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Just some thoughts to get you through game day if the games turn out to be boring. I have some thoughts on the game with the Panthers and some rants I’d like to get off my chest. Lets start with the rants.

1. I am sick and tired of hearing mediots constantly complain that “there are no elite teams in the NFL” Or that “the league is down this year”. That is just a load of CRAP. What are they basing it on. Even in the golden years of so called “dominant teams”, when the Cowboys, Niners and Packers ruled the roost, they would always have 3 or 4 losses on their regular season records. When have there ever been season where there weren’t teams without flaws.

Over half way into this season there are still 4 teams with 2 or fewer loses. I would bet that we would find it to be the same in EVERY season. And why do they think that having a so called dominant team or two make the league better anyway???? :rolleyes: :eek:

Think about it, in my life time there has been only one truly dominant team in the NFL, the Chicago Bears of 1985. They blew through the regular season at 15-1 with hardly a glitch, and then when faced with the cream of the crop in the playoffs, blew out every opponent.

It really pisses me off when these talking heads make it seem like somehow these wins don’t count as much because , “the league is bad this year”, or there “are no really elite teams”, or “there are no teams without flaws” It demeans the players, the teams and their efforts for no other reason than to be self serving.

I feel they do it to somehow make themselves seem more superior in their analysis. Its always sounds so smug, smarmy and judgmental and makes me want to reach through the screen, grab them by the stack and swivel and shove some perspective and humility down their throats


2. The medical attack on football.

I love this game and I have gotten a lot out of it both as a player and a coach. Certainly a lot more than simply great memories that get greater every every year. ;) And while the concussion discussion has value as a safety issue, news that Pop Warner participation is down, and constant talk by mediots that they wouldn’t let their kids play the game strike at the very heart of the game.

Here are some specific points

a. Every time some 60+ year old ex-NFL football player forgets where he puts his keys, its reported as a sign he was damaged playing football. Meanwhile when the millions of other elderly forget something is called getting old.

b. Every time a former NFL player is diagnosed with CTE it is put into a light that makes it seem that it is conclusive that football cause the injury. The fact is that many others who never played the game also come down with CTE, and when they do, its never broadcast.

c. I am constantly stunned when I hear parents keeping their kids from playing football, while at the same time giving them keys to a car on their 16th birthday or allowing their teenaged kids to be in cars driven by other teenagers. One activity is INFINITELY more dangerous to their kids health. Its completely hypocritical

d. There is really no reason for a parent to keep a kid from playing football through HS and even into college. The benefits they receive far outweigh the very small risks of serious injury. The media is doing the game a severe disservice when it makes it seem, when some former NFL player develops CTE that THAT is what may happen to your kid if he plays pop warner or HS football.

They completely ignore the fact that pro players take THOUSANDS of more hits over their careers than a player who will end their career in their teens and THOUSANDS of those hits will be much more violent than any a HS player would see. It ignores the fact that it’s a combination of speed, size, and number that create collisions that create the kind of severe concussions that actually do damage.

Pop Warner strictly controls the size of their players its just not going to happen, and in HS there might be just 2-3 kids on any team that have a size and speed combination that would create something that even comes close to the kind of collision you would see in an NFL game.

e. Where is it going to end. Are parents going to bubble rap their kids and THEN hand them the keys to a care which annually kills more than 20,000 teenagers EACH year and maims tens of thousands more. Would it shock anyone that at Harvard the sport that causes the most concussions each year is Water Polo. What kind of next generation are we going to raise if they are one that never takes even a reasonable risk

f. I taught more and better life lessons of values, and ethics while coaching than I ever did in a classroom. Many more lessons that a kid could take with him beyond his school years. I also coached other sports over the years, (lacrosse, baseball, basketball) and lettered in basketball, wrestling, track, and baseballas well as LaCrosse in college. None of them taught me more than the game of football. I would morn the loss of kids having the same opportunities that I did if unreasonable fear spread by a one sided media caused the game to die. Fortunately I won’t be there to see it.

g.The BOTTOM LINE is that parents should absolutely encourage their kids to play football on the Pop Warner/HS level if they have a desire The benefit FAR outweigh any slight potential risk. Certainly far less risk than most activities teenagers go through in order to reach adulthood

3. I’ve waited since 2007 for a quality defense, and when one finally is amassed they all get hurt

I know that injuries are part of the game, but this is starting to get ridiculous - 5 of the 11 starters we opened the season with on defense won’t be playing on Monday (Kelly, Wilfolk, Mayo, Dennard, and Gregory) And that assumes that Talib is ready to start. That means of the top 8 DB’s only McCourty, Ryan, and Harmon are the only relatively healthy players and 2 of them are back up rookies :eek: Add that to the loss of the middle of our the D, including BOTH “heart and soul” players (Mayo and Wilfolk), and is it any wonder I have no hair.

