Is Caldwell done?

[frankiesfly]

Caldwell was done before he came to the Pats. He couldnt beat out the washed up Keenan Mcardell for a job in Sandiego. Caldwell was a cheap investment for the Pats for one season because of the Branch situation. Now that the Pats got the one season from him they wanted, he will not play this season. The Pats made these off season investments to not have a guy like Reche out on the field. I dont know what everyone sees in Reche but i think he sucks. He will be lucky to be on the team for insurance reasons only, if one of our recievers gets injured. When we needed someone to step up in the playoffs it was the young Jabar Gaffney not Reche the one some of you Pats fans think is so great.

 

[Kdo5]

Caldwell was done before he came to the Pats. He couldnt beat out the washed up Keenan Mcardell for a job in Sandiego. Caldwell was a cheap investment for the Pats for one season because of the Branch situation. Now that the Pats got the one season from him they wanted, he will not play this season. The Pats made these off season investments to not have a guy like Reche out on the field. I dont know what everyone sees in Reche but i think he sucks. He will be lucky to be on the team for insurance reasons only, if one of our recievers gets injured. When we needed someone to step up in the playoffs it was the young Jabar Gaffney not Reche the one some of you Pats fans think is so great.

Caldwell didnt play well in the Chargers game? He had 7 rec for some 80 yards and the biggest reception of the season by any Pats player.

McCardell was old but not washed up. He was still doing a good job when Caldwell was in San Diego. Dont make an excuse because he is old, therefore he must be washed up. When he played 16 games with the Chargers he had 70 receptions in 2004. So please, give me a break.

And the real reason Caldwell was unsucessfull in San Diego was because he was battling injuries his whole time there. I believe he also did something to his ACL, tore it or sprained it. Dont know which. And when he plays all 16 with the Pats he is a completely different player. A better player.

You may kiss Jabar's ball sack for two dynamite performances in the playoffs, but thats not enough to prove to me that he is any better than Reche is. Face it, Gaffney didnt do anything to note in the regular season. Reche contributed in ALL 19 games we played and worked his ass off.

You simply hate him. You just dont like him and no matter how hard he works or how productive he is, your thoughts will never be changed unless he pulls out a 1000 yard season will they?

 

[bradmahn]

Caldwell was done before he came to the Pats. He couldnt beat out the washed up Keenan Mcardell for a job in Sandiego. Caldwell was a cheap investment for the Pats for one season because of the Branch situation. Now that the Pats got the one season from him they wanted, he will not play this season. The Pats made these off season investments to not have a guy like Reche out on the field. I dont know what everyone sees in Reche but i think he sucks. He will be lucky to be on the team for insurance reasons only, if one of our recievers gets injured. When we needed someone to step up in the playoffs it was the young Jabar Gaffney not Reche the one some of you Pats fans think is so great.

I didn't see Jabar make the 50 yard catch to set up the game winning field goal in San Diego. They both played well in the playoffs, but some fans refuse to admit that Caldwell was huge in the SD game. Without him there wouldn't even have been a chance to play Indy in the AFCCG.

 

[Haterproof]

Caldwell was done before he came to the Pats. He couldnt beat out the washed up Keenan Mcardell for a job in Sandiego. Caldwell was a cheap investment for the Pats for one season because of the Branch situation. Now that the Pats got the one season from him they wanted, he will not play this season. The Pats made these off season investments to not have a guy like Reche out on the field. I dont know what everyone sees in Reche but i think he sucks. He will be lucky to be on the team for insurance reasons only, if one of our recievers gets injured. When we needed someone to step up in the playoffs it was the young Jabar Gaffney not Reche the one some of you Pats fans think is so great.

Reche didn't suck when he made the catch that won us the game in San Diego.

 

[Kdo5]

I didn't see Jabar make the 50 yard catch to set up the game winning field goal in San Diego. They both played well in the playoffs, but some fans refuse to admit that Caldwell was huge in the SD game. Without him there wouldn't even have been a chance to play Indy in the AFCCG.

