Hot CBA - dead as a doornail

[hwc]

Trying to understand your arguement - cash over cap - are you talking about future years? Isn't the salary cap set just prior to every league year? If so, how would they know how much to spend on future years?

Cash over cap refers to the excessive use of signing bonuses to reduce cap numbers, resulting in teams writing checks for amounts much higher than the cap.

In theory, the cash over cap will eventually be evened out by the team taking bid dead money cap hits when players are released...thus having less cap money to spend in those years. But, in practice, there have been enough get out of jail free cards that the salary cap system has not worked as well as it could -- especially for teams that are willing to play boom or bust.

The guys who use the signing bonus and restructures the most aggressively pay huge signing bonuses in free agency, making it difficult for the more prudently managed teams to have a prayer of keeping their players. For example, the Patriots have never had any chance of keeping David Givens, even if they offer him very solid #2 money. That's great for the agents, but it's not good for the NFL.

This is a subplot in the negotiations because what Upshaw wants is more use of cash over cap. The owners who will benefit the most from doing a deal this weekend are the owners who are most desperately in need of a "get out of jail free" card as a result of their cash over cap spending. My theory is that there are owners who would just as soon not see a deal done this weekend so that teams like the Redskins have to endure a bloodletting. The only way these owners would vote for a deal this weekend would be if it had serious constraints placed on cash over cap spending. Upshaw and the agents union will never agree to that. The want a much bigger cap number AND the continuation of cash over cap bonus spending.

 

[Willie55]

Thank you.

 

[Pats726]

This is a subplot in the negotiations because what Upshaw wants is more use of cash over cap. The owners who will benefit the most from doing a deal this weekend are the owners who are most desperately in need of a "get out of jail free" card as a result of their cash over cap spending. My theory is that there are owners who would just as soon not see a deal done this weekend so that teams like the Redskins have to endure a bloodletting. The only way these owners would vote for a deal this weekend would be if it had serious constraints placed on cash over cap spending. Upshaw and the agents union will never agree to that. The want a much bigger cap number AND the continuation of cash over cap bonus spending.

Just attempting to understand what teams are on which side on this...It seems the block of low revenue teams are pushing for a lot of restraints against this...letting the Skins and others who use it (more the high revenue teams) take a bath with cuts etc etc. Obviously the union is not for that as well and with good reason; cash over the cap gives players money up front and with no guarantees to me, a good balance of things. These small revenue teams though would not fair all that well in the uncapped year correct?? If that is the case, do they not lose big time if a new CBA is not agreed upon?? What hope might they have in an uncapped year if they are crying poor now?? If they are saying that now, without a cap, they'll be the true have nots..correct?? Just trying to see logic through these odd times.

 

[Patters]

Everyone knows a deal doesn't have to get done for many months. The fact that the deal is as close as it is awfully impressive. It seems like the union and owners are negotiating in good faith, but the devil is in the details.

 

[Pats726]

Everyone knows a deal doesn't have to get done for many months. The fact that the deal is as close as it is awfully impressive. It seems like the union and owners are negotiating in good faith, but the devil is in the details.

Many months?? I must not part of that group...No actually a deal has to be done in place or the poison pills take place immediately. That is in the CBA now and was there to be SURE that another CBA gets done when it should. The many months have passed..this is a real deadline. As far as anything close to impressive..what would have been impressive if it was done a few months ago...in the past gone..NOT an issue..THAT would have been impressive. This one sees nothing close to impressive in anything these clowns have done.

 

[Brady'sButtBoy]

Pats726 is correct - these issues have been discussed for years now, everyone knew they were coming. The failure to be prepared with a new deal is pathetic brinksmanship by a bunch of head-in-the-sand greedmongers.