Has Tim Tebow earned a roster spot on the Patriots?

[Brady6]

Psssst, he's a TROLL my friend. No need to waste your time/effort in feeding him.

So he/she is not a fan of Tebow? What is the reasoning for being in here, why doesn’t he/she go defend Miley Cyrus’s MTV VMA performance or something more noteworthy than will Tim Tebow be on the 53 man roster… Some people have some really odd motivations in life…:noidea:

Thanks for the heads up my man!!

 

[sb1]

No it's not and we've already done it.

1. He has won a starting qb in the NFL even winning a playoff game.

2. He can be used in the wildcat.

3. He can be used at Tight End and Fullback.

That picture is blasphemous. Obviously you hate Christianity.

 

[Demosthenes]

There is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that Montana or Elway "hated" Tebow... and no that is not a fact because Tebow did not beat the Steelers. His team did. QB's don't win games, teams do.

"Mangini's defense"

Mangini was not a Jet in the Sanchez era...although I suspect you already know that.

Really ? QBs don't win games, teams do?

If that's the case, then the Pats can just sit Brady for the regular season and put Mallett in as the starter for those 16 games, right ??

You might want to rethink that position

 

[manxman2601]

I don't mind please share what you know I'm always eager to gain more football knowledge.

The problem then is you're left short on HB's and Tebow can't and won't be willing to make it a full time transition. I wasn't sure on Blount coming into training camp, but he impressed me during the first two preseason contests. And while he struggled mightily in the Lion's game, no one looked great that night.

I can't right now because I'm about to get ready for work. Suffice to say, I don't think Tebow will ever be that much better at QB than he is now. On the other hand I think he has the skillset to be an outstanding short yardage runner (providing he can demonstrate that he can take handoffs).

As far as LeGarette Blount goes, I'm not ready to say that Tebow should take his position as a matter of course because Blount has the experience. But as a theoretical exercise, Tebow was more productive than Blount at short yardage in 2011 and if you compare their combine measurables, Tebow either ties or beats Blount.

 

[situational_awareness]

As a starter, your team winning 4 playoff games on the road is more impressive to me than your team winning 1 home playoff game and then getting clown stomped the following week on the road.

Say what you want about Sanchez, but being the QB for 4 playoff wins on the road is impressive....

You're getting closer, but still missing the point. You have to take all the factors into consideration to make a fair comparison. The total number of playoff victories, home or road, is not enough to base your claim upon. If you give a QB 2 years to win 16 games, it is not as impressive as if a QB wins those games in 1 year. I'm not saying that is the difference between Sanchez and Tebow, but just illustrating that your example is not a good one.

What's more impressive, 5 superbowls consecutive in 5 years, or 6 superbowls in 24 years spread out evenly? You must use context or the comparison is useless.

 

[sb1]

Really ? QBs don't win games, teams do?

If that's the case, then the Pats can just sit Brady for the regular season and put Mallett in as the starter for those 16 games, right ??

You might want to rethink that position

Wrong and no I don't think so.

The QB is part of the "team", yes?

So...why should I give the QB all the credit for the "win"?

Did Big Ben and his 22 passer rating "win" Super Bowl 40?

 

[Demosthenes]

So he/she is not a fan of Tebow? What is the reasoning for being in here, why doesn’t he/she go defend Miley Cyrus’s MTV VMA performance or something more noteworthy than will Tim Tebow be on the 53 man roster… Some people have some really odd motivations in life…:noidea:

Thanks for the heads up my man!!

Nope, he isn't a Tebow fan. He'll parrot some of the things we fans say, points that I believe to be valid ones, but those are mixed in with a lot of other stupid stuff solely intended to get a rise out of you all.

YW for the heads up. Rarely agree with you, but do enjoy the discussions

 

[detpatsfan]

Really ? QBs don't win games, teams do?

If that's the case, then the Pats can just sit Brady for the regular season and put Mallett in as the starter for those 16 games, right ??

You might want to rethink that position

QBs only win games when their name is Brady.

 

[sb1]

You're getting closer, but still missing the point. You have to take all the factors into consideration to make a fair comparison. The total number of playoff victories, home or road, is not enough to base your claim upon. If you give a QB 2 years to win 16 games, it is not as impressive as if a QB wins those games in 1 year. I'm not saying that is the difference between Sanchez and Tebow, but just illustrating that your example is not a good one.

