Has Tim Tebow earned a roster spot on the Patriots?

[Huckleberry1]

Show me an example of Tebow proselytizing when he is being interviewed or in any football related communication . Saying "I want to thank my lord and sacior blah blah blah.." is not proselytizing and a gazillion other players do it.

you wont find the example. IN fact find me an example of anyone even bringing up religion that is a tebow fan on these boards. (its another imaginary battle you are creating).

I am convinced now that Tebow just makes you uncomfortable, all his good deeds cause some sort of inner reflection inside of you...there is no other explanation on why a QB3 , that will most likely not even be on the team day 1 , has captivated your mind like this when you are NOT a fan of his.

if you are a fan and like the way he played at Florida and with the Broncos , that would be ok but you don't like him and think he sucks as a football player ,s o your obsession is way beyond the field .

I won't even charge you for this session on the couch, this one is on me....

Typical Tebow cult follower, if fans of his current team don't want it is because they hate christians. had Tebow come in here and played like Russell Wilson, Colin Kapearnick, hell, even Nick Foles then I would want him on the roster, I actually think he's a good guy and a really hard worker, it's his a-hole fans who refuse to accept the reality that he is not an NFL caliber player who are nauseating.

Yes, i am talking about you.

 

[Huckleberry1]

This'll be an interesting answer.

Honest answer manx, do you really believe that if Tebow had come in and played like Wilson, Kapearnick etc... that I would be calling for his release?

Do you think I want him released because he's a christian or because I think he is a terrible football player?

 

[Ironman44]

Again, if it's based on playing time and practice reports alone, he should be cut. The practice reports are mixed and he's looked anywhere from inconsistent to absolutely brutal. But if it's to give the defense looks against the read option (which neither Brady nor Mallett can run), then I could see him getting a spot.

Sir please with all due respect....there is absolutely no room for intelligent logic in this thread...move along...thank you.

 

[Ironman44]

Typical Tebow cult follower, if fans of his current team don't want it is because they hate christians. had Tebow come in here and played like Russell Wilson, Colin Kapearnick, hell, even Nick Foles then I would want him on the roster, I actually think he's a good guy and a really hard worker, it's his a-hole fans who refuse to accept the reality that he is not an NFL caliber player who are nauseating.

Yes, i am talking about you.

a-hole is a step up from some of the things i have been called for liking a a particular Patriots player ....I guess.......

thanks

 

[manxman2601]

Honest answer manx, do you really believe that if Tebow had come in and played like Wilson, Kapearnick etc... that I would be calling for his release?

Do you think I want him released because he's a christian or because I think he is a terrible football player?

I'll take you at your word that you're not motivated by bigotry. It's just that I've observed two things about people that don't like Tebow:

1. They really really don't like him to an obsessive level and I just cannot see why anyone is motivated to dislike a sportsman to that extent. If there's someone I don't like, firstly, I don't hate them obsessively and secondly I don't go on and on about them. But Tebow haters are obsessive.

2. There's almost always religious references being thrown about by people who don't like Tebow.

Add 1&2 together and it's pretty clear that a lot of the dislike for Tebow is motivated by his faith. But like I said, I'll take you at your word that this isn't the case for you - so leave out the religious references.

 

[Ironman44]

Honest answer manx, do you really believe that if Tebow had come in and played like Wilson, Kapearnick etc... that I would be calling for his release?

Do you think I want him released because he's a christian or because I think he is a terrible football player?

I think you cant stand his fans (even though they have done nothing to deserve that animosity) . I think if he makes the team you will root against him just so you can rub it in Tebow's fans faces.

That's really petty and its what I think.

 

[fnordcircle]

LOL, like yours are any better? At least mine is short and sweet!

 

[Demosthenes]

Honest answer manx, do you really believe that if Tebow had come in and played like Wilson, Kapearnick etc... that I would be calling for his release?

Do you think I want him released because he's a christian or because I think he is a terrible football player?

