If patriots lose out, Travis Hunter could be theirs

[patman12]

And if they can't block they'll still suck.

They need an offensive line, weapons be damned.

Guess it really depends on how FA pans out. If they can sign a proven, starting LT then maybe they go Hunter in the draft.

If they get Maye a true #1 WR in FA, then they may trade down and get more draft capital to get a LT, LT and CB.

 

[patman52]

Hunter isn't a #1 wide receiver and cornerback isn't a priority in the first round. I'd rather take a tackle or the receiver from Arizona.

CB is certainly a priority. Jones is slipping and is a FA. Hunter is Ideal. And I have no Idea why you think Hunter could not be a #1 if he concentrated on that. he is top 3 coming out this year and he played 50 snaps at corner every game. Let him go all out on the O side of the ball and I think he will be right there. This team sucks, We have needs at edge, LT, corner and Wr. with this many holes you take best player on the board and that is Hunter. It is not like any of these LT are predicted to be pro-bowl type talents. I would not be surprised to see none taken in the first ten picks.

 

[Tunescribe]

Wrong. If Ryland hits that kick, they don't have Maye. What then? Yeah...crap.

Here is where your fanboy draft fantasy nonsense evades credibility: Ryland didn't miss on purpose. The Patriots did not purposefully lose games last season for draft position. YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAME. That is the bottom line. Draft position/rookie players inherently are a roll of the dice -- just ask the Jete or any other team that pinned its hopes on an early round savior that failed.

In fact, MOST early round draftees -- especially quarterbacks -- fail to match their pre-draft hype. That's why the draft should always be viewed as incidental to however a season plays out in pursuit of winning, which is the only way lasting franchise foundations are built. Anyone who considers draft position as an end unto itself is foremost a loser and also gambling against proven odds.

Hopefully, the Patriots got lucky with Maye and he pans out long term. Which will depend on the right coaching and how they build around him.

 

[ExeterSportsGuy]

Giants are not winning another game and will pick qb

Raiders not winning another game and will pick qb

Pats at 3 will have Hunter available

Is Hunter worth a HAUL to another team? Because that's what I would prefer. Trade back somewhere around 10, get a first for next season AND more picks in the 2025 draft to rebuild this roster. As much as I'd LOVE to see Hunter and the excitement he brings, we just need too many pieces. Draft your franchise LT, Draft a stud DL, and mix in a TE/C and now we're cooking. IF we do that AND take care of business in FA we'll be competing for a playoff push next season.

 

[Username]

Travis Hunter is the best all round player in the draft

However, he's not a blue chip NFL prospect at either DB or WR in my opinion, and will be overdrafted. The issue for the Pats is that there are only two, maybe three, tackles worthy of a first round pick and I don't think any of them are worthy of a top 15 pick.

It's a pretty weak class all round

 

[yukon cornelius]

there's better options at both WR & CB with far less headaches

 

[1960Pats]

And if they can't block they'll still suck.

They need an offensive line, weapons be damned.

They need both.

 

[Brotherblues]

Be careful what you wish for. If that happens, it will give the Kraft's false hope and Mayo one more shot. The best chance for Mayo, Wolf and Ghoh's exit is losing out.

I know. I'm just sick of the "tanking" mentality and premature draft drooling.

I agree with both. It's a ****ty conundrum, where wins can secure the chain (Mayo) that drags the franchise down for at least another year.

Part of me blames Bob for getting conned and putting us in this situation. But the true blame has to go to the conman and not the targeted 80 year old who got bamboozled.

 

[Headcase]

Source he would be the 4th WR taken last year? Or do you base this claim from your subjective opinion and erudite knowledge in the college receiving talent pool?

There is one example of someone that gets paid to do it feeling the same way :

McMillan has posted other MONSTER games this year. Re-check the box scores.

He had two "monster" games this year, New Mexico and West Virginia, he had four TDs in game one against NM.....two of which the CB covering him fell down in coverage leading to long TDs....The WV game he finally broke his 6 game streak without scoring. In between those two games he averaged 6 receptions for 80yrs and 0 TDs

I watched his highlights from this year, 3 long TDs where the CB fell down (out of 8 TDs total), lots of contested catches (both because the QB sucks and lack of separation on Tet's part.

Just not a guy I would want to spend top 5 top 10 pick on....you expect guys with that talent to make plays on their own, break a tackle, make a move and take it to the house....the only time I saw Tet do that is when the defender fell down. His main skills are that he is tall and has good hands....that is a pretty low bar for a NFL receiver.

You mentioned Brandon Marshall, if I could get Tet where Marshall was drafted I'd be pretty happy.....of course Marshall was drafted in the 4th round.

I just think Patriots fans are so sick of the WR room they will latch on to whatever WR is ranked in the first.

 

[Wozzy]

They need both.

If you can't block, nobody else can do their job.

Great QB's don't need super weapons, they allow simply good and very good weapons reach their full potential.