How the hell are we supposed to win games when SO many of the key parts are gone, or not here right now. How many more games will go by before Edleman is fitted for his defensive pads again. Its such a shame. Why couldn’t we have had just ONE year like the Niners D had last season when 10 of their starters played over 90% of the defensive snaps I expect to have some bad luck years with injuries, but on the same hand, you’d expect to have a couple of GOOD luck years as well. Well looking back I can recall a few that weren’t horrible, but none that you’d consider a “good luck” injury year. Aren't we far overdue? :mad:

4. This is OT, but its really pissing me off, so if you will bear with me. Among the many things the mediots piss me off with, top right now is the notion that that the Celtics should tank the season for, at best, a 25% shot at the top player in the draft. I won’t waste anymore time on this except to say that it is SO WRONG on so many different levels. Plus the way Felger and Mazz and their ilk present it, it reaches a level of smarmy superciliousness that makes me want to turn violent.
 

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5. Game thoughts - Defense

a. This will be a real test of the running defense - Anything below 120 yds allowed in total rushing will be a huge victory for the Pats.

b. This is a game that Matt Patricia is going to have to shine because in order to have any success stopping the Panthers run is going to have to be scheme oriented, and the timing of those run schemes will be critical. So not only will he have to design a great set of schemes, he will have to call a great game as well.

c. Isaac the new guy is going to he give a big test today. Even as Vince-light, he will be a big help to the middle of the D if he plays to his potential. We are going to see what we traded for Monday night

d. Harmon, Ryan, Collins and Wilson are all going to get a lot of snaps Parcells once said for every rookie you start in a season you will lose one game. Well in this game we are going to start 4 of them….at least. :eek:

e. We aren’t going to win this game unless we manage to wind up +2 in turnovers. This is going to be difficult since the Panthers haven’t been giving up the ball much this year.

f. Don’t expect a big pass rush this game, because the focus will be on keeping Newton in the pocket than actually getting him down. Anything more than 2 sacks would be a good game.

6. Game thoughts - offense

a. Interesting conundrum this week. In the past, the Pats would attack a top defense like this one, with an exceptional front 7 and a suspect secondary by spreading them out and going up tempo. But that’s easier said than done on the road in a game the hometown fans look on as a their superbowl to this point of the season. Plus there’s the issue of keeping your maimed defense off the field as much as possible.

This is a game where BOTH sides will view time of possession as being critical to success.

b. In the end I think the Pats will opt for points over TOP and come out up tempo. Spread, and slinging the ball

c. Look for a return to a lot more of the “Welker-type” routes than we saw vs. Pittsburgh. I expect to see double digit receptions by Amendola tomorrow. While it will be up tempo and spread, the Pats will still want to maintain a sense of moving the chains style offense to at least protect the D somewhat.

d. Big game for the OL, but a HUGE one for Marcus Cannon. Most of us thought of him as an eventual starter quality Olman when he was drafted. Nothing in his development has caused us to change that feeling. However he IS replacing one of the better pass blocking RT’s in the league, and he IS playing against one of the league’s top pass rushing front 7’s. It will be a great time for him to “come of age”…..and a necessary one.

e. It will be interesting to see if we continue to take shots down field with Dobson and I will be interested to see how the Pathers choose to cover him. Has his threat grown to the point where they will double team him?

f. This is one of the better rush defenses in the league. We have one of the better run blocking OL’s. This might be the battle where the game ultimately tilts - Anything over 80 yds will be an acceptable result. Anything over 100 is a win. This game might take us back to the Atwain Smith days where the number of carries is more important than the results. But in those days where weren’t playing with half our D..

g. I'm thinking anything less than 3 sacks and QB hits is a win for the OL

7. Hard to rationalize a win tomorrow based on all the injuries, the fact its an away game, against a hot team, who matches up well against us talent wise. In fact the only real reason for optimism is the INORDINATE number of games the Pats have played under similar circumstances and “somehow” managed to win. The one I remember that most seems like this one was the Rams game in 2003 or 4 when Troy Brown was forced by injuries to play DB and Adam V threw a TD pass. That game was in St Louis and it didn’t look like there was anyway the Pats would win going in. Well if IIRC, they not only won the game, they dominated it.