Thats exactly what I try to say but some of the Caldwell haters chose to ignore the facts. They are completely ignorant.

 

[bradmahn]

Thats exactly what I try to say but some of the Caldwell haters chose to ignore the facts. They are completely ignorant.

kdo, I hear ya.

 

[frankiesfly]

Reche didn't suck when he made the catch that won us the game in San Diego.

You're right "that" catch.

 

[VJCPatriot]

Caldwell won't be cut.

Next question.

Nobody knows that. I think that Caldwell will be given a chance to compete just like the others. But if he gets beat out then he has a chance to get cut, especially with that 2M salary.

I'm not going to sit here and vilify Caldwell, although I am still pretty bitter about his big time drops in the AFCCG. He was solid for us in the regular season. But that's the REGULAR season.

The Pats are stacking the deck big time and spending the bucks because our goal is a RING, not to look good in the regular season. So I can see Caldwell getting a pink ticket IF he doesn't look good in training camp and with his recent playoff history.

 

[Rob0729]

Once again, folks are getting too caught up in salary cap mechanics.

For a team with a healthy long term salary cap situation (i.e. the Patriots), the only cap number that matters in the long run is total cash out the door.

If the Patriots run into salary cap difficulty while the rule of 51 is in effect (very unlikely), they can restructure some money from 2008 using any of a dozen players' contracts. Then, at the end of the season, they can use LTBEs to send any unused money back into 2008.

People need to remember that the cap is just an accounting mechanism, and its intricacies only become important when you run out of maneuvering room. (With the possible exception of the cash cap, which had no impact on individual teams in 2006, the first year it was applicable).

Great! Save $1.4 million this year and weaken the team so they can push it forward to next year. Brilliant!!!! It's not about winning a Super Bowl, it is about cap management. Who wants to win a Super Bowl when we can cut a bunch of players and push their cap money into next year.

The Pats as of right now are projected to be $24 million or so under next year's cap according to Miguel. Note that that number includes a $6.4 million dollar cap hit for Stallworth next year which will never happen. That also includes a $7.3 million cap hit for Colvin in the last year of his deal which will most likely be renegotiated. That includes $3.7 million for Rodney Harrison which will probably not be kept either. That includes a $821k cap hit for Marquis Hill who probably won't last through the first cut in camp this year. The Pats will have plenty of cap room (potentially more than this year) without pushing any money forward. Why would they do a move with Caldwell when he is more valuable to the team on the roster rather than being cut.

I understand the cap and how it works very well. The Pats never ever cut players just to push money forward. They will manipulate the cap to push money forward or back, but they won't cut a player just to push $1.4 million into next year. If that is your best reason to cut Caldwell, you might want to buy a Caldwell jersey now since he will be on the team next year.

 

[frankiesfly]

Caldwell didnt play well in the Chargers game? He had 7 rec for some 80 yards and the biggest reception of the season by any Pats player.

McCardell was old but not washed up. He was still doing a good job when Caldwell was in San Diego. Dont make an excuse because he is old, therefore he must be washed up. When he played 16 games with the Chargers he had 70 receptions in 2004. So please, give me a break.

And the real reason Caldwell was unsucessfull in San Diego was because he was battling injuries his whole time there. I believe he also did something to his ACL, tore it or sprained it. Dont know which. And when he plays all 16 with the Pats he is a completely different player. A better player.

You may kiss Jabar's ball sack for two dynamite performances in the playoffs, but thats not enough to prove to me that he is any better than Reche is. Face it, Gaffney didnt do anything to note in the regular season. Reche contributed in ALL 19 games we played and worked his ass off.

You simply hate him. You just dont like him and no matter how hard he works or how productive he is, your thoughts will never be changed unless he pulls out a 1000 yard season will they?

Im not to Jabar crazy either, but would choose him to play over Reche if i had to pick. What player doesnt have a big game against the team that dropped them? So what if Jabar wasnt the one who caught that pass to help the Pats seal there win in Sandiego. I'll take the the reciever who gets open on 3rd and long to keep drives alive before Reche and his one famous catch.

