Just watched the Jets game again

[SVN]

thanks to torrents . my quick thoughts and any ideas are welcome
a)our o line seemed to block much much better with jordan in there. with maroney not so much
b)i know our front 7 got a lot of credit but i think the secondary played better than them. in fact there were a lot of 4-5 yard runs by jones and washington on us.maybe we played not get beat deep on a favre long ball
c)our offensive gameplan basically had just 3 plays, welker screen, out to faulk or morris, or a draw handoff to the RB. i was surprised they hit the welker screen so many times and yet the jets couldnt stop it after the first time.
d)i thought our o line was okay generally but very shaky at the beginning on of the 2nd half , cassel hardly had time to step up and was sacked 2-3 times and also his running habit began to resurface which he usually does when he is very uncomfortable..sometimes our o line gets braincramps like this .
e)cassel threw a couple of balls way way off a receiver. wasnt sure if he was throwing the ball away or missed them badly but they were way off.

i think overall the jets brought as much pressure we might see from any team this yr except maybe pitts so it was interesting to seem them handle it last week.

 

[Bono>Brady>God]

SVN,
a)our o line seemed to block much much better with jordan in there. with maroney not so much


Is it me or does it seem like the OL doesn't hold their blocks as long when Maroney is there s? \

 

[SVN]

SVN,
a)our o line seemed to block much much better with jordan in there. with maroney not so much


Is it me or does it seem like the OL doesn't hold their blocks as long when Maroney is there s? \

someone with a closer techical eye can answer that but it could also be that the jets d was gassed by the time jordan came in so who knows...

 

[Fixit]

SVN,
a)our o line seemed to block much much better with jordan in there. with maroney not so much


Is it me or does it seem like the OL doesn't hold their blocks as long when Maroney is there s? \

It ain't just you; I've been wondering about this since last season. Maroney takes a lot of heat for dancing, but it seems like every time that he gets the ball, he has to avoid a tackler in the backfield just to get back to the line of scrimmage.

 

[spacecrime]

cassel hardly had time to step up and was sacked 2-3 times and also his running habit began to resurface which he usually does when he is very uncomfortable

uncomfortable because three Jets were in the backfield before he finsihed his drop. Was sacked three times almost in a row.

He ran twice, and one of his sacks was an attempt to evade by running but didn't quite get back tothe LOS, so it was technically a sack.

I'm not so concerned about a QB running when the defense is obviously a amjor blitz. Makes the DEs think twice about abandoning contain.

 

[Tunescribe]

It ain't just you; I've been wondering about this since last season. Maroney takes a lot of heat for dancing, but it seems like every time that he gets the ball, he has to avoid a tackler in the backfield just to get back to the line of scrimmage.

I think it's quite conceivable that different kinds of plays are designed and called for Maroney because he's a different style runner. Maroney is more of an instinctual "reading" cut-across-the-grain guy than a quick-hitting straight-ahead back. People criticize him for "dancing," but I've always maintained that he does was he's instructed to do to best maximize his specific skill set.

 

[Box_O_Rocks]

Maroney analysis: Patriots Planet - New England Patriots Forums - View Single Post - The Official is Laurence Maroney a Bust Thred

Jorden analysis: Patriots Planet - New England Patriots Forums - View Single Post - The Official is Laurence Maroney a Bust Thred

 

[Tunescribe]

Maroney analysis: Patriots Planet - New England Patriots Forums - View Single Post - The Official is Laurence Maroney a Bust Thred

Jorden analysis: Patriots Planet - New England Patriots Forums - View Single Post - The Official is Laurence Maroney a Bust Thred

Care to summarize this for us?

 

[Box_O_Rocks]

I think it's quite conceivable that different kinds of plays are designed and called for Maroney because he's a different style runner. Maroney is more of an instinctual "reading" cut-across-the-grain guy than a quick-hitting straight-ahead back. People criticize him for "dancing," but I've always maintained that he does was he's instructed to do to best maximize his specific skill set.

As far as I'm concerned, his "dancing" days are over. He's matured into a very nice and reliable feature RB and has been unfairly criticized for his play against the Jets. The Pats scored on both drives when Maroney was in the game, after he went out it took Meriweather intercepting Lord Favrequad and setting up the offense with a short field to get the next score. You and I had our differences Maroney's rookie year, but Ivan has put the Fears in him and it's all good now.

 

[Box_O_Rocks]

Care to summarize this for us?

Maroney good, Jorden good, Jester run D good, Pats win.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

c)our offensive gameplan basically had just 3 plays, welker screen, out to faulk or morris, or a draw handoff to the RB. i was surprised they hit the welker screen so many times and yet the jets couldnt stop it after the first time.

That's because the Welker screen takes advantage of his best skill--his incredible acceleration. As I've said before, Welker doesn't have anywhere near the fastest 40 time in the league, but I don't know if anyone in the league has a faster split over the first 5-10 yards.

 

[sebman2112]

Maroney analysis: Patriots Planet - New England Patriots Forums - View Single Post - The Official is Laurence Maroney a Bust Thred

Jorden analysis: Patriots Planet - New England Patriots Forums - View Single Post - The Official is Laurence Maroney a Bust Thred

I agree with his analysis, and it's nice to see someone else posting on these forums who can recognize a run blitz.

