How Belichick/Pioli Operate the Patriots Like Smart Businessmen

[Kdo5]

(1) True, the second richest man is a "value" investor. But the richest man got his money from investing in the "overvalued" growth stock MSFT.


(2) There is a reason why Joe Montana is in Canton, Ohio, while Phil Simms is not. Phil Simms needed Lawrence Taylor to win one SB. Brady, alone, has picked up 3 Lombardis for New England.



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Hahahaha.

Brady ALONE has won three Lombardi's. As far as I recall in 2003 and 2004 the Patriots had one of the best defenses in the NFL. As far as I recall in 2004 Dillon ran for 1600 yards and took a LOT of pressure off of Brady. Footballs a team sport. Brady did not at all alone win 3 superbowls he helped win 3.

 

[maverick4]

Or the Chayut corrolary:

Build a man a fire, and he's warm for one night. Set a man on fire and he's warm for the rest of his life.

PFnV

First the Beisel joystick, and now this. Can we get this man a standup gig!?

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[mikey]

Gates didn't "invest" in it. He founded and created the "system" that he owned. He built the system. He didn't "buy" it. He created and operated it. The system, got it Mikey?

See the analogy to one who builds a "system"?

Paraphrasing the ol' fish quotation: "Give a man a free agent and he wins in the short term, teach a man a system and he wins over the long-term".

Mikey, may I suggest you become a Redskins fan?

I was just being a "contrarian", pointing that there are different ways to make money in investing, just as there are different ways to manage football organization.

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[shmessy]

Hahahaha.

Brady ALONE has won three Lombardi's. As far as I recall in 2003 and 2004 the Patriots had one of the best defenses in the NFL. As far as I recall in 2004 Dillon ran for 1600 yards and took a LOT of pressure off of Brady. Footballs a team sport. Brady did not at all alone win 3 superbowls he helped win 3.

In Mikey's world, we don't need a team really. We need names. BIG names. Names that have nicknames attached to them. Names that light up a screen. Names with nicknames that rhyme. Rhymin' nicknames, yeah.....

Then we need an owner to tilt the team to paying a few big names more than those big names can get anywhere else. NOBODY will beat our price! Then said owner can skimp on stupid little things like scouting departments - he can just subscribe to the same generic college scouting service that 29 other teams use. Don't waste money on a proprietary scouting system - go for BIG NAMES!

Now hit the fan base with PSL's and meddle alot with the personnel department, because as we all know, owners know evrything about judging football talent.

And here's the easiest part. Get a QB who can win 3 Super Bowl's all by himself. Why can't anyone else other than Mikey and Dan Snyder figure this out?

 

[shmessy]

I was just being a "contrarian", pointing that there are different ways to make money in investing, just as there are different ways to manage football organization.

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That's rich. You write that Bill Gates made his fortune by being an investor (trying to make your point that teams should spend money). When it is pointed out to you that his fortune was BUILT by himself, not BOUGHT from someone else, then you say 'Oh, I was just being a contrtarian'.

That's the Polian School of Bullcrap.

 

[AzPatsFan]

Or the Chayut corrolary:

Build a man a fire, and he's warm for one night. Set a man on fire and he's warm for the rest of his life.

PFnV

Luv it! Absotively Posilutely, Luv it !!

 

[mikey]

Hahahaha.

Brady ALONE has won three Lombardi's. As far as I recall in 2003 and 2004 the Patriots had one of the best defenses in the NFL. As far as I recall in 2004 Dillon ran for 1600 yards and took a LOT of pressure off of Brady. Footballs a team sport. Brady did not at all alone win 3 superbowls he helped win 3.

The 2003 "best" defense gave up 29 points and almost 400 yards to the Panthers and Delhomme. Without Brady's 360 yards 3 TD's, we do not get the 2nd Lombardi.

True, Dillon was critical in 2004, but we would have won our 3rd Lombardi with Antwoine Smith.

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[maverick4]

Re: How Belichick/Pioli Operate Like Smart Businessmen

An excellent post. Its true that somentimes you just have to wait... and muddle through.