 

[Rob0729]

Nobody knows that. I think that Caldwell will be given a chance to compete just like the others. But if he gets beat out then he has a chance to get cut, especially with that 2M salary.

I'm not going to sit here and vilify Caldwell, although I am still pretty bitter about his big time drops in the AFCCG. He was solid for us in the regular season. But that's the REGULAR season.

The Pats are stacking the deck big time and spending the bucks because our goal is a RING, not to look good in the regular season. So I can see Caldwell getting a pink ticket IF he doesn't look good in training camp and with his recent playoff history.

This doesn't make sense. He has a good regular season and the first two playoff games and people want to cut him because of two dropped balls. Then call for Brady getting cut too. He has played key roles in our last two playoff losses. We can't afford to have a QB who is going to throw costly and stupid interceptions that help to eliminate us from the playoffs in two concecutive seasons. There is more reason to cut Brady. If he didn't throw two stupid picks, one to Champ Bailey and the other to Marlon Jackson, we might be celebrating our fourth Super Bowl win in a row.

See how stupid this arguement is for cutting a play based on one performance.

 

[Rob0729]

Im not to Jabar crazy either, but would choose him to play over Reche if i had to pick. What player doesnt have a big game against the team that dropped them? So what if Jabar wasnt the one who caught that pass to help the Pats seal there win in Sandiego. I'll take the the reciever who gets open on 3rd and long to keep drives alive before Reche and his one famous catch.

And I don't want a QB who throws stupid interceptions right to defenders in key situations in the playoffs. That is why I am calling for the Matt Cassel era to begin. Come on! Are you with me? Let's get rid of every guy who plays solid football and then has a bad game in a playoff loss. Brady needs to go.

Actually, Addai and Rhodes ran over Seymour pretty well too. Maybe we should get rid of him? And Vrabel gave up a couple big plays to Dallas Clark. Cut him too!

 

[Sean Pa Patriot]

Lets put the wr situation in perspective

Stallworth - Lock

Welker - Lock

Washington- Semi Lock, but could be another David Terell , and stink the joint up in camp

Jackson will be PUP or IR, which there are too many conflicting reports of the knee..

Caldwell/Gaffney- I would like to see a full training camp by Gaffney, and Caldwell would be a good third or fourth wr

The rest are gone, I think Troy Brown retires...

 

[Rob0729]

By the way, Caldwell converted a lot of third and longs this season. Caldwell converted 15 of 18 receptions on third down this year for first downs. He had 9 of them of over six yards.

 

[Deus Irae]

Caldwell is not even remotely close to being one of the top 43 receivers in the league. Prior to last season his career high was 28 receptions for 352 yards.

The only reason he had half way decent stats (40th best in the league) in 2006, is that he was Tom Brady's main target. Other receivers are giving up large sums of money just for the OPPORTUNITY to show what they could do in that role.

You can't take the 2005 salary of the 43rd best receiver in the league (probably one of the better #2s) and apply it to Caldwell who is a #3 receiver at best.

You simply do not know what you are talking about.

Go ahead and complain that I've called you on your ignorance, but when you trot out stupid ideas like Ben Watson not being worth $600K/yr, you just dig yourself in deeper.

Do you ever even think before you post? Seemingly every time you insult others, you do so with a mistake. It's almost uncanny.

1.) Watson, for example, cost more than 600k/year with all the added bonuses. He'll cost over a million this season, and cost even more last year than he will this year, according to Miguel's salary cap page. Caldwell was a half million dollars cheaper than Watson last season, FYI.

2.) To argue that the only reason he got so many catches is that he was Brady's #1 target is both asinine and incorrect. Brady's #1 target was Watson. Caldwell ended up with more catches because Watson got hurt. Furthermore, the only reason that ANY receiver gets as many catches as he does is because the quarterback throws him the ball.

3.) To argue that Caldwell is "at best" a #3 receiver is only opinion, and one that was proven wrong this season. Whether or not you like the man, he clearly proved that he's a capable #2 receiver in the Patriots offense.


Honestly, it's almost as if you're trying for the "most errors on a thread" award.