 

[Grogan14]

Is Hunter worth a HAUL to another team? Because that's what I would prefer. Trade back somewhere around 10, get a first for next season AND more picks in the 2025 draft to rebuild this roster. As much as I'd LOVE to see Hunter and the excitement he brings, we just need too many pieces. Draft your franchise LT, Draft a stud DL, and mix in a TE/C and now we're cooking. IF we do that AND take care of business in FA we'll be competing for a playoff push next season.

I do not believe teams will be trading a haul to get up and select Hunter

 

[Grogan14]

If you have watched the video on Hunter you can see he is excellent at getting separation and is very quick and elusive.
I think his upside is a faster version of antonio brown at his peak.
I suspect he will sometimes command double coverage and open up the field for others

Macmillan is not the separation wizard that Hunter is

 

[Patsgofor4]

There is one example of someone that gets paid to do it feeling the same way :



He had two "monster" games this year, New Mexico and West Virginia, he had four TDs in game one against NM.....two of which the CB covering him fell down in coverage leading to long TDs....The WV game he finally broke his 6 game streak without scoring. In between those two games he averaged 6 receptions for 80yrs and 0 TDs

I watched his highlights from this year, 3 long TDs where the CB fell down (out of 8 TDs total), lots of contested catches (both because the QB sucks and lack of separation on Tet's part.

Just not a guy I would want to spend top 5 top 10 pick on....you expect guys with that talent to make plays on their own, break a tackle, make a move and take it to the house....the only time I saw Tet do that is when the defender fell down. His main skills are that he is call and had good hands....that is a pretty low bar for a NFL receiver.

You mentioned Brandon Marshall, if I could get Tet where Marshall was drafted I'd be pretty happy.....of course Marshall was drafted in the 4th round.

I just think Patriots fans are so sick of the WR room they will latch on to whatever WR is ranked in the first.

Brugler as well @Ray Ray 717. When combining both drafts, he would rank the top 3 WRs from 2024 and Hunter ahead of Tet, and it doesn’t seem to be even be that close for him. Discussion about 2024 vs 2025 draft classes starts at 17:30.

Even just looking at the numbers from their final seasons in college, Odunze had a more dominant year than Tet.

 

[Headcase]

Brugler as well @Ray Ray 717. When combining both drafts, he would rank the top 3 WRs from 2024 and Hunter ahead of Tet, and it doesn’t seem to be even be that close for him. Discussion about 2024 vs 2025 draft classes starts at 17:30.

Even just looking at the numbers from their final seasons in college, Odunze had a more dominant year than Tet.

I just listened to part of the podcast...Brugler says if you combined the '24 and '25 drafts, the first 5 would be from '24, and the 7 of the top 9 would be from '24......this is a bad draft.

 

[TommyD4207]

I just listened to part of the podcast...Brugler says if you combined the '24 and '25 drafts, the first 5 would be from '24, and the 7 of the top 9 would be from '24......this is a bad draft.

Well it's a bad draft because QB isn't that strong (although it was overrated last year too).

There's some excellent EDGE rushers out there, and running back is actually really strong. But yeah, if you're the Patriots desperate for offensive talent, you're not taking a RB in the top 5.

 

[lancerman]

Guess it really depends on how FA pans out. If they can sign a proven, starting LT then maybe they go Hunter in the draft.

If they get Maye a true #1 WR in FA, then they may trade down and get more draft capital to get a LT, LT and CB.

Offensive Tackle is one of the hardest positions to solve for in general. Colleges generally suck at developing them and teams generally make them a top priority to keep. In the draft, you really have to get a blue chipper early to confidently get anything of quality. Anything else that's good is a happy accident. In FA, no OT in their prime is available and you have to pay a fortune for a tier 2 player or a much older player with a short shelf life.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Hunter is the best player in college football!!!! If he is on the board when we pick, we must take him. We put him at cornerback full time and design a package of plays for him on offense. This kid is a playmaker and future all pro! He has it all, speed, flexibility, courage and vision.
This is our last year of drafting in the upper part of the first round and this kid is a star !!!!!!

I agree. He’s easily the best player in the draft, it’s not even close.

 

[BobDigital]

And if they can't block they'll still suck.

They need an offensive line, weapons be damned.

Yeah... But you don't take online with pick 3. Either you trade down for it or you go skill position. Oline in inherently less valuable than other positions because one bad player ruins the whole thing and one good player can only do so much. Even left tackle isn't exempt from this rule. But it is the position often on an island the most with the least help (cause QBs can't as easily adjust their pocket placement for you as they can't see you). So it should be paid the most.

All things being equal though give me an online that is solid everywhere rather than one with a few stars and some low end starters.

 

[Ray Ray 717]

Travis Hunter is the best all round player in the draft

However, he's not a blue chip NFL prospect at either DB or WR in my opinion, and will be overdrafted. The issue for the Pats is that there are only two, maybe three, tackles worthy of a first round pick and I don't think any of them are worthy of a top 15 pick.

It's a pretty weak class all round

Be careful sonny! We have these forum aristocrats who believe O-line is the only pick. They think Maye can be like Tom Brady and get us to the playoffs without any receiving weapons. Imagine that craziness? They don't even pay attention to the draft candidates!

 

[dliverey44]

Kelvin Banks and Will Campbell.

Calling them franchise LT's I think is being generous.