What's more impressive, 5 superbowls consecutive in 5 years, or 6 superbowls in 24 years spread out evenly? You must use context or the comparison is useless.

Did you know Sanchez's team has won more road playoff games than the Patriots have with Brady? It's true.

Winning even just one playoff game on the road says something. 4 is really impressive to me and IMO...that says something about Sanchez. Tim's team won 1 and then got drilled. If Tebow can "catch up" then great. Otherwise edge Sanchez at least in this category.

And 5 Super Bowls in a row is certainly more impressive. Not sure the relevance?

 

[manxman2601]

How can a guy who fumbles more than any other player in the league per carry be counted on to be the short yardage and goal line back, especially when they have never played the position?

We've discussed this:

1. Your counting fumbles that arise from sacks and bad snaps (there was at least one of each in 2011 I believe). Obviously if he was a runner only, those type of fumbles wouldn't apply.

2. You're counting one year out of his career. Tebow fumbled rarely at college so his high numbers in one year could be an aberration.

 

[sb1]

QBs only win games when their name is Brady.

Why do you hate Christianity? What have they done to you?

Obviously you hate them if you have that blasphemous picture in your sig.

 

[Demosthenes]

Wrong and no I don't think so.

The QB is part of the "team", yes?

So...why should I give the QB all the credit for the "win"?

Did Big Ben and his 22 passer rating "win" Super Bowl 40?

Rather simple issue SB1. What do you think the Pats record will be this year with Brady starting ? And do you think that the Pats would have the same record this year if Mallett started all 16.


Sure, the QB is part of the team and the team usually has to play well overall for games to be won. But it's inaccurate to say that QBs don't win games.

 

[Brady6]

My support of Tebow is not nonsense. What's nonsense is people acting like the New England Patriots are doomed if they keep a qb who has proven he can win in the NFL on their roster.

I don’t act that way, although I have serious concerns about Tebow’s ability to play quarterback in the NFL I do recognize that he does have NFL athleticism, is a superior competitor, and has shown the ability to contribute to winning at the college and to a lesser degree in his time with the Broncos, I do not deny Tebow is a football player, I do question if he is a quarterback though. However no matter what happens with Tebow (here/cut) the thought of doom does not come to mind when I think of the 2013 New England Patriots.

Your attempt to compare Brady’s as a rookie to Tebow now was complete and utter nonsense, I’m not sure if the rumors of you being a troll are true or not, but I have taken the time to respond to you just the same, so if you’re in fact a troll looking to simply get a rise out of people I would appreciate it if you made that attempt on someone else, (preferably in another forum) because I can assure you that you will not get a rise out of me, I will respond to you logically each time therefore causing us both to waste our time, while neither accomplishing their goal for being in here today.

 

[sb1]

Rather simple issue SB1. What do you think the Pats record will be this year with Brady starting ? And do you think that the Pats would have the same record this year if Mallett started all 16.


Sure, the QB is part of the team and the team usually has to play well overall for games to be won. But it's inaccurate to say that QBs don't win games.

Well, it's extremely difficult to make a case that the team will be better with Mallett starting than Brady. QB is obviously a crucial part of the team.

But wins are always about the team, not the individual. QB's can't singlehandedly win football games. Pitchers can in baseball, hence they get credit for a W-L record.

That can't happen in football, it's too much of a team sport.

 

[PatriotReign]

I'll even admit he made plays and contributed to the playoff win over Pittsburgh. However, injuries on defense to starters Casey Hampton and Brett Kiesel weakened an already depleted team that was also playing without starting free safety Ryan Clark due to his blood illness. He would have done a better job defending the deep passes than Ryan Mundy. **** Lebeau's unwillingness to alter his defensive game plan and Ike Taylor's horrible performance also contributed heavily.

The other problem with drawing attention to the Steeler's game is that a week later he came into Foxborough and got shut down by the second worst defensive team in the league. A team that was starting absolute JAG's like Antwaun Molden, James Ihedigbo, Sterling Moore, Malcolm Williams, and Sergio Brown. Even worse Matthew Slater and Julian Edelman were being pressed into service on the defensive side.

