Gronk's whining about "no-fun Patriots" is wearing thin

[VectorPrime]

What's missing from the message simply is: greatness requires major pain-in-the-ass drudgery (a/k/a sacrifice). Gronk reaped beaucoup dividends from not "having fun" being pushed to excel while winning championships and making millions.

Gronk was a consensus first round can’t miss talent that fell to the second round due to back concerns and then was underpaid for his production so no.

 

[VectorPrime]

This would not be a discussion if they let Malcom play in that game.

People to this day, on this forum, still defend that decision.

 

[PatsfanTN]

To be honest, his meathead act wore thin on me years ago when he was with the Pats still. He acts like a Fu@@ing child.

 

[Boomer B]

What's missing from the message simply is: greatness requires major pain-in-the-ass drudgery (a/k/a sacrifice). Gronk reaped beaucoup dividends from not "having fun" being pushed to excel while winning championships and making millions.

That’s a bit simplified. The Rams, the Eagles, the Chiefs, the Bucs have all won recently. Their greatness required sacrifice as well, but the atmosphere in the building wasn’t as dark/moody. There’s more than 1 way to do it, and that’s been proven. Bill’s way worked for the Pats, but it’s not a requirement for teams to win.

 

[TomPatriot]

He left and won. Meanwhile, what’s happened in New England?

Sorry but people need to stop being butthurt over ex-Pats players and other players across the league saying Belichick is a hardass and sometimes it’s NOT actually in the “best interests of the team.”

He won a ring on a stacked team that Licht built. He contributed but he wasn’t the cause of Tampa’s SB win.

He’s trying to stay relevant.

 

[PatsfanTN]

That’s a bit simplified. The Rams, the Eagles, the Chiefs, the Bucs have all won recently. Their greatness required sacrifice as well, but the atmosphere in the building wasn’t as dark/moody. There’s more than 1 way to do it, and that’s been proven. Bill’s way worked for the Pats, but it’s not a requirement for teams to win.

Bills way helped create a dynasty. A machine. Those other Team can’t say that.

 

[Boomer B]

Bills way helped create a dynasty. A machine. Those other Team can’t say that.

Again, that’s very simplified. Bill had the best player in the history of the sport, and he had him for 20 years.

 

[Hammer of Thor]

Gronk was a consensus first round can’t miss talent that fell to the second round due to back concerns and then was underpaid for his production so no.

Nobody forced Gronk to sign an 8 year contract after his 2nd season in the NFL. He could have played out his rookie deal, and cashed in after 2013. Instead, he took the certainty of getting his money well up front (after 2011) in exchange for signing up for 2016, 2017, 2018 and 2019 at 2011 prices. That he regretted the decision afterwards is his problem. I’m sure Gronk would have been happy paying back all the up front cash in 2012 if his broken arm wound up being a career-ender.

 

[BTTA]

Again, that’s very simplified. Bill had the best player in the history of the sport, and he had him for 20 years.

If Brady had gone to most other teams as a 6th Round pick with an established Pro Bowl starter, he probably wouldn't have ever seen the field.

Circumstance and luck are equal contributors to talent and drive.

 

[Guts]

If Brady had gone to most other teams as a 6th Round pick with an established Pro Bowl starter, he probably wouldn't have ever seen the field.

Circumstance and luck are equal contributors to talent and drive.

Lol let's ease of on the TB vs BB before my boys Mac 10 and crawhammer step in

 

[Patsfan1958]

Great player but the frat boy image is wearing thin.

 

[Tunescribe]

That’s a bit simplified. The Rams, the Eagles, the Chiefs, the Bucs have all won recently. Their greatness required sacrifice as well, but the atmosphere in the building wasn’t as dark/moody. There’s more than 1 way to do it, and that’s been proven. Bill’s way worked for the Pats, but it’s not a requirement for teams to win.

Greatness isn't a one-off, by definition it means success sustained over a period of time. Look at any of the dynasties -- Patriots, Packers, Steelers, 49ers, Cowboys, Redskins, Dolphins -- all had old-school hard-asses at HC. For all of them it's a safe bet that making sure the players had "fun" was not priority No. 1.
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[Boomer B]

If Brady had gone to most other teams as a 6th Round pick with an established Pro Bowl starter, he probably wouldn't have ever seen the field.

Circumstance and luck are equal contributors to talent and drive.

