NFL News Is Justin Tucker Deshaun Watson2.0?

[XLIX]

I'm wondering how you know this? Where has this actually been weaponized against an innocent person, destroying their career/life?

You're proving my point: There is no way to know when it has been used against an innocent person or against a guilty person. I can certainly think of a fairly recent attempt to completely destroy a man based on a decades old accusation where the accuser couldn't remember when or where the alleged assault happened but we're all supposed to just believe her anyway. Many people still do.

Like I said above: There is a reason we have Statutes of Limitations in this country. It isn't so guilty men go free, it is so innocent men don't get punished for crimes they didn't commit.

 

[Vindicate]

You're proving my point: There is no way to know when it has been used against an innocent person or against a guilty person. I can certainly think of a fairly recent attempt to completely destroy a man based on a decades old accusation where the accuser couldn't remember when or where the alleged assault happened but we're all supposed to just believe her anyway. Many people still do.

Like I said above: There is a reason we have Statutes of Limitations in this country. It isn't so guilty men go free, it is so innocent men don't get punished for crimes they didn't commit.

That's not an argument, I could say the same thing about... Well, anything! All this hysteria about the dangers of! just feels entirely fabricated to get us mad. It's much easier to find examples of retaliatory punishment for coming forward.

 

[PancakeBlockPaul]

This only came out because they want our minds off the ball washing refs being on the Chiefs payroll.
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[XLIX]

That's not an argument, I could say the same thing about... Well, anything!

We are not talking about "anything" we are talking about the criminal justice system as well as civil courts of law.

I don't know where you live, but the country I live in has a policy that people accused of crimes are presumed innocent until proven guilty. However, the unfortunate reality is that some crimes lead people to presume guilt until someone proves themselves innocent. But it is an unfair burden to prove innocence from literally a decade+ ago.

The above is all independent of the Tucker situation. He may very well be guilty but innocent or guilty, the damage is done.

 

[Vindicate]

We are not talking about "anything" we are talking about the criminal justice system as well as civil courts of law.

I don't know where you live, but the country I live in has a policy that people accused of crimes are presumed innocent until proven guilty. However, the unfortunate reality is that some crimes lead people to presume guilt until someone proves themselves innocent. But it is an unfair burden to prove innocence from literally a decade+ ago.

The above is all independent of the Tucker situation. He may very well be guilty but innocent or guilty, the damage is done.

What damage!? The man is still rich, the man will still be revered in Baltimore, this is what I'm getting at.

Furthermore, you can disingenously take my argument all you want, but yes - the entire premise of your argument rested on "There is no way to know when it has been used against an innocent person or against a guilty person" - which conveniently cedes there's no way to argue against it lol.

You can toss all this "I don't know where live, but the country I live in" **** at me as if fluffy rhetoric makes your point, but the real unfortunate reality is how often times, speaking up can lead to retaliation that carries larger penalties than Tucker will ever face. I'm not gonna say the inverse doesn't happen, because it's infantile to argue in absolutism, but it does not happen as much as your argument is making it seem.

 

[TinhWoodhead]

mods please add his first name

edit: thanks, mod

 

[XLIX]

What damage!?

If you don’t think the man’s reputation is already damaged then you need to pay better attention.

You can toss all this "I don't know where live, but the country I live in" **** at me as if fluffy rhetoric

It’s pretty sad that you consider one of the most fundamental freedoms we Americans have to be “fluffy rhetoric”.

You’re only showing your own bankrupt morality at this point.

 

[Vindicate]

If you don’t think the man’s reputation is already damaged then you need to pay better attention.

It’s pretty sad that you consider one of the most fundamental freedoms we Americans have to be “fluffy rhetoric”.

Your only showing your own bankrupt morality at this point.

You're conjuring up ghosts of different arguments for you to swing at. Dunno what else I can really say as this seems to be a dialogue with yourself. Kinda just reinforcing my whole point lol. Annnyyywayyyy, moving on.

 

[XLIX]

You're conjuring up ghosts of different arguments for you to swing at. Dunno what else I can really say as this seems to be a dialogue with yourself. Kinda just reinforcing my whole point lol. Annnyyywayyyy, moving on.

Blah blah blah.

There’s a reason we, as a society, have Statutes of Limitations.