Enjoy the games I hope this helped pass the time, and as always I look forward to your comments
 

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Why does everyone assume we don't match up well with them? We will see tomorrow. I tell you what grinds my gears,the Pats have been real good since 2001. The Panthers have been thought to be legit -one- week. And now everybody acts like it's just settled fact that they are better than us. Boggles the mind.
 

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I'm guessing Edelman played something other than WR on scout team this week, by which I mean CB (to get some rust off), QB (who better to model Newton?) or both.
 

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b. This is a game that Matt Patricia is going to have to shine because in order to have any success stopping the Panthers run is going to have to be scheme oriented, and the timing of those run schemes will be critical. So not only will he have to design a great set of schemes, he will have to call a great game as well.

Ken, we have a defensive coordinator, and it ain't Matt Patricia.

All one has to do is watch a game, look at the sidelines and see who the guy is who is kneeling on the ground teaching with all the defensive players around him. Notice you never see BB him kneeling with the OL, WR's or special teams.
 
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e. Where is it going to end. Are parents going to bubble rap their kids and THEN hand them the keys to a care which annually kills more than 20,000 teenagers EACH year and maims tens of thousands more. Would it shock anyone that at Harvard the sport that causes the most concussions each year is Water Polo. What kind of next generation are we going to raise if they are one that never takes even a reasonable risk

Absolutely agree. This also extends, O/T, to military service. I know a number of folks who have been absolutely critical of it, and have counseled their own children to never enlist, or seek a commission. One actually told his son that if he enlisted he'd be disowned.

But I digress....... Your example of teenage drivers is square in the black. Although i was badly injured in the Navy, and lost a couple good friends to aircraft incidents, still I don't regret anything. I'd do it all over again if I could. Like football, you learn so many lessons. Where else, other than football, can you be given so much responsibility, and held to account for your decisions/actions, at such a young age? 19 year old "kids" becoming plane captains for $30 million dollar aircraft, for heaven's sake! 24 and 25 year old pilots. 20 year-old medics taking care of their squads. The list goes on.

And despite the injuries, despite the deaths, the rate for serious injuries and death is less than that of teenagers on the highways. Football? Too many GOOD things to take from it, and I pity the day when schools shut down their programs because parents and lawyers decide it's "too dangerous".

As for NFL players, it's fine that the league tweaks things here and there, and does it's research on concussions, etc, but these are grown men, well-compensated, who are making informed decisions to play the game. They are free to walk away at any time.

This whole "safety" issue needs to be given a rest. It's being driven by the victimization industry, and supported by less-than-ethical lawyers who see a large financial stake in pursuing litigation over these inflated concerns.

It needs to stop, and that right now. Thanks for a fine piece, Ken. I couldn't agree with this part more.
 

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Much as i love pro sports the concussion issue is real, it's serious, and the media is actually doing their job right by reporting on it the way they are. Anyone who heard Lyndon Byers call Holley and Fauria last week either came away from it with chills running down their spine or wasn't listening. It was disturbing, heartbreaking, and a direct result of all the hits he took as player, suggesting it was anything other than his hockey career which led to this is folly, it's obvious why he and and so many other pro athletes are suffering these symptoms in their 30's and 40's and it isn't dementia onset by old age. I don't know what the answers are but ignoring it won'tever solve it.
 

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Much as i love pro sports the concussion issue is real, it's serious, and the media is actually doing their job right by reporting on it the way they are. Anyone who heard Lyndon Byers call Holley and Fauria last week either came away from it with chills running down their spine or wasn't listening. It was disturbing, heartbreaking, and a direct result of all the hits he took as player, suggesting it was anything other than his hockey career which led to this is folly, it's obvious why he and and so many other pro athletes are suffering these symptoms in their 30's and 40's and it isn't dementia onset by old age. I don't know what the answers are but ignoring it won'tever solve it.