 

[Box_O_Rocks]

I agree with his analysis, and it's nice to see someone else posting on these forums who can recognize a run blitz.

Are you getting drafted next April?

 

[spacecrime]

Ivan has put the Fears in him

No excuse for this kind of talk

There are standards of conduct in place here, you know

 

[Box_O_Rocks]

No excuse for this kind of talk

There are standards of conduct in place here, you know

Figures your dirty mind would find another meaning.

 

[JSn]

I think we'd have to agree Maroney is our main long-yardage threat to score on the ground. If he gets an open lane he's got a legit shot at escaping downfield, more-so than the hole-punchers.

However, if we need 1-3 yards, he's a bad choice. Jordan's experience and his and Morris' size make them the choices for those situations (on the ground), at least to my mind.

Faulk is a threat in almost every situation and if he runs enough to keep defenses "honest", he's a monster receiving threat. I've heard it said Jordan fits this bill well also. Was that the case with his career thus far?

 

[SVN]

I think we'd have to agree Maroney is our main long-yardage threat to score on the ground. If he gets an open lane he's got a legit shot at escaping downfield, more-so than the hole-punchers.

However, if we need 1-3 yards, he's a bad choice. Jordan's experience and his and Morris' size make them the choices for those situations (on the ground), at least to my mind.

Faulk is a threat in almost every situation and if he runs enough to keep defenses "honest", he's a monster receiving threat. I've heard it said Jordan fits this bill well also. Was that the case with his career thus far?

i remember after the draft shanahan was raving a lot about maroney calling him a special back and had tried to somehow get him as well but could not since they had to pick cutler. i would be very interested how he fares in the denver run blocking system-seems its best suited for his style. i think our running game has changed a little bit since last 2 yrs ago. they seem to want to run maroney or anyone for that matter quite a bit from the shotgun formation which according to them gives them more options and keeps the defense guessing.

 

[BPF]

It ain't just you; I've been wondering about this since last season. Maroney takes a lot of heat for dancing, but it seems like every time that he gets the ball, he has to avoid a tackler in the backfield just to get back to the line of scrimmage.

The O-line is not a problem:
WEEI 850AM Sports Radio - Pats Would Be Wise Not to Overlook Dolphins

The good news for the Patriots is that Koppen, Mankins and Yates have all posted great run blocking numbers. Here are the year-to-date figures for each:

Player
POA runs POA yards YPA POA blocks lost POA win %

Koppen 11 50 4.5 2 81.8%

Mankins 19 74 3.9 1 94.7%

Yates 13 52 4.0 1 92.3%


Any YPA of 4.0 or greater is solid so these three are in good shape there. A POA win percentage of 80% is acceptable and anything over 90% is superb so Mankins and Yates are both doing great in that category. Ferguson will be the biggest test these three have faced this year but the numbers say they should be up to the task.

We just need to continue to run the ball and as the game wears on there will be more room. Light is a super run blocker and Kaczur is solid as well so I don't think the line is to blame.


There is a reason there is more running room in the 4th qtr for RB's, those big guys on D are usually not as fresh as they were in the 1st half. If Maroney was utilized in the 4th qtr like, his former teammate in college, Marion Barber, who led the league last year with 83 carries for 406 yds (4.9 avg, also got his long run of 54 yds in the 4th and 3 TD's) I think he could be more effective. It would also help if Maroney hit the hole as fast and as decisively as Barber does but I think if Maroney starts to experience some success it would build his confidence and he would run with more confidence much like he did at the end of last year. It also seems clear to me that he is the type of back that needs a lot more carries than he is getting to heat up, some backs are just like that.

 

[Deus Irae]

The O-line is not a problem:
WEEI 850AM Sports Radio - Pats Would Be Wise Not to Overlook Dolphins



We just need to continue to run the ball and as the game wears on there will be more room. Light is a super run blocker and Kaczur is solid as well so I don't think the line is to blame.


There is a reason there is more running room in the 4th qtr for RB's, those big guys on D are usually not as fresh as they were in the 1st half. If Maroney was utilized in the 4th qtr like, his former teammate in college, Marion Barber, who led the league last year with 83 carries for 406 yds (4.9 avg, also got his long run of 54 yds in the 4th and 3 TD's) I think he could be more effective. It would also help if Maroney hit the hole as fast and as decisively as Barber does but I think if Maroney starts to experience some success it would build his confidence and he would run with more confidence much like he did at the end of last year. It also seems clear to me that he is the type of back that needs a lot more carries than he is getting to heat up, some backs are just like that.

Jenkins was killing Koppen early on. Not surprisingly, the running game looked less effective at that time. If we could stop blaming Maroney for the poor play of the offensive line, especially when Morris was having the same troubles, we'd be on our way towards understanding the running game a little better. Let's try to remember that both Maroney and Morris averaged better than 5 yards per carry against the Chiefs on 10 carries each, while Jordan's 2 runs in that game were uninspiring.

Maroney is a quality back, but he's not Barry Sanders, so he's not going to beat 2 and 3 offensive linemen that are already in the backfield when he gets the ball.

 

[satz]

Maroney runs against a fresh pumped up defence which is effective compared to Jordan who ran against the same defence after they have been worn down after 2 hrs of playing.