 

[lancerman]

If you don’t think the man’s reputation is already damaged then you need to pay better attention.

It’s pretty sad that you consider one of the most fundamental freedoms we Americans have to be “fluffy rhetoric”.

You’re only showing your own bankrupt morality at this point.

You can't conflate the standards of the legal system with the standards of public opinion.

Based on your logic if some celebrity raped your mother 30 years ago and she didn't want to go public because of the way the culture was and how lionized the figure was and knew she would be railroaded then after many years and the climate changing decided to go public, she should just keep her mouth shut because it hurts the man's reputation and he'll have trouble defending yourself.

That's the problem with your logic, if the allegations are true you are still putting the onus on the victim to coddle the perpetrator out of some sense of fairness that they were denied. You don't see the moral problem with that?

So I'll ask you a simple question, would you ask an actual rape victim to NOT go forward with telling the truth of what happened in their lives because too much time passed and even though it happened their is no longer enough evidence for the rapist to defend themselves? Moral question.

Blah blah blah.

There’s a reason we, as a society, have Statutes of Limitations.

No society does not have a statue of limitation. The legal system has one. The reason being because the legal system can deprive someone of their freedom. Your reputation is based off how people in general view your character. If they find someone alleging something about you credible and don't find your defense credible they can use that to characterize their views, same way literally everything else in society works.

 

[BennyBledsoe]

I'd worry the Ravens will send Ray Lewis. Dude knows how to at least cover up a murder or two. If not do more....

 

[lancerman]

Ravens’ Justin Tucker faces new allegations from 3 massage therapists

3 more. Wow there must be some conspiracy of massage therapists all out to get Tucker. Didn't know they were so dangerous. Maybe Watson and Kraft were set up too...

Edit: also one of these includes a letter a therapist signed and dated to her therapist back when it happened in 2015. So it's not some new thing she is alleging that she didn't come forward with before.

 

[Jim Beankie]

Lol

Mt ComeMore

 

[Jim Beankie]

You can't conflate the standards of the legal system with the standards of public opinion.

Based on your logic if some celebrity raped your mother 30 years ago and she didn't want to go public because of the way the culture was and how lionized the figure was and knew she would be railroaded then after many years and the climate changing decided to go public, she should just keep her mouth shut because it hurts the man's reputation and he'll have trouble defending yourself.

That's the problem with your logic, if the allegations are true you are still putting the onus on the victim to coddle the perpetrator out of some sense of fairness that they were denied. You don't see the moral problem with that?

So I'll ask you a simple question, would you ask an actual rape victim to NOT go forward with telling the truth of what happened in their lives because too much time passed and even though it happened their is no longer enough evidence for the rapist to defend themselves? Moral question.



No society does not have a statue of limitation. The legal system has one. The reason being because the legal system can deprive someone of their freedom. Your reputation is based off how people in general view your character. If they find someone alleging something about you credible and don't find your defense credible they can use that to characterize their views, same way literally everything else in society works.

I have to briefly wake from my patsfans hibernation to say that your posts on this are so well thought out and ridiculously spot on. Well done.

 

[Betterthanmost]

I am sure Tony Buzbee is salivating and desperately contacting these massage therapists...

 

[bormio]

It’s the Ravens. I am going to thoroughly enjoy this

 

[denverpatsfan]

It’s the Ravens. I am going to thoroughly enjoy this

Too bad they didn't make the Super Bowl. That would have been even better.

 

[NE_Zealot]

Too bad they didn't make the Super Bowl. That would have been even better.

They won’t as long as #8 is under center.

 

[RobertWeathers]

That might explain why he had - by his standards an off year.

7 more massage therapists accuse Ravens’ Justin Tucker of inappropriate sexual behavior

The new accusers provided similar details about Baltimore Ravens kicker Justin Tucker that The Baltimore Banner had not previously reported.

www.thebaltimorebanner.com

 

[PWRxWLF]

That might explain why he had - by his standards an off year.

7 more massage therapists accuse Ravens’ Justin Tucker of inappropriate sexual behavior

The new accusers provided similar details about Baltimore Ravens kicker Justin Tucker that The Baltimore Banner had not previously reported.

www.thebaltimorebanner.com

This has been out there for a while. The list just keeps growing so the story keeps resurfacing.