King trade scenario (FWIW)

[Uncle Rico]

From his MMQB:

"1. There's a team in the draft that has a deal on the table -- I'm guessing New England (surprise!) -- with a team trying to come back into the first round. The deal will net the team dealing the first-rounder the following: a second-round pick in 2011 and a first-round pick in 2012. The deal, I hear, is contingent on the player the trade-up team wants still being there. Could it be Tennessee trading into the bottom of the first round, at 28, to get Jake Locker or Andy Dalton? Stay tuned."

Titans' 2nd round pick is 39. Would they really give that up plus a 1 in '12 for 28?

2011 NFL Draft week begins with uncertainty at the top - Peter King - SI.com

 

[manxman2601]

From his MMQB:

"1. There's a team in the draft that has a deal on the table -- I'm guessing New England (surprise!) -- with a team trying to come back into the first round. The deal will net the team dealing the first-rounder the following: a second-round pick in 2011 and a first-round pick in 2012. The deal, I hear, is contingent on the player the trade-up team wants still being there. Could it be Tennessee trading into the bottom of the first round, at 28, to get Jake Locker or Andy Dalton? Stay tuned."

Titans' 2nd round pick is 39. Would they really give that up plus a 1 in '12 for 28?

2011 NFL Draft week begins with uncertainty at the top - Peter King - SI.com

I doubt it for 28, but maybe #17 is the real Patriots pick they are thinking about, then the trade stacks up a little better value wise for both teams. the titans might prefer going up that high to put them ahead of the possible late first round QB feeding frenzy. Reports suggest the Titans have a lot of interest in Jake Locker and may want to jump ahead of the pack for the QB most are slotting as third QB off the board.

 

[patriotscpfc]

A future pick is worth a pick in the next round.

i.e Carolina 2nd for our 89.

28 = 39 + 2012 1st to move ahead of a lot of other QB-wanting teams is fair value in my opinion.

 

[Peachhead]

So trading back 12 spots (or 22 spots if Manx is right) for a 1st next year from a team that's picking 8 and likely to be picking later next year due to being another year into their transition? Sounds like an offer we might have considered in years past.

But this time there's significantly more risk trading into next year. So they would have to sweeten the pot in this year's picks for me to consider it. Even if it meant lowering or eliminating the payoff next year.

 

[VJCPatriot]

It would have to be the 28 I think. There's too much risk for 2012 to be giving up #17.

 

[manxman2601]

To be fair, there's nothing in the report to suggest this is the Patriots (King says he's "guessing")

It's like a word association game; "draft", "trade". Ahhh! Patriots.

 

[Ochmed Jones]

Someone else posted on another board that the team giving up their first round pick in 2011 for a 2nd in 2011 and a 1st in 2012 is Seattle.

Apparently the poster thinks Pete "the Rete" Carroll has no desire to draft Locker and thinks he can get a quality Lineman and/or RB in the second round.

 

[VJCPatriot]

Apparently the poster thinks Pete "the Rete" Carroll has no desire to draft Locker and thinks he can get a quality Lineman and/or RB in the second round.

Say what you will about Pete Carroll, he was a pretty decent coach although too soft for the Pats needs at the time that he inherited the team. It also didn't help that his reign was associated with the terrible drafting of Bobby Grier. Again not excusing it since he had to OK the picks, but he wasn't entirely terrible. And what he's done in Seattle, bringing that team to the playoffs and getting them a playoff win is pretty impressive imo. I think Pete will stick around in Seattle a little longer than he did in NE.

And BTW if he's staying away from Jake Locker it looks like he's getting better scouting this time around. I think Locker has the potential to be one of the all-time busts in this year's draft.

 

[bucky]

If this is true - and it's a big IF - Tennessee is definitely not the team. Why would Peter King rat them out like that? The team that makes the most sense by far is Oakland. Sitting at 48, they're not going to get a QB. And getting back into the 26-28 range requires them to give up their 2012 1st rounder. It's just the kind of move Al Davis would make.

 

[Wilfork#75]

If this is true, I'm hoping its the Pats with Washington. The Skins have no 3rd or 4th round picks to use in a trade up, so a future 1st is their best trade chip. I would love it to be them because with the way that team is going they could easily have the #1 pick next year. They need a QB and they probably don't like one at 10, so a move back into the first to grab one makes sense.

 

[Triumph]

If this is true - and it's a big IF - Tennessee is definitely not the team. Why would Peter King rat them out like that? The team that makes the most sense by far is Oakland. Sitting at 48, they're not going to get a QB. And getting back into the 26-28 range requires them to give up their 2012 1st rounder. It's just the kind of move Al Davis would make.

Yup

Davis wants to win now.

 

[VJCPatriot]

I think there will be more than 1 team looking to trade back into the 1st for a QB. Besides the Redskins, there's also teams like the Vikings, the Bengals, and the Cards who could be interested in leapfrogging each other back into the late 1st for the QB of their choice. Besides Locker there's Ponder, Dalton, Kaepernick, and Mallet who could be in consideration for teams like those.

Knowing the Redskins they might just pull the trigger on Locker at #10 anyways. Snyder loves to make a splash. And Shannahan does need a new QB to mold in his own image. Besides doesn't adding a franchise QB add at least 2 years to a coach's shelf life?