The bolded passage is at the core of this issue.
 

Ivan

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The bolded passage is at the core of this issue.



That's a lot to put on my shoulders your eminence, and much as I hate to admit it if the NFL is counting on me to solve the problem they might as well shut their doors right now.
 

Ivan

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Ken, many of the players having severe problems are well under 50, this isn't an age issue.
 

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That's a lot to put on my shoulders your eminence, and much as I hate to admit it if the NFL is counting on me to solve the problem they might as well shut their doors right now.

I wasn't saddling you with devising a solution, just pointing out that the answer likely will be a long time coming. I suspect it will work itself out eventually. (How's that for being insightfully specific?)
 

Ivan

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I wasn't saddling you with devising a solution, just pointing out that the answer likely will be a long time coming. I suspect it will work itself out eventually. (How's that for being insightfully specific?)



Whew!

Good thing, because when his holiness tells you to "git er' done" it is a matter of grave seriousness, and I honestly thought I was going to let you down. No next life as the guy nailing a future Jessica Alba for me.....and i am kind of counting on that for all my good karma.
 

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Whew!

Good thing, because when his holiness tells you to "git er' done" it is a matter of grave seriousness, and I honestly thought I was going to let you down. No next life as the guy nailing a future Jessica Alba for me.....and i am kind of counting on that for all my good karma.

A bit of karmic wisdom for you: the future Jessica Alba might be a narcissistic beyatch who does not deserve your affections, as dedicated as you might be in bestowing them upon her. :snob:
 

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2. The medical attack on football.

I love this game and I have gotten a lot out of it both as a player and a coach. Certainly a lot more than simply great memories that get greater every every year. ;) And while the concussion discussion has value as a safety issue, news that Pop Warner participation is down, and constant talk by mediots that they wouldn’t let their kids play the game strike at the very heart of the game.

Here are some specific points

a. Every time some 60+ year old ex-NFL football player forgets where he puts his keys, its reported as a sign he was damaged playing football. Meanwhile when the millions of other elderly forget something is called getting old.

b. Every time a former NFL player is diagnosed with CTE it is put into a light that makes it seem that it is conclusive that football cause the injury. The fact is that many others who never played the game also come down with CTE, and when they do, its never broadcast.

Ken, my take is that the media perhaps would not have gone so hard on this subject had the NFL not gone so "Tobacco Industry" against the scientific findings (and went to such lengths to hide its own findings).

Usually , when a corporation acts suspiciously, that is blood in the water to a shark. If the league had gotten out front of this and not played the obfuscation game, the media may not have turned into a pack of Mike Wallace's (not the Dolphin WR).
 

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5. Game thoughts - Defense

a. This will be a real test of the running defense - Anything below 120 yds allowed in total rushing will be a huge victory for the Pats.

b. This is a game that Matt Patricia is going to have to shine because in order to have any success stopping the Panthers run is going to have to be scheme oriented, and the timing of those run schemes will be critical. So not only will he have to design a great set of schemes, he will have to call a great game as well.

c. Isaac the new guy is going to he give a big test today. Even as Vince-light, he will be a big help to the middle of the D if he plays to his potential. We are going to see what we traded for Monday night

d. Harmon, Ryan, Collins and Wilson are all going to get a lot of snaps Parcells once said for every rookie you start in a season you will lose one game. Well in this game we are going to start 4 of them….at least. :eek:

e. We aren’t going to win this game unless we manage to wind up +2 in turnovers. This is going to be difficult since the Panthers haven’t been giving up the ball much this year.

f. Don’t expect a big pass rush this game, because the focus will be on keeping Newton in the pocket than actually getting him down. Anything more than 2 sacks would be a good game.

6. Game thoughts - offense

a. Interesting conundrum this week. In the past, the Pats would attack a top defense like this one, with an exceptional front 7 and a suspect secondary by spreading them out and going up tempo. But that’s easier said than done on the road in a game the hometown fans look on as a their superbowl to this point of the season. Plus there’s the issue of keeping your maimed defense off the field as much as possible.