All the Chicken Littles want instant answers, but I would pose the question Name the positions that the Patriots will use their next first-day draft on... Is it CB, Lb, LB,WR or WR, LB, LB, CB? or LB, LB, CB, WR or what exactly? Hmmn?

There aren't any other positions that the Patriots need are there?

Meanwhile we muddle, through.

I think in a year or two, with continued success with our system, the Patriots will have so much depth that they will start trading away draft picks for future picks again.

The 2008 or 2009 draft could be ridiculous for us, something like '6 picks in the first 3 rounds' ridiculous.

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[flutie2phelan]

Or the Chayut corrolary:

Build a man a fire, and he's warm for one night. Set a man on fire and he's warm for the rest of his life.

PFnV

Fabulous ... just fabulous !

(Then, of course, there is Jefferson. "Government, like fire, is a useful servant ... " Who can finish the line?)

 

[Kdo5]

The 2003 "best" defense gave up 29 points and almost 400 yards to the Panthers and Delhomme. Without Brady's 360 yards 3 TD's, we do not get the 2nd Lombardi.

True, Dillon was critical in 2004, but we would have won our 3rd Lombardi with Antwoine Smith.

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And Brady alone would have gotten to the Superbowl with NO defense, with NO Belichick. Brady would never have gotten to the Superbowl without his team NEVER. And the defense that allowed 400 yards also dominated the Panthers throughout most of the first half and the third quarter. They could have allowed 21 more points in the first half and we get blown out.

And why mikey, why couldnt Brady single handedly lead the Patriots to the SB last year? I mean after all we had no defense for the first 10 or so games we played, we had no running attack, why couldnt he do it alone? Well he was spectacular and could have been a case for the MVP because he led them so far on his back, but he didnt lead them to the Superbowl by himself. Nor did he do it alone the other three times they won. NEVER.

Its a team effort, apparently you dont know that.

 

[shmessy]

The 2003 "best" defense gave up 29 points and almost 400 yards to the Panthers and Delhomme. Without Brady's 360 yards 3 TD's, we do not get the 2nd Lombardi.

True, Dillon was critical in 2004, but we would have won our 3rd Lombardi with Antwoine Smith.

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Amazing how he did all that without an Offensive Line, Wide Receivers, Running Backs and Tight Ends.

What happened is that Tom hiked the ball to himself, handed it off to himself and then ran. Some plays, he hiked it to himself threw it way up in the air and caught it down field.......

Honestly, I feel like I'm arguing with a pre-schooler.

 

[njpatsfan]

Re: How Belichick/Pioli Operate Like Smart Businessmen

As a businessman, the following must be pointed out...

Even if Reggie Bush is a complete bust, he has still, at least partially doubled the Saints’ support in the N.O. area, not to mention the rest of the gulf coast for this year. If the Saints do well this year, even without the help of Reggie Bush, the fans that are watching (because of Bush) will be won over, and become dedicated fans again.
Agree, Disagree?

Nothing fills stadium seats like winning.

Detroit used that strategy several times in recent memory. How did that work out for them ?

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[PatsSaintsSox]

Re: How Belichick/Pioli Operate Like Smart Businessmen

Nothing fills stadium seats like winning.

Detroit used that strategy several times in recent memory. How did that work out for them ?

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They tried with the WRs but that’s why I said that the Saints are using Reggie as a "LOOK AT US" type of thing...if they win, with the new QB, and still sucky D, then saints fans will pay more attention and buy more tics

Detroit just sucks over all...winning is always the key...if Detroit made the playoffs...or even finished 2nd in the div. I would wager the fans would be piling in to the stadium for the next two seasons...fans want the potential for excitement, and guys like Roy and Mike Williams, as well as Reggie bush offer that possibility!

 

[captain stone]

Fabulous ... just fabulous !

(Then, of course, there is Jefferson. "Government, like fire, is a useful servant ... " Who can finish the line?)

"...if you know when to throw cold water on it, before it grows too large to control." Did I at least come close?

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Or the Chayut corrolary:

Build a man a fire, and he's warm for one night. Set a man on fire and he's warm for the rest of his life.

