Julio Jones feared out for year

[mgcolby]

You know, if they lose him and drop another game or two, Gonzales might just ask for his release. Though if that were the case, one would figure that KC would be his destination of choice.

I don't get that line of thinking. Outside of the owner there is no one left in KC that was around when TG was traded. KC, looks good and I suspect they will maintain solid play throughout the season, but if your looking to win a SB is Alex Smith and Andy Reid more appealing than TB and BB. Both defenses are playing at a high level. And Dimitroff and BB's relationship would play a huge role.

A fifth or sixth round pick seems more likely to me. And I think NE would be near the top of the list of places he would want to go. GB would make a bunch of sense as well.

 

[mgcolby]

Tony Gonzalez will be nice but he is never going to come up North. But, do they have any good defensive linemen they wont need this year?

Makes sense....cause it is always sunny and warm in KC.

 

[RayClay]

Sorry for him, but i have to say it...Atlanta just lost about 6 players.

 

[Sciz]

https://twitter.com/JasonPhilCole/status/387722521707286529

Word from a Falcons source is that WR Julio Jones broke the screw that was put in his foot in 2011 surgery.

Hmm. Ow!

 

[patsfan-1982]

if they would only trade Justin Blalock or Jonathan Babineaux

 

[RxJock1120]

And there's one big issue when you trade away lots of picks for one top player. If he gets hurt (or would have been a bust), then you're stuck without the top guy and your depth likely sucks.

Or you could just be stuck with 7 second round picks who are complete busts.

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

I am glad he was at least able to play great against Miami and helped beat them,that keeps Miami in second place in the division.

 

[Sciz]

Or you could just be stuck with 7 second round picks who are complete busts.

With the Patriots' equivalent of what the Falcons gave up for Julio Jones (plus two late thirds used in trades), the Patriots drafted Shane Vereen, Stevan Ridley, Marcus Cannon, Malcolm Williams, Dont'a Hightower, Chandler Jones, and Tavon Wilson. I'd say that worked out alright for them.

 

[Deus Irae]

With the Patriots' equivalent of what the Falcons gave up for Julio Jones (plus two late thirds used in trades), the Patriots drafted Shane Vereen, Stevan Ridley, Marcus Cannon, Malcolm Williams, Dont'a Hightower, Chandler Jones, and Tavon Wilson. I'd say that worked out alright for them.

Yeah, and what would that equivalent have yielded from 2006-2009? People here need to stop thinking that BB's way is the only way, because it's clearly not.

Jones is an elite WR, and a great choice to pair with a top young quarterback. It was a good trade for the Falcons. If the Falcons had taken BB's advice, they'd have been battling with the Chiefs over Jon Baldwin.

 

[Froob]

I am glad he was at least able to play great against Miami and helped beat them,that keeps Miami in second place in the division.

Nah he didn't even do that. Fish won that game.

 

[pherein]

I dont know, we have always seen Julio Jones as a bust in NO. He makes some great plays, but hardly dominates games, and is always hurt. He will never be GOAT.
check the years
Julio Jones Injury History

We never understood why he got so much attention. tony gonzalez, is a beast, game changer, and the only reason the Falcons ever had a chance. We respect that man alot. Why we said to cover him.
Yep these guys are the best in the NFL ? err no
Julio Jones & Roddy White Join D-Block - YouTube
Im suprised they rem their routes

 

[Sicilian]

I dont know, we have always seen Julio Jones as a bust in NO. He makes some great plays, but hardly dominates games, and is always hurt. He will never be GOAT.
check the years
Julio Jones Injury History

We never understood why he got so much attention. tony gonzalez, is a beast, game changer, and the only reason the Falcons ever had a chance. We respect that man alot. Why we said to cover him.
Yep these guys are the best in the NFL ? err no
Julio Jones & Roddy White Join D-Block - YouTube
Im suprised they rem their routes

If Jones misses the rest of this year, he'll essentially have the same first three years in the league (injury wise, not performance wise) as Amendola. It does add a wrinkle to those that praise Dmitroff for trading so much to get him. It's the risk you run when you put all your eggs in one basket like that. Once in a while is fine, but there's a reason that strategy cannot sustain a team long term.

