Tom Brady. Was basically Jeff Fisher when you took Brady away froem him.

 

[mrbean]

How many SB’s did Green Bay win with Rodgers?
How many did the Colts win with Manning?
How many did NO win with Brees?
How many did Miami win with Marino?

Belichick had the greatest QB of all time and leveraged it into the greatest dynasty the sport has ever seen. What are the other coaches excuses?

 

[Ray Ray 717]

How many SB’s did Green Bay win with Rodgers?
How many did the Colts win with Manning?
How many did NO win with Brees?
How many did Miami win with Marino?

Belichick had the greatest QB of all time and leveraged it into the greatest dynasty the sport has ever seen. What are the other coaches excuses?

Belichick the coach has never been the problem. Belichick the GM is the problem.

 

[lancerman]

How many SB’s did Green Bay win with Rodgers?
How many did the Colts win with Manning?
How many did NO win with Brees?
How many did Miami win with Marino?

Belichick had the greatest QB of all time and leveraged it into the greatest dynasty the sport has ever seen. What are the other coaches excuses?

Brady's one of two QB's to win titles on different teams. The other was basically carried by an all time great defense.

Also, let's be real, Brady had qualities himself that pushed him ahead of the guys you mentioned. Manning was always shell shocked in big moments and essentially only could go all the way when his defenses and special teams could take over in the playoffs. He wasn't ice cold like Brady. Marino had control issues and would check out of running plays constantly to play hero ball. Brady was very unselfish. Marino would never let Blount run all over the Colts in a playoff game like Brady did. Rodgers often would pass up the easy plays for bigger bombs down field and it hurt him a lot against better teams in the playoffs. Brees as a player probably had the least apparent flaws, but a big chunk of his career was derailed when bountygate happened and the Saints ended up fielding historically bad defenses for several years and by the time they rebuilt passed that, he was too old.

Brady had so many intangibles over those guys that were a big part of the results we got with him and he proved he could transfer that to another team outside the NE system. He's sort of a unicorn and only Montana came close in that regard.

Frankly, I'd argue almost all those other coaches would win more with Brady just because of that.

Give Belichick any of those other guys, I don't think he wins as much. Marino and Bill would have butted heads way too much. Manning basically ran his own offense and Bill was never going to allow that, which fundamentally changes Manning or creates a power struggle (which Manning would win). Likewise, Rodgers would have drove Bill crazy with going rogue on play calls and we saw what happened with him and McCarthy. Frankly I think in all 3 of those scenarios it would end badly and likely have the franchises all siding with the talented QB over Bill. Brady was basically the ideal player for Belichick. And Brees needed a Sean Payton offensive type to really maximize him.

 

[lancerman]

Belichick the coach has never been the problem. Belichick the GM is the problem.

To extrapolate on this. BB the GM has always had ebb and flow periods as a GM where he had very dry runs and then would have a spurt of 2 or 3 great drafts to change things. After about 2014ish we had a prolonged down period drafting and while we squeezed runs out of what came before, we slowly were diminishing each year.

 

[Wax Frog]

Hopefully, this season forces RKK to reflect and clean the entire house out and move away from the failed coaching tree.

Tree? More like a lichen!

 

[sb1]

When he had Tom Brady. Was basically Jeff Fisher when you took Brady away froem him.

Or Todd Bowles… his win pct post Brady is almost identical to Bowles

 

[sb1]

Belichick the coach has never been the problem. Belichick the GM is the problem.

Theyre one and the same guy. His coaching was a big problem since the day he hired Patricia and Judge to run his offense.

 

[mrbean]

Brady's one of two QB's to win titles on different teams. The other was basically carried by an all time great defense.

Also, let's be real, Brady had qualities himself that pushed him ahead of the guys you mentioned. Manning was always shell shocked in big moments and essentially only could go all the way when his defenses and special teams could take over in the playoffs. He wasn't ice cold like Brady. Marino had control issues and would check out of running plays constantly to play hero ball. Brady was very unselfish. Marino would never let Blount run all over the Colts in a playoff game like Brady did. Rodgers often would pass up the easy plays for bigger bombs down field and it hurt him a lot against better teams in the playoffs. Brees as a player probably had the least apparent flaws, but a big chunk of his career was derailed when bountygate happened and the Saints ended up fielding historically bad defenses for several years and by the time they rebuilt passed that, he was too old.

Brady had so many intangibles over those guys that were a big part of the results we got with him and he proved he could transfer that to another team outside the NE system. He's sort of a unicorn and only Montana came close in that regard.

Frankly, I'd argue almost all those other coaches would win more with Brady just because of that.

Give Belichick any of those other guys, I don't think he wins as much. Marino and Bill would have butted heads way too much. Manning basically ran his own offense and Bill was never going to allow that, which fundamentally changes Manning or creates a power struggle (which Manning would win). Likewise, Rodgers would have drove Bill crazy with going rogue on play calls and we saw what happened with him and McCarthy. Frankly I think in all 3 of those scenarios it would end badly and likely have the franchises all siding with the talented QB over Bill. Brady was basically the ideal player for Belichick. And Brees needed a Sean Payton offensive type to really maximize him.

Brady also had 20 years behind a top 10 defense, a top 5 offensive line, and a top 3 special teams unit. Let’s quit pretending he did it all by himself; he didn’t. He was drafted in the 6th round for a reason. Go ask Dean Pees how much time Belichick spent with Brady teaching him how to read a defense. People seem to forget Belichick coached in the league for 25 years before Brady. Where are all Bill’s peers talking about how overrated he was? The dude’s been coaching at the NFL level for over half a century. I’d love to see what his naysayer’s resumes look like and what they;be been doing on Sundays the last 50 years. The ignorance is astounding. The guy has forgotten more about football than you, me, and anyone else who wants to **** talk him will ever know. No one has had more impact on the game in the salary cap era than Belichick.

 

[upstater1]

Belichick the coach has never been the problem. Belichick the GM is the problem.

Belichick was the GM for 24 years. Your'e saying it was a problem all along? Or just 2015-2019?