 

[Demosthenes]

I will respond to you logically each time therefore causing us both to waste our time, while neither accomplishing their goal for being in here today.

That's also feeding the troll my friend

 

[manxman2601]

I don’t act that way, although I have serious concerns about Tebow’s ability to play quarterback in the NFL I do recognize that he does have NFL athleticism, is a superior competitor, and has shown the ability to contribute to winning at the college and to a lesser degree in his time with the Broncos, I do not deny Tebow is a football player, I do question if he is a quarterback though. However no matter what happens with Tebow (here/cut) the thought of doom does not come to mind when I think of the 2013 New England Patriots.

Your attempt to compare Brady’s as a rookie to Tebow now was complete and utter nonsense, I’m not sure if the rumors of you being a troll are true or not, but I have taken the time to respond to you just the same, so if you’re in fact a troll looking to simply get a rise out of people I would appreciate it if you made that attempt on someone else, (preferably in another forum) because I can assure you that you will not get a rise out of me, I will respond to you logically each time therefore causing us both to waste our time, while neither accomplishing their goal for being in here today.

Bravo and well said on every level.

 

[sb1]

I don’t act that way, although I have serious concerns about Tebow’s ability to play quarterback in the NFL I do recognize that he does have NFL athleticism, is a superior competitor, and has shown the ability to contribute to winning at the college and to a lesser degree in his time with the Broncos, I do not deny Tebow is a football player, I do question if he is a quarterback though. However no matter what happens with Tebow (here/cut) the thought of doom does not come to mind when I think of the 2013 New England Patriots.

Your attempt to compare Brady’s as a rookie to Tebow now was complete and utter nonsense, I’m not sure if the rumors of you being a troll are true or not, but I have taken the time to respond to you just the same, so if you’re in fact a troll looking to simply get a rise out of people I would appreciate it if you made that attempt on someone else, (preferably in another forum) because I can assure you that you will not get a rise out of me, I will respond to you logically each time therefore causing us both to waste our time, while neither accomplishing their goal for being in here today.

I think the "christian" comment tipped me off that this is not a poster that should be taken seriously.

I've seen a poster with the same schtick before on the ESPN board, at least before he was outed as a troll trying to get a rise out of Patriots fans. He was a Jet fan. Perhaps they are one and the same.

Did I get that right "Irish" err I mean detpatsfan?

 

[Demosthenes]

I'll even admit he made plays and contributed to the playoff win over Pittsburgh. However, injuries on defense to starters Casey Hampton and Brett Kiesel weakened an already depleted team that was also playing without starting free safety Ryan Clark due to his blood illness. He would have done a better job defending the deep passes than Ryan Mundy. **** Lebeau's unwillingness to alter his defensive game plan and Ike Taylor's horrible performance also contributed heavily.

The problem with drawing attention to the Steeler's game is that a week later he came into Foxborough and got shut down by the second worst defensive team in the league. A team that was starting absolute JAG's like Antwaun Molden, James Ihedigbo, Sterling Moore, Malcolm Williams, and Sergio Brown. Even worse Matthew Slater and Julian Edelman were being pressed into service on the defensive.

You are of course referring to that same "lousy defense" that held the NY Giants and Eli to 19 pts in the SB and held the Raves to 20pts in the AFCC ?

 

[Ironman44]

What are you even talking about? If anything you're the troll who pretends to like Tebow. Leave us Christians alone.

detpatsfan is NOT a Tebow fan.

Now I do ask you to stop torturing real Tebow fans, there is no need to kick us while we are down and if your motivation is to get back at Patriots fans then I ask you to find another way

Detpatsfan I do have to admit you are the very best of all the ones we have had to face off against the last 3 years. Mostly because of your tenaciousness as well as your careful planning.

Your modus operandi is to start off in a thread with reasonable post then progressively get crazier and crazier and crazier. The cool thing about the way you do it is that you sucker a whole bunch of people in with the normal sane post and then you deliver the blow so subtly no one can identify it.

Guys like demos and I can identify it almost immediately. I still think you deserve a tip of the hat because you are good at what you do but you gotta stop..please. I am not even joking at this point.