 

[BradyFTW!]

Yeah, and what would that equivalent have yielded from 2006-2009? People here need to stop thinking that BB's way is the only way, because it's clearly not.

Jones is an elite WR, and a great choice to pair with a top young quarterback. It was a good trade for the Falcons. If the Falcons had taken BB's advice, they'd have been battling with the Chiefs over Jon Baldwin.

I agree that trading up *can* be the right call, but in this case it's really hard to make that claim. The Falcons gave up a king's ransom to get him; enough that, if he ends up being anything less than Calvin Johnson-esque, it's a debatable-at-best move.

That's not an indictment of the trading-up philosophy (not entirely, anyway). It's more an indictment of how much they gave up, and that they gave all of that up to get a wide receiver.

To answer your question, the Falcons gave up the following: a 1st in year 1, 2nd in year 1, 4th in year 1, a 1st in year 2, and a 4th in year 2.

In 2006-07, for the Patriots, those picks became the following:
2006 1st: Laurence Maroney
2006 2nd: Chad Jackson
2006 4th: Stephen Gostkowski
2007 1st: Brandon Meriweather
2007 4th: traded for Randy Moss

In 2008-2009, they became:
2008 1st: Jerod Mayo (technically their 1st was forfeited due to Spygate, if you want to go that route, but at that point there's no comparison to be made)
2008 2nd: Terrence Wheatley
2008 4th: Jonathan Wilhite
2009 1st: Darius Butler, Brandon Tate, Julian Edelman, and Rob Gronkowski in 2010 (minus #190 in 2010).
Explanation for anyone who doesn't already know it: the Pats traded from 23 to 26, and from 26 down to where they picked Butler. In the process, they accumulated the picks that were used to pick Tate and Edelman, as well as the #44 in 2010. In 2010, #44 was traded along with #190 to get #42 from Oakland, which the Pats used to select Gronk
2009 4nd: Rich Ohrnberger

So even in the Patriots' worst-drafting years, you can make a very compelling case to take either of those hauls over Julio Jones. The 2008/09 group gives you Mayo, Edelman, and Gronk another year later, which is a no-brainer. I'd take Jones over the 06-07 haul, only because Moss fell off so quickly. Maroney, Gostkowski, and Meriweather were all serviceable, starting-caliber pros, though, so when you add those to the fact that one of those picks got Moss to New England, it becomes a very interesting argument.

 

[BradyFTW!]

Alternately, we could look at who Cleveland has picked with the selections that it got from Atlanta. Still far from a perfect comparison, since obviously Atlanta would have picked different players, but an interesting curiosity:

2011 1st: Phil Taylor
2011 2nd: Greg Little
2011 4th: Owen Marecic
2012 1st: Brandon Weeden
2012 4th: used in trade-up to get Trent Richardson

I would rather have Julio Jones than that. It's hard to whiff as badly on consecutive first rounders as the Browns did there, though. Taylor was at least good until he got hurt (and has been pretty decent this year). Weeden was a reprehensible pick from the moment that it was made.

 

[bresna]

I dont know, we have always seen Julio Jones as a bust in NO. He makes some great plays, but hardly dominates games, and is always hurt. He will never be GOAT.
check the years
Julio Jones Injury History

It's weird how they have the Falcons playing 21 games in 2013. Even if they make the Super Bowl as a wildcard team, they still only play 20. I wonder where they come up with 21?

 

[Deus Irae]

The 1-4 Falcons won’t have receiver Julio Jones for the final 11 regular-season games, or for the postseason. In the unlikely event they make it to the postseason.

“Unfortunately, Julio’s appointment with the doctor today confirmed our initial findings,” coach Mike Smith said in a team-issued release. “He is scheduled to have a season-ending procedure on Monday.”

Falcons confirm that Julio Jones is done for the year | ProFootballTalk

 

[Deus Irae]

I agree that trading up *can* be the right call, but in this case it's really hard to make that claim. The Falcons gave up a king's ransom to get him; enough that, if he ends up being anything less than Calvin Johnson-esque, it's a debatable-at-best move.

