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Kevin O'Connel > Cassel

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It was easier than average, but not "ridiculously easy."

And let's not forget that Cassel's play was good enough that the team could have gotten to 13-3.

you can say that every starting QB's play was good enough last year to win a couple of more games....but that's not the point

the point is that like others, I believe is a better QB prospect than cassell
 
why do you assume you know more than anyone?

Why do you deliberately mislead about my posts?

Are you now going to claim that scoring a couple touchdowns against guys who won't make the cut on their teams and will end up with 'normal' jobs is the way to guarantee NFL success with 100% accuracy?

If not, then kindly stop trolling.
 
Because nothing says "Future Hall Of Fame Quarterback" like leading a couple of drives against future grocery baggers.:bricks:



What the hell is going on with this fan base?

Hey genius the point is that O'Connel was the only would to good in preseason. Cassel didn't do good at all and everyone wanted him cut. O'Connel could probably transition alright if we needed him too.

So you're the gold standard of the Pats fanbase? LOL sad
 
Grow up. All of a sudden O'Connell is better. Why? Because you want to convince yourself that this was a good trade.


No, it's because one guy is on the Patriots and one is no longer.
 
Why do you deliberately mislead about my posts?

Are you now going to claim that scoring a couple touchdowns against guys who won't make the cut on their teams and will end up with 'normal' jobs is the way to guarantee NFL success with 100% accuracy?

If not, then kindly stop trolling.

well....you've equated o'connell to davey or klingsbury several times over the lest few months without basis......nothing misleading about that ........in fact, you posts sound more trolling than anyones

all I've ever said (as have others) is that we believe that o'connell is a better QB prospect than cassell and you've ridiculed the opinion........

why?
 
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It's not particularly likely that we'll EVER know whether O'Connell is better than Cassel. Most backups need a bunch of starts to reach their potenial. Most backups never get to play a full year as starters. If Cassel hadn't, we'd still have no idea how good he is.
 
Hey genius the point is that O'Connel was the only would to good in preseason. Cassel didn't do good at all and everyone wanted him cut. O'Connel could probably transition alright if we needed him too.

So you're the gold standard of the Pats fanbase? LOL sad

And his point is that you cannot judge someone based on the preseason. You then say that we shouldn't judge Cassel in the preseason because he was horrible in it and good in the regular season. THEN, you go on to attempt to make the opposite point: that you can judge O'Connell based on the '08 preseason. Brilliant.
 
Remember also, that Brady once showed flashes in preseason.
 
How quickly you forget that we also had a ridiculously easy schedule for a team coming off an 18-1 season and a Super Bowl appearance. Toughen up our schedule a bit (or just give us 2007's schedule) and I don't think we go 11-5.

Kontra, I think our schedule turned out to be much harder than expected due to the resurgence of Miami and NYJ, not to mention those 2 west coast swings.
 
at the end of he preseason O'Connel seemed to be the better QB..although he was with the second string and playing against 2nd string.

i have a feeling this year BB will let him play more in games that are blow outs.
 
O'Connel was the only QB to actually lead our O down the field in the preseason. Cassel was terrible, I am fully confident he could step in

O rly?

Passing Statistics
Player ...Att Comp Yds Comp % Yds/Att TD TD % INT INT % Long Sck Sack/Lost Rating


Matt Gutierrez 45 29 362 64.4 8.0 2 4.4 2 4.4 37 6 44 85.6


Matt Cassel 34 19 165 55.9 4.9 0 0.0 1 2.9 20 4 23 56.6


Kevin O'Connell 32 15 140 46.9 4.4 1 3.1 2 6.3 21 2 8 43.8

Sorry if that doesn't line up.
 
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Quit feeding the trolls. They know O'Connel will be better than Matt Cassel because he was drafted higher. All other QBs we drafted higher than Cassel are irrelevant. Logic is bias.
 
Quit feeding the trolls. They know O'Connel will be better than Matt Cassel because he was drafted higher. All other QBs we drafted higher than Cassel are irrelevant. Logic is bias.

blah, blah, blah.......more nothingness
 
People seem to forget we have O'Connel who I think wil be bettter than Cassel imo.

He might be, but the chance right now is no higher than 5%. The idea that O'Connel is going to be better than Cassel because he was drafted higher is faulty logic of the worst kind.
 
maybe the broncos will trade us their 2nd round pick for oconnel if hes better than cassel (joke) and since they clearly botched the cutler situation
 
Hey genius the point is that O'Connel was the only would to good in preseason. Cassel didn't do good at all and everyone wanted him cut. O'Connel could probably transition alright if we needed him too.

Cassel was playing against players who actually play in the NFL right now. O'Connel wasnt.
 
I expect O'Connel to take almost all of the preseason game snaps with Cassel gone and Tom not worth risking in the preseason. We'll have a better idea of O'Connels skills this summer. ( I know the preseason didn't show us Cassels potential but I still think we know more after 4 preseason games ).
 
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Hey genius the point is that O'Connel was the only would to good in preseason. Cassel didn't do good at all and everyone wanted him cut. O'Connel could probably transition alright if we needed him too.

So you're the gold standard of the Pats fanbase? LOL sad

We used to have gold standards across the board here. Now we have ESPN refugees posting worthless drivel who can't defend their positions with logic because all they have are half assed opinions.

Cassel did exactly what Belichick and McDaniels asked him to in preseason. Bill doesn't play the preseason to win, he plays it to work on installing his offense and seeing who can execute within it. We don't run the pull it out-your-ass offense here... Everyone didn't want Cassel cut, just the kneejerks who couldn't see that because they don't understand or appreciate this system or how you teambuild for championships with discipline.

Gutierrez moved the team in preseason and that got him cut and not even added to the practice squad until after Brady was lost. Because he moved it by freelancing in an effort to make plays in hopes he'd impress the coaches. O'Connell got the #2 position by default... He did the same thing but that's to be expected from a rookie. The book on him coming out of the draft was he had some tools and leadership intangibles but he was very raw and needed lots of development mentally (poor decision making and erratic accuracy) as well as physically (poor footwork and throwing mechanics). Hopefully he's developed over the last 12 months but Gutierrez certainly didn't so whose to say.

4th round draftee Rohan Davey played for Saban at LSU and was an NFLE MVP after his rookie season here. Couldn't run this offense to save his life. Neither could Drew Bledsoe and he was a former #1 draft pick... So far the only guys Belichick's found who could were drafted in the 6th and 7th rounds...after being recruited by big time college programs. As Brady once said he decided if you want to play with the big dogs you gotta compete in the tall grass.

The book on Cassel was he had all the tools which is how he landed at a prestigous powerhouse like USC selected by a pro style HC like Pete Carroll, but in close competition he could never beat out two Heisman winners Carroll also selected... Brady faced a similar situation at Michigan but finally beat out the highly over rated Drew Henson... O'Connell had a tough road to hoe playing for SD State, but then that's who recruited him, not exactly USC or Michigan... Hopefully he works out here, but it's not a slam dunk. The backup job is his to lose this season, which is always the case on a Belichick led team. If he thinks he's arrived because he was #2 in NE last season, he'll be in for a rude awakening. Hopefully that's been explained to him sufficiently. If not you'll see a motivated veteran signed here before camp.
 
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