Kraft: NFL probably 'on board' with Raiders to Vegas

[Froob]

This is Las Vegas


This is Las Vegas after Raider nation came to town

 

[The Brandon Five]

The "Around The NFL" guys estimated that 90% of Chargers fans would abandon the team when they moved. Couple that with a similar number of fans abandoning the Raiders when they move and Mark Cuban is going to be right sooner than we expected.

 

[Anteros]

they will have 16 away games per year since fans of every opponent will come to vegas to have a drunken blast for the weekend and go watch their team play the raiders

But every game be a sell out.
$$$$$

 

[IllegalContact]

But every game be a sell out.
$$$$$

I thought simply a game of the week in vegas with 2 visiting teams would generate more money than moving a team there

it would be like adding a franchise without the extra team

 

[Anteros]

I thought simply a game of the week in vegas with 2 visiting teams would generate more money than moving a team there

it would be like adding a franchise without the extra team

That actually sounds like a very good idea. Do you know if this has ever been seriously discussed among the 32?

 

[The Brandon Five]

Nothing says "integrity of the game" like having a team in the gambling capital of the country.

 

[Kontradiction]

Hope Al rises from the grave to haunt his ****ty son.

He doesn't need to. Mark Davis' bowl cut is already haunting him.

 

[fightingirish595]

I love the arrogance of NFL owners thinking they can just move teams willy nilly. The Raiders have been in Oakland a long time. They even moved once then changed their minds and realized they had a good thing in Oakland. I am not a fan of the Oakland fan base. It is one of the worst as far as the kind of people. However it is fairly passionate (especially for a west coast fan base). It is not huge but there are smaller teams to move that as less of a staple in their area.

This would not only be bad for football but bad for the owners. If they do it then it will be LA all over again. They will realize after 10 some years they made a mistake when the stadium never gets full and their merchandise sales go down they have made a mistake and will move it back. However how long can you jerk a fan base around before they say screw you and decide to latch on to a more stable team that won't let this crap happen.

They own the team, they don't think they can do anything. They pretty much can do anything

 

[IllegalContact]

That actually sounds like a very good idea. Do you know if this has ever been seriously discussed among the 32?

they are too stupid

just look at who they have for commissioner.........

 

[tasmlab]

I thought simply a game of the week in vegas with 2 visiting teams would generate more money than moving a team there

it would be like adding a franchise without the extra team

That's a great idea.

90% of fandom is related to having the team be in your region, and the other 90% is probably who your dad rooted for. Moving teams around, unless your current location is a disaster, seems so destructive and so hard to rebuild. Aesthetically, they are ruining big parts of people's childhood and identity if one is a big football fan.

Kind of OT, but I think most teams would benefit from just being more inclusive with their regions like New England and Carolina do, claiming a larger region than just a city. Rocky Mountain Broncos, Michigan Lions, MidWest Colts, Rust Belt Browns, Jesus-ville Titans, etc.

 

[The Brandon Five]

We need a thread for potential team names for a Vegas team.

I'll start:

"The Over/Unders"

 

[patfanken]

For most teams, like the Chargers, I'd agree with you, but I think the Davis family deserves a pass here. They are the least-wealthy family to own an NFL team, with a net worth of ~500 million, and the Raiders represent their only significant asset - they don't even own a majority of the team, though the setup does give them control over it.

The Davis family simply cannot AFFORD to build a stadium without outside money, and the Colosseum is literally falling apart around the team. Since Oakland is uninterested in helping pay for a replacement, and the other owners are likewise uninterested in paying for the new stadium, the Raiders don't have much choice but to move.

NO, I repeat NO state or municipality should EVER give a professional sports team a single dime (beyond the normal logistics money you'd spend on any big building site). EVER.

Kraft showed everyone a working model that didn't cost the state a dime, and they even got the logisics money back from parking fees. If Davis can't afford to build it himself, then the f*cking league and its incredibly deep pockets should front the money. I mean why wouldn't they, if those stadiums were so lucrative. It would be a sound buisiness investment that they should love to get in on.

For decades the criminals at the NFL league offices have practiced legalized extrotion and bribery to get cities to play for stadiums and not ONE ever made finanacial sense and all ended up costing more than the original payment.

I am incredibly proud that the city of Boston and its environs supports 4 great professional teams that play their games in stadia, arenas, and parks that haven't taken a dime out of the city/state coffers to build, upgrade, and maintain.....and they are ALL making money hand over fist.