 

[VrabelMayeWin]

If this is true, I'm hoping its the Pats with Washington. The Skins have no 3rd or 4th round picks to use in a trade up, so a future 1st is their best trade chip. I would love it to be them because with the way that team is going they could easily have the #1 pick next year. They need a QB and they probably don't like one at 10, so a move back into the first to grab one makes sense.

That was my first thought.

If they could get Jones at #10 then Locker at #17 they'd have the pieces Shanahan would want.

As I have said before, if we trade out for another team to get a QB I expect it to be #17 not #28 because I think #28 might be too late if the QB run starts a little earlier as I expect. Of course, if we trade #17 and start the QB run then that will enhance the non QB for us at #28 and #33.

 

[bucky]

Someone else posted on another board that the team giving up their first round pick in 2011 for a 2nd in 2011 and a 1st in 2012 is Seattle.

That doesn't make any sense. Seattle already has pick #25. This would imply they're so in love with 2 people in the late 20s that they're willing to give up 57 and a future #1 for either one of them. It has to be either a team picking in the top 10 who then gets pushed back in round 2 (SF) or a team without a first round pick (Oakland).

 

[peterforpats]

Say what you will about Pete Carroll, he was a pretty decent coach although too soft for the Pats needs at the time that he inherited the team. It also didn't help that his reign was associated with the terrible drafting of Bobby Grier. Again not excusing it since he had to OK the picks, but he wasn't entirely terrible. And what he's done in Seattle, bringing that team to the playoffs and getting them a playoff win is pretty impressive imo. I think Pete will stick around in Seattle a little longer than he did in NE.

And BTW if he's staying away from Jake Locker it looks like he's getting better scouting this time around. I think Locker has the potential to be one of the all-time busts in this year's draft.

bobby grier= tom brady. that alone makes him o.k.

 

[DW Toys]

From his MMQB:

"1. There's a team in the draft that has a deal on the table -- I'm guessing New England (surprise!) -- with a team trying to come back into the first round. The deal will net the team dealing the first-rounder the following: a second-round pick in 2011 and a first-round pick in 2012. The deal, I hear, is contingent on the player the trade-up team wants still being there. Could it be Tennessee trading into the bottom of the first round, at 28, to get Jake Locker or Andy Dalton? Stay tuned."

Titans' 2nd round pick is 39. Would they really give that up plus a 1 in '12 for 28?

2011 NFL Draft week begins with uncertainty at the top - Peter King - SI.com

What 2012 Draft? Please show me where the new CBA has been done and there will be a Draft as we know it?....Didn't think so.
If BB trades into 2012 then he knows the new CBA is done. If he doesn't know that then the whole Pats F.O. is either asleep or a sucker.
Please prove me wrong.
Riddle me this: If the 2011 season is wiped out, how do they figure out the 2012 Draft?
DW Toys

 

[DW Toys]

It would have to be the 28 I think. There's too much risk for 2012 to be giving up #17.

What 2012 Draft? Please show me where the new CBA has been done and there will be a Draft as we know it? If the 2011 season is wiped out or if the players win and Kessler has his way, how do they figure out the 2012 Draft?
DW Toys

 

[Wilfork#75]

What 2012 Draft? Please show me where the new CBA has been done and there will be a Draft as we know it?....Didn't think so.
If BB trades into 2012 then he knows the new CBA is done. If he doesn't know that then the whole Pats F.O. is either asleep or a sucker.
Please prove me wrong.
Riddle me this: If the 2011 season is wiped out, how do they figure out the 2012 Draft?
DW Toys

What 2012 Draft? Please show me where the new CBA has been done and there will be a Draft as we know it? If the 2011 season is wiped out or if the players win and Kessler has his way, how do they figure out the 2012 Draft?
DW Toys

What 2012 Draft?
DW Toys

What 2012 Draft? Please show me.
DW Toys

Is it really necessary to post the same thing 4 times? To your point, I think the chances of having no draft in 2012 are very slim. Its not in anyones best interest to miss football in 2011 or remove the draft in 2012. The ramifications of this would be immense, so I really don't see it happening. Worst case scenerio I think that Judge Nelson would eventually remove the lockout and play out 2011 under last years rules. So if we got this offer I would take the chances on having a 2012 draft.

Wilfork#75

 

[The Gr8est]

What 2012 Draft? Please show me where the new CBA has been done and there will be a Draft as we know it? If the 2011 season is wiped out or if the players win and Kessler has his way, how do they figure out the 2012 Draft?
DW Toys

It's not that big of a risk. If the draft goes away and total free agency prevails, the Pats would be one of the teams capable of signing top players. They would still get their player.

 

[borg]

Giving up #17 for a #34-#40 2nd rounder plus a #1 in 2012 ....from a crappy team that probably be starting a rookie QB .....I'd do that in a second.
And to take it a step further, the Pats could then try to flip one of their early #2s for another 2012 #1. They could own the top of the 2012 draft.
The team trading would be paying a heavy price and you have to wonder why they wouldn't just get their guy with their #1 pick #4-#10 (The teams I see with most need)

Has anyone else noticed that Condon and CAA represent several mid first round prospects...Watt, A. Smith, Castonza.