Joe Montana to Steve Young II?

[Brady6]

Obviously pointless to discuss with anyone that has "Brady" in their screenname, but if his 4 quarters in Arizonas home opener against one of the best defenses in the in the NFL were not "exceptional" i dont know what to tell you.

Screen name? What is this 1995 and AOL AIM?

I don't buy plane tickets out of tow. for arguably the best QB in the history of the NFL because his backup QB played 6 good quarters of football before going down with an injury.

 

[WhoaDirty]

Watch what happens if Brissett does okay against Houston then throws 3 TDs against Buffalo.

Suddenly a bunch of people will want to trade Brady AND Garoppolo.

I feel that scenario would be best case scenario. Jimmy G has obviously shown he can play. If Brissett does as well, I think you trade Jimmy for a bunch, ride out Brady's last couple years, and have Brissett as a starter going forward, who has done the Rodgers thing on the bench.

 

[bigballas]

Team would be stupid to not invest in Jimmy beyond 2017. You just don't get rid of a potential franchise QB when your current one only has 2-3 great years left. Absorb the cap hit in 2018, Jimmy becomes starter in 2019.

26 yr old Jimmy > 41 year old Brady.

i respect your option althought i dont have to agree and dont agree. in your case, if you think thats your future you get rid of brady after this year. but from what i've seen i dont know if he's a franchise QB...maybe Brissett is the franchise QB.

Also, when you play the game of "absorbing", you end up like a lot of the other ****ty teams that take on big contracts and are in cap hell trying to field a balanced team like we have. and i'll have to double check, but i think you also have to absorb the 2nd starter salary in 2019 since Brady is signed or you believe we can trade a 41 yo QB.

 

[wolverinejoe80]

so basically these are our options, right?

1. trade jimmy for 1st rounder(maybe even few more extra picks)
2. let jimmy go and let him test FA water(not sure how this works - is this mean we are letting him go with nothing in return?)
3. keep jimmy and give him the best backup QB contract (so give him enough to keep him around and be happy)
4. keep jimmy for top $ and trade brady for 1st round picks
5. keep jimmy and cut brady
6. make brady to take a major paycut to keep jimmy around (since #3 might not be feasible)

just thinking out loud. i'm no expert in these stuff. lol


i vote for #3. but won't mind #1 as long as it's a 1st rounder. i can see #6 can happen if brady wins 5th and just be content. for playing few more years while helping his team's future. but only if he wins 5th which would end the all debate.

 

[Deus Irae]

Your right you didn't say that, I'm just trying to understand how you believe the team will back Brady through 2019 or that his future end hasn't been discussed or planned for.

You should stop putting words in other people's mouths. I've never said that Brady's future hasn't been discussed or planned for. In this thread, I specifically pointed to BB's explanation of the JAG drafting as evidence that such thinking has happened.

He'll be out of the league sooner than later and that's the point. I'm not saying Jimmy is the future but if he shows he can be, which he's looked damn good so far, I'd invest in him quicker than I would 41 year old brady.

He'll be out of the league when he's out of the league, and you don't know when that will be, just as you don't know what BB's decision will be at the QB position come the end of this season, the end of next season, etc... THAT's the point.

 

[letekro]

Young Brady was not a worldbeater, but it was clear VERY early on that he would be at least very good. He had certain things that you cant coach, and dont grow on trees: 1. Elite movement within the pocket 2. Poise 3. Accuracy. Same thing with Grop. You cant trade a young QB with those skills when there is the alternative to trade a 40 year old with a high trade value.

 

[bigballas]

If we package TB/JG together to the right team, we could really build the future.

CLeveland is just the team. they usually have multiple starting QB's

 

[deters]

You should stop putting words in other people's mouths. I've never said that Brady's future hasn't been discussed or planned for. In this thread, I specifically pointed to BB's explanation of the JAG drafting as evidence that such thinking has happened.



He'll be out of the league when he's out of the league, and you don't know when that will be, just as you don't know what BB's decision will be at the QB position come the end of this season, the end of next season, etc... THAT's the point.

I don't know when he will be out of the league just like I dont know when I'll die, but just like every day I live im closer to death, every season he plays he's closer to retirement. BB knows this, TB knows this. BB will make a move when he knows the upside outweighs the downside just like he did with many players in the past that were fan and team favorites here.

 

[Soul_Survivor88]

Young Brady was not a worldbeater, but it was clear VERY early on that he would be at least very good. He had certain things that you cant coach, and dont grow on trees: 1. Elite movement within the pocket 2. Poise 3. Accuracy. Same thing with Grop. You cant trade a young QB with those skills when there is the alternative to trade a 40 year old with a high trade value.

I totally agree....Jimmy is showing a lot of promise. I truly feel he's going to be a franchise quarterback in the NFL....but the chances the he'll be OUR quarterback are very very slim.

Have to wait and see....

 

[Froob]

People are really already pegging Brissett as Steve Young? He's good but, he's not in the same class as Garoppollo, Steve Young and Montana.