This is a game where BOTH sides will view time of possession as being critical to success.

b. In the end I think the Pats will opt for points over TOP and come out up tempo. Spread, and slinging the ball

c. Look for a return to a lot more of the “Welker-type” routes than we saw vs. Pittsburgh. I expect to see double digit receptions by Amendola tomorrow. While it will be up tempo and spread, the Pats will still want to maintain a sense of moving the chains style offense to at least protect the D somewhat.

d. Big game for the OL, but a HUGE one for Marcus Cannon. Most of us thought of him as an eventual starter quality Olman when he was drafted. Nothing in his development has caused us to change that feeling. However he IS replacing one of the better pass blocking RT’s in the league, and he IS playing against one of the league’s top pass rushing front 7’s. It will be a great time for him to “come of age”…..and a necessary one.

e. It will be interesting to see if we continue to take shots down field with Dobson and I will be interested to see how the Pathers choose to cover him. Has his threat grown to the point where they will double team him?

f. This is one of the better rush defenses in the league. We have one of the better run blocking OL’s. This might be the battle where the game ultimately tilts - Anything over 80 yds will be an acceptable result. Anything over 100 is a win. This game might take us back to the Atwain Smith days where the number of carries is more important than the results. But in those days where weren’t playing with half our D..

g. I'm thinking anything less than 3 sacks and QB hits is a win for the OL

7. Hard to rationalize a win tomorrow based on all the injuries, the fact its an away game, against a hot team, who matches up well against us talent wise. In fact the only real reason for optimism is the INORDINATE number of games the Pats have played under similar circumstances and “somehow” managed to win. The one I remember that most seems like this one was the Rams game in 2003 or 4 when Troy Brown was forced by injuries to play DB and Adam V threw a TD pass. That game was in St Louis and it didn’t look like there was anyway the Pats would win going in. Well if IIRC, they not only won the game, they dominated it.

Enjoy the games I hope this helped pass the time, and as always I look forward to your comments

instead of a way to big post every week, why dont you just do a blog or story on the front page. I love your stuff but it is way too long for a normal post.
 

Ivan

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A bit of karmic wisdom for you: the future Jessica Alba might be a narcissistic beyatch who does not deserve your affections, as dedicated as you might be in bestowing them upon her. :snob:


That sounds a lot like a threat your holiness.

I'm disappointed, I thought you were above that.
 

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It ignores the fact that it’s a combination of speed, size, and number that create collisions that create the kind of severe concussions that actually do damage.

Things seem to be pointing toward it not just being "severe concussions" that actually do damage.

I actually don't think the "severe concussions" thing is all that dangerous to the game as it's the sort of thing they can eventually legislate out of the game if they really care to.

The existential threat will be if ongoing research bears out the early but as yet inconclusive indications that things like ordinary line play cause brain damage and can do so by college or earlier.
 

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Ken, we have a defensive coordinator, and it ain't Matt Patricia.

All one has to do is watch a game, look at the sidelines and see who the guy is who is kneeling on the ground teaching with all the defensive players around him. Notice you never see BB him kneeling with the OL, WR's or special teams.
The fact BB takes charge of decimating info for the D during the game is a fact of life But its Patricia that calls the game, and I'm assuming that its Patricia that is responsible for putting the game plan together

No question BB is an active participant on game day, but its clear to me that for the most part he lets his coaches do their job just like he does his. The defensive staff is constantly funneling the info that BB is disseminating on the bench. Letting BB do this allows Patricia the ability to focus on his play calling and substitutions. When you see BB coaching on the sidelines, I read it as simply a division of labor that allows both men the ability to focus better on their respective game day responsibilities.

That being said, I think the Pats assign those game day responsibilities differently than most and BB tales more of an active direct coaching role than most HC's. But while the media will never allow whatever DC is running the Pats defense take full credit, it will always be BB's D; I believe BB gives his guys as much responsibility to run their AOR's as any DC

At least that's how I read it. I could be wrong
 

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As for NFL players, it's fine that the league tweaks things here and there, and does it's research on concussions, etc, but these are grown men, well-compensated, who are making informed decisions to play the game. They are free to walk away at any time.

Given what's come out about the actions of the NFL over the years it's far from clear that players have been in the position to make actual "informed decisions".
 
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