Considering that the last time Tebow was at the reigns as an actual QB, he took a bad team to the playoffs and racked up a victory ?

Do you really want to go there ?

 

[Huckleberry1]

I'll take you at your word that you're not motivated by bigotry. It's just that I've observed two things about people that don't like Tebow:

1. They really really don't like him to an obsessive level and I just cannot see why anyone is motivated to dislike a sportsman to that extent. If there's someone I don't like, firstly, I don't hate them obsessively and secondly I don't go on and on about them. But Tebow haters are obsessive.

2. There's almost always religious references being thrown about by people who don't like Tebow.

Add 1&2 together and it's pretty clear that a lot of the dislike for Tebow is motivated by his faith. But like I said, I'll take you at your word that this isn't the case for you - so leave out the religious references.

I don't dislike Tebow at all, i think he is a good guy and a really hard worker, i do dislike those who follow him from team to team telling the fans of that team that day is night and not wanting him is based upon bigotry and not the very real observation that he can't play. And to be really honest about it the idea that people who rooted for the Broncos to beat the Patriots 2 years ago, and for the jets to beat them twice last year think they can come into this forum and tell what we can and can't say, and where we can or can't say it is total crap. I can't wait for them to move on because they aren't Patriot fans in any sense of the word.

The religious metaphors and analogies are the result of tebow being overtly religious, he even trademarked "tebowing" and his supporters following him from team to team, and while they have every right to do so it is also very clearr that much of their love of tebow is a direct result of his overt christianity. That is not the case for some, like yourself, but is obviously the case for many, e.g...christiancat etc...Not a bad person by any means but very obviously a Tebow fan because of his overt faith and collegiate success.

 

[Awesomo 3000]

Not in regard to the thread title. The thread title is fine. Your premise here seems to be built around the notion Ivan provided that the only way Tebow makes the team is if the team feels bad for him in some way, which is insane. But the question of whether or not he's earned a spot on the 53 is a very valid one. If it wasn't, this thread wouldn't be nearing 500 posts.

This thread is reaching 500 posts because it's the new "Tebow" thread. The specific merits of the original "claim" have very little to do with that. And of course Tebow has to "earn" his spot. The only problem with debating it here, is that him "earning" his spot depends very much on if he's the kind of player that the coaches want to work with, and if they consider him useful as something other than a "conventional" quarterback.

If BB brought Tebow in to see if they could plug him into Brady's offense and succeed, then it's pretty much unanimous that Tebow won't make the team. If the coaches have other plans for him, then who knows... it depends on a lot of factors which we can't see on a daily basis. Some others, here, and in the media, have hinted that Tebow's being used in some sort of "special" situations, but since almost none of us have actually seen these, how can we accurately judge the situation?

The thing is that the team didn't seem to be looking at Brown as a bottom of the roster player. They seemed to think that he did enough to earn a starting rotation at safety, which is why Meriweather was sent packing then, a little later, Sanders. All because Brown had supposedly looked phenomenal in practice and was a hard worker. That's great and all, but Brown sucked. He looked bad in the preseason and he looked bad when the games counted as well. The starting safety rotation quickly because Chung and Ihedigbo, then McCourty and Ihedigbo in the playoffs. Like I said, you can't weigh practice performance too heavily and, even then, the reports on Tebow's practice performance have been mixed at best.

I Wasn't calling him a "bottom of the roster" player. I was just pointing out that the extra spots at the bottom of the roster give teams the flexibility to carry extra players at whichever position group they feel they want to keep. And there will always be situations like the one with Brown. If they misjudged him, then that sucks, but it happens all the time. Sometimes it pays off, and sometimes it doesn't.

I can't think of a single project that they'd be using him for outside of a read option practice QB. Perhaps you have more examples?