There should be a criminal investigation of the Nevada Legislature that allowed $750MM to go to this stadium. And don't tell me the money will come from tourist/hotel taxes. That's BS. That's STILL money they could have been spent on infrastructure, education, housing and healthcare, that's going to go to build just an excuse to build luxury boxes and PSL's.

The saddest part of all is that NONE of it is necessary. The NFL makes more than enough money (at least up to now) to self finance a new stadium every 30 years for every franchise in the league. The only reason they take the public money is because they CAN.

 

[RecoveringCowboy]

Remember when Paul Hornung was suspended for consorting with known gamblers? lol.

Times have changed and not for the better. Those were the days when a commissioner named Pete Rozelle did not have to talk about integrity. Maybe the best commissioner of any sport ever. During Rozell's reign, six new expansion teams added, not including the merger with AFL that added ten more teams.

Rozell was in charge three times longer than Goodell so far and only had two teams move...when the Raiders and Chargers move, it will be four under Goodell.

 

[The Brandon Five]

NO, I repeat NO state or municipality should EVER give a professional sports team a single dime (beyond the normal logistics money you'd spend on any big building site). EVER.

Kraft showed everyone a working model that didn't cost the state a dime, and they even got the logisics money back from parking fees. If Davis can't afford to build it himself, then the f*cking league and its incredibly deep pockets should front the money. I mean why wouldn't they, if those stadiums were so lucrative. It would be a sound buisiness investment that they should love to get in on.

For decades the criminals at the NFL league offices have practiced legalized extrotion and bribery to get cities to play for stadiums and not ONE ever made finanacial sense and all ended up costing more than the original payment.

I am incredibly proud that the city of Boston and its environs supports 4 great professional teams that play their games in stadia, arenas, and parks that haven't taken a dime out of the city/state coffers to build, upgrade, and maintain.....and they are ALL making money hand over fist.

There should be a criminal investigation of the Nevada Legislature that allowed $750MM to go to this stadium. And don't tell me the money will come from tourist/hotel taxes. That's BS. That's STILL money they could have been spent on infrastructure, education, housing and healthcare, that's going to go to build just an excuse to build luxury boxes and PSL's.

The saddest part of all is that NONE of it is necessary. The NFL makes more than enough money (at least up to now) to self finance a new stadium every 30 years for every franchise in the league. The only reason they take the public money is because they CAN.

Have you seen what happened in Minnesota?

Minnesota legislative auditor opens 'priority' investigation into authority's use of two U.S. Bank Stadium luxury suites

http://www.startribune.com/work-or-...-free-access-to-luxury-suite-seats/403153766/

The government appointees who oversee U.S. Bank Stadium on behalf of taxpayers get a perk unavailable to most Minnesotans: free tickets to two lower-level luxury suites for all events held there. The suites are for marketing purposes but, they admit, friends and family are often in attendance.

Taxpayers covered almost $500 million of the $1.1 billion cost of the stadium, but the public cannot find out who gets those 36 suite seats each game. The Minnesota Sports Facilities Authority (MSFA) members decline to say who joins them for complimentary food, beer and, in some cases, free parking in the same lot reserved for Vikings players and coaches.

 

[The Brandon Five]

Times have changed and not for the better. Those were the days when a commissioner named Pete Rozelle did not have to talk about integrity. Maybe the best commissioner of any sport ever. During Rozell's reign, six new expansion teams added, not including the merger with AFL that added ten more teams.

Rozell was in charge three times longer than Goodell so far and only had two teams move...when the Raiders and Chargers move, it will be four under Goodell.

Goodell suffers from delusions of adequacy

 

[RecoveringCowboy]

NO, I repeat NO state or municipality should EVER give a professional sports team a single dime (beyond the normal logistics money you'd spend on any big building site). EVER.

Kraft showed everyone a working model that didn't cost the state a dime, and they even got the logisics money back from parking fees. If Davis can't afford to build it himself, then the f*cking league and its incredibly deep pockets should front the money. I mean why wouldn't they, if those stadiums were so lucrative. It would be a sound buisiness investment that they should love to get in on.

For decades the criminals at the NFL league offices have practiced legalized extrotion and bribery to get cities to play for stadiums and not ONE ever made finanacial sense and all ended up costing more than the original payment.