Not saying he wasn't lucky to be able to get on the field, but without him do you really think we are talking about the "Patriot Way" in 2023? It took a whole lot of talent, smarts, drive, leadership, work, luck,....for things to work out the way it did. My whole point is let's not act like it takes Bill's way to win. It doesn't.

 

[StrawHatPatriot]

Eh, I can't knock him. It probably helped them win, but if it was a pain to deal with then he fan feel that way.

If Brady had gone to most other teams as a 6th Round pick with an established Pro Bowl starter, he probably wouldn't have ever seen the field.

Circumstance and luck are equal contributors to talent and drive.

Dude, stop.
Warner was undrafted, but got to see the field
Romo was undrafted but got to see the field
Freaking Taylor Heinicke was undrafted
Purdy was Mr. Irrelevant

Beyond the Bill vs Brady debate...

I don't understand this narrative Brady would have never seen the field at all If he wasn't a Patriot. It's really weird and desperate and horribly inaccurate.

 

[Tunescribe]

Gronk was a consensus first round can’t miss talent that fell to the second round due to back concerns and then was underpaid for his production so no.

So "no" WHAT? That he wasn't pushed to maximize his potential and didn't benefit from it? You're making no sense.

 

[StrawHatPatriot]

Not saying he wasn't lucky to be able to get on the field, but without him do you really think we are talking about the "Patriot Way" in 2023? It took a whole lot of talent, smarts, drive, leadership, work, luck,....for things to work out the way it did. My whole point is let's not act like it takes Bill's way to win. It doesn't.

What I hate is that this should be "you need a hard ass, AND a great QB"

But he made it "Brady wouldn't be **** without bill" thing

The other dynasties had both in common.

But at the same time, the players matter more.. Dallas won their 3rd ring with Switzer.

If the cheifs don't win again, it won't be because of Andy Reid not being a harass. It'll be their inability to shut down Burrow and Allen, and their ability to adjust and not be sloppy against complex coverages without Tyreek.

 

[Boomer B]

Greatness isn't a one-off, by definition it means success sustained over a period of time. Look at any of the dynasties -- Patriots, Packers, Steelers, 49ers, Cowboys, Redskins, Dolphins -- all had old-school hard-asses at HC. For all of them it's a safe bet that making sure the players had "fun" was not priority No. 1.
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Yes, but there's way more that goes into it. Bill came out of the generation where most coaches were hard asses. The men that grew up in the 1940's, 50's, 60's, etc.. are different then the younger coaches we see now. The players are much different then we have now also. These kids of the tik tok generation are much different then even the guys on the Pats dynasty team. Even Rob Ninkovich was talking the other day how its hard for even him to relate to the young players in the league. The Lombardi way may not fly with todays generation, especially with the price tags now of top end players, they have more control then most coaches do. A guy like McVay is gonna have an easier time relating to today's player than Belichick will.

You also look at the players on those teams you listed, littered with hall of famers, aside from the Redskins every team you listed had a hall of fame QB. You can't just say in 2023 you need to be a hard ass to win.

Without Brady no one even knows what the "Patriot Way" is.

 

[203Pat]

Bills way helped create a dynasty. A machine. Those other Team can’t say that.

I think Tom is the name you’re looking for.

 

[Real fan 02]

“We here in New England run a strict no-nonsense no-funny business operation where emotions are put to the side and it’s football all day every day and that’s why we win, oh btw Malcolm you’re benched because you made Steve cry.”

Agreed, but I'd add we used to win! The teams we've witnessed last 3 season resemble hardly anything from the championship years!

 

[Free_Pacman]

That’s a bit simplified. The Rams, the Eagles, the Chiefs, the Bucs have all won recently. Their greatness required sacrifice as well, but the atmosphere in the building wasn’t as dark/moody. There’s more than 1 way to do it, and that’s been proven. Bill’s way worked for the Pats, but it’s not a requirement for teams to win.

And between the Rams, Eagles, Chiefs, and Bucs, how many of those teams have won 2 Super Bowls, let alone 3, 4, 5, or 6?

Based off the nature of football (with one-and-done playoffs, a lucky bounce here or a missed call there can make all the difference), any playoff team can win a single super bowl. To have sustained success and multiple championships, I think you need at least some semblance of the culture Belichick fostered.

Funny how the only other coach to win multiple Super Bowls in the last twenty years is a guy fairly similar to BB that no one would ever accuse of being a “player’s coach”- Tom Coughlin