If you needed to win just ONE game...

[PatsBoy12]

I'm trying to figure out why Broncos fans would be interested in discussing that, or why you would be interested in discussing it with them.

Yeah, I had that thought too. Why do they even care?

 

[AvocadoIceCream]

ONE game?!

Give me Brady and the 0-16 Bucs roster

 

[Froob]

I agree with you. The 08 team was really good despite missing Brady. The 09 team was pretty damn bad despite having him. Clone these guys and put them on a neutral playing site and the 08 team wins by 20.

That 2008 defense was probably the worst in the Belichick era aside from maybe 2002. Horrific pass defense.

 

[jah]

That 2008 defense was probably the worst in the Belichick era aside from maybe 2002. Horrific pass defense.

2011, 2012?

 

[jmt57]

Manning HGH turned to Brady v Manning turned to 2008 Brady-less Pats vs 2011 Manning-less Colts. And I like to hear from people who don't pretty much agree with everything I say. I have to actually argue in favor of the Patriots there. Here I'm just preachin to the choir

That 2011 Colts team was destined to be no more than a 4-5 win team at the very most, even with Manning.

The cupboard was bare.

Their team sanked and tanked. The Patriots on the other hand still had major pieces from an 18-win team.

The concept that the 2011 Colts vs the 2008 Patriots is a valid comparison of Manning versus Brady is ludicrous, based on the other 52 players.

 

[A Defiant Goose]

These were not the results I expected haha. Although after further rethinking I could be swayed for the 2009 team. That their last game was a miserable playoff rout maybe has clouded my judgment

 

[A Defiant Goose]

That 2011 Colts team was destined to be no more than a 4-5 win team at the very most, even with Manning.

The cupboard was bare.

Their team sanked and tanked. The Patriots on the other hand still had major pieces from an 18-win team.

The concept that the 2011 Colts vs the 2008 Patriots is a valid comparison of Manning versus Brady is ludicrous, based on the other 52 players.

Oh I totally agree. It's really not a fair comparison, a fair comparison would be the performance of the 2005 Colts had they gone Manning less for the year. Only a year removed from his best season in Indy. Comparing 2011 Indy when the Colts were clearly in decline to prime hot **** 2007 and beyond New England is way off base

 

[nabwong]

I remember the 2009 defense failing us far too many times in the fourth quarter of an away game to put trust into the 2009 team as a whole

That saints game. Just brutal. We were powerless. I think it was worse than the 2014 chiefs game in terms of just being exposed that even on our best day that season, we didn't belong in the same zip code.

 

[1960Pats]

I like the sentiment but I might take Ryan Tannehill and the Crimson Tide over Tom Brady leading the Point of View Elementary School Panthers. There's definitely a limit

The poll is between two Pats teams and I was talking about pro teams, but you do bring up an interesting point. Exactly how bad of a team could Brady overcome?

In the pros he'd be the difference on every team but still might have trouble with some teams. Could he take the Jets to victory in one game for it all?