That's not an indictment of the trading-up philosophy (not entirely, anyway). It's more an indictment of how much they gave up, and that they gave all of that up to get a wide receiver.

To answer your question, the Falcons gave up the following: a 1st in year 1, 2nd in year 1, 4th in year 1, a 1st in year 2, and a 4th in year 2.

In 2006-07, for the Patriots, those picks became the following:
2006 1st: Laurence Maroney
2006 2nd: Chad Jackson
2006 4th: Stephen Gostkowski
2007 1st: Brandon Meriweather
2007 4th: traded for Randy Moss

In 2008-2009, they became:
2008 1st: Jerod Mayo (technically their 1st was forfeited due to Spygate, if you want to go that route, but at that point there's no comparison to be made)
2008 2nd: Terrence Wheatley
2008 4th: Jonathan Wilhite
2009 1st: Darius Butler, Brandon Tate, Julian Edelman, and Rob Gronkowski in 2010 (minus #190 in 2010).
Explanation for anyone who doesn't already know it: the Pats traded from 23 to 26, and from 26 down to where they picked Butler. In the process, they accumulated the picks that were used to pick Tate and Edelman, as well as the #44 in 2010. In 2010, #44 was traded along with #190 to get #42 from Oakland, which the Pats used to select Gronk
2009 4nd: Rich Ohrnberger

So even in the Patriots' worst-drafting years, you can make a very compelling case to take either of those hauls over Julio Jones. The 2008/09 group gives you Mayo, Edelman, and Gronk another year later, which is a no-brainer. I'd take Jones over the 06-07 haul, only because Moss fell off so quickly. Maroney, Gostkowski, and Meriweather were all serviceable, starting-caliber pros, though, so when you add those to the fact that one of those picks got Moss to New England, it becomes a very interesting argument.

First, a team picking at the bottom of the round traded up and got an elite WR rather than standing pat and fighting it out over Jon Baldwin. That's a hell of a good move, and Jones is still only 24 years old.

Second, you're playing games with picks rather than looking at them straight up, which shades your results. The 2009 first, for example, would be the 2009 first. It would not be what was done with it afterwards*. The Patriots were blowing it with their picks from 2006-2009, so bringing in a Julio Jones would have been a great move in that comparison.

*It's the difference between saying the Patriots drafted better than anyone else in 2007 and saying that the Patriots made better use of their draft than anyone else in 2007. The first is not true. The second is true.

 

[AzPatsFan]

Yeah, and what would that equivalent have yielded from 2006-2009? People here need to stop thinking that BB's way is the only way, because it's clearly not.

Jones is an elite WR, and a great choice to pair with a top young quarterback. It was a good trade for the Falcons. If the Falcons had taken BB's advice, they'd have been battling with the Chiefs over Jon Baldwin.

There you go again with the snide, idiotic commentary.

When you have a Superbowl club you patch with draft picks, to keep it in the hunt. Or would you have preferred another AFCCG like 2006?

We traded numerous draft picks for Rosey Colvin, Adalius Thomas. Wes Welker and Randy Moss. among others, as patches for the team. Perhaps you would have preferred to NOT GO TO THE SUPERBOWL, in 2007? Maybe you disliked the 16-0 perfect season? Are you really that dumb?

When you are in rebuild mold as the Patriots have been for four seasons, you utilize your draft picks. Perhaps you didn't notice that BB got a Superbowl invite with a half rebuilt team lacking a Defense, while in rebuild mold? That would make you blind.

 

[Deus Irae]

There you go again with the snide, idiotic commentary...

There was nothing either snide or idiotic about my post, and the rest of your post demonstrates that you posted while having a complete lack of understanding of what the actual subject of the discussion happened to be.

Next time, read the thread before posting.

 

[captain stone]

Tony Gonzalez will be nice but he is never going to come up North. But, do they have any good defensive linemen they wont need this year?

I'd gladly take Jason Snelling off their hands too.