I was just showing a handful of examples for why Tebow earning his roster spot is more complicated than how he did in a preseason game, or two. Is he a good ol'fashioned project qb who they want to train up? Do they want to use him in more gimmicky ways for a handful of plays? Will they only use him as a scout team qb? Will they use him as a rb, to add a little extra passing dimension to it? Lots of questions a person could ask. It all hinges around what McD and BB want to do with him, if anything. They may or may not want to bother with it. If they brought him in to simply run Brady's offense as a backup this year, then he's almost certainly going to be cut.

 

[Demosthenes]

Seriously, stop and think about this for a second. In 2011, Tebow took over a 1-4 team that had been 5-22. By any definition, a very bad team. He managed to get that team into the playoffs (no, not by himself) and win a game against the Steelers, a game they were expected to lose.

Tebow did this with under 16 starts under his belt. With seriously flawed mechanics. And while being terribly inconsistent with his passing.

Now, if you were a coach looking at that, why wouldn't you stop and wonder what the possibilities were IF you could develop that QB ? If you could fix the mechanics and make him consistent? If you could teach him to read defenses better?

Ivan, you look at Tebow and see nothing but a wasted roster spot. I look at Tebow and see raw potential just waiting to be unlocked and polished. At yes, I fully well understand that Tebow might never realize that potential. That some of his flaws might not ever be overcome and he won't make it.

As has been said repeatedly, the question is what Bill and Josh believe. Perhaps they think that THEY can do things with that raw playoff winning QB that other coaches haven't.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Considering that the last time Tebow was at the reigns as an actual QB, he took a bad team to the playoffs and racked up a victory ?

Do you really want to go there ?

Absolutely, he couldn't pass for 50%, led the league in 3 and outs, fumbled more than any other player in the league, and got pasted by a healthy team and has ben nothing short of atrocious since. Now take it to the present day and tell us how his performance in NE has earned him a spot on the team?



oops, unfair question, tebow doesn't have to earn it, expecting that much is bigotry.

 

[JackBauer]

Seriously, stop and think about this for a second. In 2011, Tebow took over a 1-4 team that had been 5-22. By any definition, a very bad team. He managed to get that team into the playoffs (no, not by himself) and win a game against the Steelers, a game they were expected to lose.

Tebow did this with under 16 starts under his belt. With seriously flawed mechanics. And while being terribly inconsistent with his passing.

Now, if you were a coach looking at that, why wouldn't you stop and wonder what the possibilities were IF you could develop that QB ? If you could fix the mechanics and make him consistent? If you could teach him to read defenses better?

Ivan, you look at Tebow and see nothing but a wasted roster spot. I look at Tebow and see raw potential just waiting to be unlocked and polished. At yes, I fully well understand that Tebow might never realize that potential. That some of his flaws might not ever be overcome and he won't make it.

As has been said repeatedly, the question is what Bill and Josh believe. Perhaps they think that THEY can do things with that raw playoff winning QB that other coaches haven't.

Can you really call someone who has been in the league 4 years raw?

 

[Huckleberry1]

Seriously, stop and think about this for a second. In 2011, Tebow took over a 1-4 team that had been 5-22. By any definition, a very bad team. He managed to get that team into the playoffs (no, not by himself) and win a game against the Steelers, a game they were expected to lose.

Tebow did this with under 16 starts under his belt. With seriously flawed mechanics. And while being terribly inconsistent with his passing.

Now, if you were a coach looking at that, why wouldn't you stop and wonder what the possibilities were IF you could develop that QB ? If you could fix the mechanics and make him consistent? If you could teach him to read defenses better?

Ivan, you look at Tebow and see nothing but a wasted roster spot. I look at Tebow and see raw potential just waiting to be unlocked and polished. At yes, I fully well understand that Tebow might never realize that potential. That some of his flaws might not ever be overcome and he won't make it.

As has been said repeatedly, the question is what Bill and Josh believe. Perhaps they think that THEY can do things with that raw playoff winning QB that other coaches haven't.