I am incredibly proud that the city of Boston and its environs supports 4 great professional teams that play their games in stadia, arenas, and parks that haven't taken a dime out of the city/state coffers to build, upgrade, and maintain.....and they are ALL making money hand over fist.

There should be a criminal investigation of the Nevada Legislature that allowed $750MM to go to this stadium. And don't tell me the money will come from tourist/hotel taxes. That's BS. That's STILL money they could have been spent on infrastructure, education, housing and healthcare, that's going to go to build just an excuse to build luxury boxes and PSL's.

The saddest part of all is that NONE of it is necessary. The NFL makes more than enough money (at least up to now) to self finance a new stadium every 30 years for every franchise in the league. The only reason they take the public money is because they CAN.

I will attempt to avoid getting overly political, but this kind of sports welfare needs to stop. If you Google, articles state that communities usually don't get the revenue to break even for the money taxpayers put in to these venues.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I am incredibly proud that the city of Boston and its environs supports 4 great professional teams that play their games in stadia, arenas, and parks that haven't taken a dime out of the city/state coffers to build, upgrade, and maintain.....and they are ALL making money hand over fist.

Sports teams and stadiums is the ONLY thing this state has shown any fiscal responsibility and financial conservatism on.

 

[Alternator]

NO, I repeat NO state or municipality should EVER give a professional sports team a single dime (beyond the normal logistics money you'd spend on any big building site). EVER.

Kraft showed everyone a working model that didn't cost the state a dime, and they even got the logisics money back from parking fees. If Davis can't afford to build it himself, then the f*cking league and its incredibly deep pockets should front the money. I mean why wouldn't they, if those stadiums were so lucrative. It would be a sound buisiness investment that they should love to get in on.

<Snip>

OK, and so the league refuses, and what exactly is the Davis family supposed to do? Remain in a stadium where the sewage pipes are leaking, and the building itself is falling apart? Sell their 47% share of the team, and watch the new buyer find a city/county/state willing to cough up the money?

In an ideal world, sure, there wouldn't be public money and the league would pay for everything if needed - but in the world we live in, what choice does the Davis family, themselves, have that doesn't end up involving public money? They're the only ones I've defended here.

 

[patfanken]

OK, and so the league refuses, and what exactly is the Davis family supposed to do? Remain in a stadium where the sewage pipes are leaking, and the building itself is falling apart? Sell their 47% share of the team, and watch the new buyer find a city/county/state willing to cough up the money?

In an ideal world, sure, there wouldn't be public money and the league would pay for everything if needed - but in the world we live in, what choice does the Davis family, themselves, have that doesn't end up involving public money? They're the only ones I've defended here.

I think your defense of Davis is fair, but I've already stated that the league can make up any short fall that any municipality can put up and do it easily.

Secondly the more I think about it the less sympathy I feel for Davis. He's had over 20 years to milk, not only the TV cash, but the merchandizing end of one of the more popular brands in the league. Where did all THAT money go all these years. Granted that stadium sucks, but if I were running an enormously successful business and my landlord failed to maintain the property, I'd either build my own building or fix it up myself. Davis has done neither. Instead he's waited for their the league or some municipality to bail him out.

No, sorry Alternator, you make a valiant effort, but f*ck Davis. He's had decades to solve that problem HIMSELF. Now he wants everyone to feel sorry for him because the had a lousy stadium and no one fixed it for him. So not a bit of sympathy here. With this move the day that Vince McMann becomes the commissioner draws ever closer.

 

[NormZauchin]

That's a great idea.

90% of fandom is related to having the team be in your region, and the other 90% is probably who your dad rooted for. Moving teams around, unless your current location is a disaster, seems so destructive and so hard to rebuild. Aesthetically, they are ruining big parts of people's childhood and identity if one is a big football fan.

Kind of OT, but I think most teams would benefit from just being more inclusive with their regions like New England and Carolina do, claiming a larger region than just a city. Rocky Mountain Broncos, Michigan Lions, MidWest Colts, Rust Belt Browns, Jesus-ville Titans, etc.

The thing about Vegas is that there is no region. There is the city and then desert for miles and miles. It's not like New England and many other places with towns and smaller cities stretching out over the countryside. If the people of Vegas and those on holiday don't fill the stadium, they will have to recruit the jackrabbits.