PFnV

*convulsing in laughter*

 

[Miguel]

However, given our current situation, we are one of the few teams now who have enough space to sign our young talent in 2007, while having enough room to pick up good players because other of the poor financial management of other teams.

This is how I define "homer". No facts to back up
1.) "few teams now who have enough space to sign our young talent in 2007"
2.) "poor financial management of other teams"

 

[Clonamery]

This is how I define "homer". No facts to back up
1.) "few teams now who have enough space to sign our young talent in 2007"
2.) "poor financial management of other teams"

Miguel, 'homer' wasn't the word I was thinking of.....

Homers, IMO, don't suspend ALL reason, logic and sanity.

 

[maverick4]

I was going to respond with a reasoned defense, but then I realized I AM a homer!
I don't know how anyone can truly be a fan without being even a little homer-ish.

 

[Brady'sButtBoy]

This issue came up elsewhere, but deserves its own thread.

Belichick/Pioli are excellent team managers, maybe the best ever, because they think like businessmen. It's not a coincidence that Belichick has an economics degree, in studying how to best deploy limited resources to achieve maximum gain.

Let me give you a real world example. Some people use their money to invest in assets like real estate, securities, businesses, and early ventures, because with intelligence and hard work, you can make these assets grow and have more value than you started with. Other people use their money to buy non-assets such as flashy cars, boats, entertainment, and clothes, that immediately begin depreciating in value the moment you buy them. Over time, the first group ends up with much money, while the second group has no net worth, as well as a bunch of useless things.

How does this relate to the NFL?

The same concept applies regarding cap-dollar allocation and overall team talent level. The Patriots put an emphasis on drafting well, signing young players, bargain hunting for under-valued veterans, and putting in a lot of work into coaching and practicing. Over time, this creates a team of underpaid players who are much better than their salaries, and gives the Pats the highest overall talent level in the league. Most other teams like to chase big name players in free agency who are usually older, so that his skills diminish while his pay remains at a high level. With all teams operating under the same cap, over time the good businessmen like Belichick/Pioli become wealthy with talent, while the poor businessmen have so much money tied to bad invesments that much of their team is garbage, with little growing assets.

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Also, I wanted to throw in a pseudo-related point here that doesn't really need its own thread. When people like me criticize our players or a specific position like linebackers, I am not attacking Belichick/Pioli. Sometimes in a market, there just isn't a good asset available at a good price, so you just try to make as many calculated, intelligent guesses as you can out of what is available. Sometimes it takes MORE discipline not to splurge for a perceived need, and just wait things out. So...even though I think Monty Beisel is garbage and that our linebackers have serious depth issues, this is merely a reflection of the linebacker market over the past few years, and does not change my opinion of Belichick/Pioli as talent evaluators, dollar allocators, or team builders.
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Well, I'll give you credit for the effort but you're missing a key point: BB and Pioli did not come close to accurately anticipating the change's in the salary cap after the new labor deal kicked in leaving them with holes they could (should) have been able to fill with their extra cap space. They have left the patriots behind the curve compared with teams that more correctly understood the coming changes and spent accordingly. In other words, the Patriots are less talented this year because of BB and Pioli's blunder. A blunder that is not open to argument - it is a fact, the Pat's front office did not position itself as effectively as other teams and now another year of Tom Brady's career will go by quarterbacking a team weaker than it should be because BB and Pioli didn't operate the Patriots like smart businessmen.

 

[14thDragon]

Well, I'll give you credit for the effort but you're missing a key point: BB and Pioli did not come close to accurately anticipating the change's in the salary cap after the new labor deal kicked in leaving them with holes they could (should) have been able to fill with their extra cap space.

Filled with whom? Just out of curiosity, who should they have thrown the money at. Givens, Mcginist, Vinatieri? Law, Peterson, Burleson? Who in the free agency market would have been the missing link?

Free Agency did not get going until after all the teams knew what the bump in the cap number was. It was not a case of misestimating the cap, it was the matter of them not placing value on the free agents out there that other teams did. Combine that with a lot of teams trying to get under the old CBA cap, most teams had unexpected room to lock up thier players. There were not a lot of marque players on the market this year.