 

[Rob0729]

Lets put the wr situation in perspective

Stallworth - Lock

Welker - Lock

Washington- Semi Lock, but could be another David Terell , and stink the joint up in camp

Jackson will be PUP or IR, which there are too many conflicting reports of the knee..

Caldwell/Gaffney- I would like to see a full training camp by Gaffney, and Caldwell would be a good third or fourth wr

The rest are gone, I think Troy Brown retires...

I think Caldwell starts the season as a starter. Welker needs to prove he can play consistently outside the slot receiver position before they let him start. But then again, the Pats may use a three WR set as their base offense this upcoming season. Welker can block and they might use him in motion to block in the backfield on running downs.

Gaffney could steal the starting job from Caldwell, but I think it is Caldwell's to lose.

 

[Sean Pa Patriot]

Caldwell had a great camp last yr, but struggled out of the gate.. He did a solid job, and would like to see both he and Gaffney on the team.. But like I said Gaffney has a full offseason to show his stuff as well.. We shall see. but I like the competition..

 

[Kdo5]

Im not to Jabar crazy either, but would choose him to play over Reche if i had to pick. What player doesnt have a big game against the team that dropped them? So what if Jabar wasnt the one who caught that pass to help the Pats seal there win in Sandiego. I'll take the the reciever who gets open on 3rd and long to keep drives alive before Reche and his one famous catch.

Why, why would you take Gaffney over Caldwell. Give me three good reasons that dont involve 2 dropped balls. Gaffney drops them too. I was at the Texans game when Brady hit him right in the hands on a long bomb and he dropped it. The only difference is the game that the drop was in. Want reasons as to why Caldwell is better than Gaffney and should not be cut?

1. Caldwell is faster than Gaffney.

2. Brady's favorite target is Caldwell, NOT Gaffney.

3. Caldwell was productive the entire season and he DID convert plenty of third downs. He wasnt a world beater early on but when he did catch the ball early in the season, lots were for first downs.

4. Caldwell is a better deep threat. 60 yard TD against the Titans, 50 yard TD against the Packers, 40 yard pass against the Chargers.

And I find your excuse for Caldwell doing a great job in the Chargers game absolutely pathetic. Every person who goes up against his former team plays great against them. Ever stop to think that Caldwell stepped up to play great in that game? Or is there some almighty force that predetermined Caldwell would play that well against his former team?

 

[Sean Pa Patriot]

Why, why would you take Gaffney over Caldwell. Give me three good reasons that dont involve 2 dropped balls. Gaffney drops them too. I was at the Texans game when Brady hit him right in the hands on a long bomb and he dropped it. The only difference is the game that the drop was in. Want reasons as to why Caldwell is better than Gaffney and should not be cut?

1. Caldwell is faster than Gaffney.

2. Brady's favorite target is Caldwell, NOT Gaffney.

3. Caldwell was productive the entire season and he DID convert plenty of third downs. He wasnt a world beater early on but when he did catch the ball early in the season, lots were for first downs.

4. Caldwell is a better deep threat. 60 yard TD against the Titans, 50 yard TD against the Packers, 40 yard pass against the Chargers.

And I find your excuse for Caldwell doing a great job in the Chargers game absolutely pathetic. Every person who goes up against his former team plays great against them. Ever stop to think that Caldwell stepped up to play great in that game? Or is there some almighty force that predetermined Caldwell would play that well against his former team?

Gaffney had some deep balls thrown to him last yr, like the Houston game, and had some dropped.. Im torn between the 2 of them, I want both on the team..

 

[Kdo5]

Gaffney had some deep balls thrown to him last yr, like the Houston game, and had some dropped.. Im torn between the 2 of them, I want both on the team..

And both will be on the team, Sean, as long as they do solid in training camp. They are hard workers and I am sure they will do fine. Here is how I see the Depth Chart at WR next year.

1. Donte Stallworth
2. Reche Caldwell
3. Wes Welker
4 and 5. Jabar Gaffney or Kelley Washington, not sure.
Jackson starts out on PUP.