Whereas what i see is a guy who cannot pass to save his life and fumbles like nobody else. The fourth year is time to cut bait, not the time to start a project with a valuable roster spot they will actually need. If he could be placed on the PS it would not be an issue, but he can't be, that is why there is a debate. If he could go to the PS they could use him to play the opposing QB in read option systems and i would be fine with that, i am not fine with cutting fells, Bolden, edelman or Cunningham etc... when edelman can actually play that role and has in the past.

 

[Demosthenes]

Absolutely, he couldn't pass for 50%, led the league in 3 and outs, fumbled more than any other player in the league, and got pasted by a healthy team and has ben nothing short of atrocious since. Now take it to the present day and tell us how his performance in NE has earned him a spot on the team?



oops, unfair question, tebow doesn't have to earn it, expecting that much is bigotry.

And even with all that, he still managed to turn Denver's season around, take them to the playoffs and beat the Steelers. And strangely enough, a number of those wins, even the playoff victory against the Steelers came by Tebow PASSING the ball.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Tebow did this with under 16 starts under his belt. With seriously flawed mechanics. And while being terribly inconsistent with his passing.

Why do you hate christians so much?

 

[manxman2601]

I don't dislike Tebow at all, i think he is a good guy and a really hard worker, i do dislike those who follow him from team to team telling the fans of that team that day is night and not wanting him is based upon bigotry and not the very real observation that he can't play. And to be really honest about it the idea that people who rooted for the Broncos to beat the Patriots 2 years ago, and for the jets to beat them twice last year think they can come into this forum and tell what we can and can't say, and where we can or can't say it is total crap. I can't wait for them to move on because they aren't Patriot fans in any sense of the word.

The religious metaphors and analogies are the result of tebow being overtly religious, he even trademarked "tebowing" and his supporters following him from team to team, and while they have every right to do so it is also very clearr that much of their love of tebow is a direct result of his overt christianity. That is not the case for some, like yourself, but is obviously the case for many, e.g...christiancat etc...Not a bad person by any means but very obviously a Tebow fan because of his overt faith and collegiate success.

I say the more the merrier. Being a Patriots fan isn't a closed club. I don't think it matters why Tebow fans like Tebow and I actually respect their commitment - I'd be more disappointed in them if they just dumped him at the first sign of adversity. I personally have found them polite and very respectful of this forum. From the beginning they were warned that taking over this forum would be frowned upon and they respected that. They kept their Tebow comments in Tebow threads, they did what they could to learn about the Patriots all the while being bullied by a minority on this site. Christian Cat has been appallingly treated at times.

As for Tebow trademarking Tebowing, I don't think so. He prayed and other people copied him. It was nothing to do with him. I bet he wished he could have trademarked it.

 

[Demosthenes]

Why do you hate christians so much?

I don't hate Christians, though some of them do annoy me at times when they bring religion into everything and start getting preachy.

 

[Demosthenes]

Can you really call someone who has been in the league 4 years raw?

I think so. Doing so would be an indictment of his previous coaches, to be sure. I think that Steve Young was still "raw" when he went to San Fran after his 4th year as a pro.

 

[Demosthenes]

I say the more the merrier. Being a Patriots fan isn't a closed club. I don't think it matters why Tebow fans like Tebow and I actually respect their commitment - I'd be more disappointed in them if they just dumped him at the first sign of adversity. I personally have found them polite and very respectful of this forum. From the beginning they were warned that taking over this forum would be frowned upon and they respected that. They kept their Tebow comments in Tebow threads, they did what they could to learn about the Patriots all the while being bullied by a minority on this site. Christian Cat has been appallingly treated at times.

As for Tebow trademarking Tebowing, I don't think so. He prayed and other people copied him. It was nothing to do with him. I bet he wished he could have trademarked it.

I completely agree with almost everything you said Manx. But Tebow did trademark Tebowing after it took off.

Tim Tebow prevails in trademarking 'Tebowing'