 

[Brady6]

Young Brady was not a worldbeater, but it was clear VERY early on that he would be at least very good. He had certain things that you cant coach, and dont grow on trees: 1. Elite movement within the pocket 2. Poise 3. Accuracy. Same thing with Grop. You cant trade a young QB with those skills when there is the alternative to trade a 40 year old with a high trade value.

No he just won 3 Super Bowls in his first 5 years a starter. Garoppolo has won 1 game as a starter.

You need to slow your roll. You must be a car dealers dream with you emotional high purchases.

 

[wolverinejoe80]

Young Brady was not a worldbeater, but it was clear VERY early on that he would be at least very good. He had certain things that you cant coach, and dont grow on trees: 1. Elite movement within the pocket 2. Poise 3. Accuracy. Same thing with Grop. You cant trade a young QB with those skills when there is the alternative to trade a 40 year old with a high trade value.

i believe every word you said. but again, matt flynn situation scares me
Matt Flynn Throws 480 Yards, 6 Touchdowns: What Teams Are Interested in QB?

and boy he looked pretty darned good against us. not saying jimmy g is matt flynn, but sample size is too small to give him top 10 QB money. i know some other teams may do it, but we shouldn't.

 

[heavyde050]

Why draft Kevin O'Connell in the third when Brady was in his prime, why Mallett in the third when Brady was still going strong? Thats what the Patriots do. It is partially about hedging bets, I agree. I jist think they know what they have in Jmmy and his career is projectable. Jacoby, he is raw. I think it would be a foolish risk to trade away a young QB that looks like Garoppalo in exchange for a 40 year old and a project.

I don't know what to say. Based on probabilities I just find it hard to believe in the camp that thinks Jimmy G is going to take over for Brady and lead the Pats to another 4 or 5 Super Bowls. Brady is a once in a generation talent.
Jimmy G is going to be a good, possibly a great starting QB, but I am just not one to project him to be a HoF after a couple games.
And if we are going to talk about current play, I am truly believe that the level Brady played at last year (as a 38 year old) was higher than what Jimmy is playing at now. It is entirely possible (though not probable) that Tom as a 39 year old is not good anymore. I just don't believe that. I think for both this year and next year (the length of Jimmy's contract) that Tom gives the Pats the best chance to win the Super Bowl.

 

[Brady6]

I don't know when he will be out of the league just like I dont know when I'll die, but just like every day I live im closer to death, every season he plays he's closer to retirement. BB knows this, TB knows this. BB will make a move when he knows the upside outweighs the downside just like he did with many players in the past that were fan and team favorites here.

I think they like Brissett a lot and I also think he has even more upside than Garoppolo. He is bigger, strong, has a better arm, and is more athletic. He reminds me a lot of Roethlisberger.

 

[Deus Irae]

I don't know when he will be out of the league just like I dont know when I'll die, but just like every day I live im closer to death, every season he plays he's closer to retirement. BB knows this, TB knows this. BB will make a move when he knows the upside outweighs the downside just like he did with many players in the past that were fan and team favorites here.

You've gone from "Brady is likely gone by 2018" and "26 yr old Jimmy > 41 year old Brady." to "BB will make a move when the upside outweighs the downside". That's good. I feel as if I've accomplished something here. So...

Back to Godzilla movie marathon

 

[letekro]

i believe every word you said. but again, matt flynn situation scares me
Matt Flynn Throws 480 Yards, 6 Touchdowns: What Teams Are Interested in QB?

and boy he looked pretty darned good against us. not saying jimmy g is matt flynn, but sample size is too small to give him top 10 QB money. i know some other teams may do it, but we shouldn't.

Lord, dont pay him yet. Luckily, they dont have to make that decision until seeing him play all next year.

 

[Froob]

No he just won 3 Super Bowls in his first 5 years a starter. Garoppolo has won 1 game as a starter.

You need to slow your roll. You must be a car dealers dream with you emotional high purchases.

Garoppolo won a Super Bowl without evening playing. Image how many he'll win when he's a starter.

 

[letekro]

I think they like Brissett a lot and I also think he has even more upside than Garoppolo. He is bigger, strong, has a better arm, and is more athletic. He reminds me a lot of Roethlisberger.

Lets assume you are correct. Two young stud QBs are even better than one. Trade Brady next year for 2 1sts and then do the same thing with Grop or Brissett a couple years later. Then sit back and enjoy the next dynasty.

 

[letekro]

Froob on fire as per usual. Lol

 

[deters]

You've gone from "Brady is likely gone by 2018" and "26 yr old Jimmy > 41 year old Brady." to "BB will make a move when the upside outweighs the downside". That's good. I feel as if I've accomplished something here. So...

Back to Godzilla movie marathon

BB could trade him or cut tomorrow. TB could die in a car accident on his way to the Cleveland game. Nobody can predict the future but the likely hood of the team making tough decisions or at least telling ones for the 2018 season are EXTREMELY high. Dance around it all you want but there will be a day TB isnt our QB and it's coming fast.