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For those of you who don't know the name, Boylhart is just a flat out VISIONARY.

Ouch. Have to strongly disagree there. What Boylhart is is independent, so every once in a while he'll nail one that others miss. But far, far more often he strikes out badly. He has a neat little trick, too: he hides all the evidence of his predictions after the draft, leaving behind only a "value board" that's reshuffled at the very last minute...after Rich Gosselin posts his. So looking at Boylhart's site now, you'd have no clue that his #1 overall pick for this year's draft was Tim Tebow.

But in particular, year after year, his glaring blind spot is linebackers. Particularly ILBs/MLBs. He's absolutely brutal with that position. Every single year he ranks borderline-draftable LBs in the top 2 rounds because they're "warriors." They never make it. And here's a fun brain teaser: what recent LB prospect is described below?

"He has the athletic abilities to cover on passing downs...slow to react to plays, but because of his speed and quickness, he is able to recover...needs to be in a defensive system that will allow him to flow to the play and not take on blockers if you make him your MLB. I think he would be a better OLB than a MLB at the next level...I'm not convinced that [he] has the work ethic and instincts to be a MLB in the NFL right now."
 
Ouch. Have to strongly disagree there. What Boylhart is is independent, so every once in a while he'll nail one that others miss. But far, far more often he strikes out badly. He has a neat little trick, too: he hides all the evidence of his predictions after the draft, leaving behind only a "value board" that's reshuffled at the very last minute...after Rich Gosselin posts his. So looking at Boylhart's site now, you'd have no clue that his #1 overall pick for this year's draft was Tim Tebow.

But in particular, year after year, his glaring blind spot is linebackers. Particularly ILBs/MLBs. He's absolutely brutal with that position. Every single year he ranks borderline-draftable LBs in the top 2 rounds because they're "warriors." They never make it. And here's a fun brain teaser: what recent LB prospect is described below?

"He has the athletic abilities to cover on passing downs...slow to react to plays, but because of his speed and quickness, he is able to recover...needs to be in a defensive system that will allow him to flow to the play and not take on blockers if you make him your MLB. I think he would be a better OLB than a MLB at the next level...I'm not convinced that [he] has the work ethic and instincts to be a MLB in the NFL right now."

My guess is that he said that about Jerod Mayo.
 
My guess is that he said that about Jerod Mayo.

It's a good guess! But Boylhart's LB who lacks instincts, toughness and work ethic but gets by on speed and quickness...the one who should be moved out to OLB where he doesn't have to react to plays so much but can just rely on his natural athleticism is:

Brandon Spikes.
 
It's a good guess! But Boylhart's LB who lacks instincts, toughness and work ethic but gets by on speed and quickness...the one who should be moved out to OLB where he doesn't have to react to plays so much but can just rely on his natural athleticism is:

Brandon Spikes.

No offense, by Boylhart wasn't the only one who said that. In fact, except for the part about lacking instincts, the common thought on Spikes was that he didn't have the ability to read/react or the sideline to sideline speed required of a MLB and that OLB would be a better position in the 4-3 because he would only be responsible for half the field, not the entire field.

But, watching the films, you could see that Spikes had extremely good instincts and that allowed him to over-come any "lack" of speed/agility he might have. But you could also tell that Spikes didn't have the speed to be a true MLB.
 
No offense, by Boylhart wasn't the only one who said that. In fact, except for the part about lacking instincts, the common thought on Spikes was that he didn't have the ability to read/react or the sideline to sideline speed required of a MLB and that OLB would be a better position in the 4-3 because he would only be responsible for half the field, not the entire field.

But, watching the films, you could see that Spikes had extremely good instincts and that allowed him to over-come any "lack" of speed/agility he might have. But you could also tell that Spikes didn't have the speed to be a true MLB.

It's not the position projection that alarmed me, it your (correct) statement in bold. Boylhart saw precisely the opposite -- a player who had extremely good speed/agility that allowed him to overcome his lack of instincts.

It's one thing to mis-predict the future, that's inevitable. It's the mis-readings of the present I take issue with.

(BTW, an ILB Boylhart rated above Spikes was Jacob Cutrera. He wasn't even a starter at LSU, but Boylhart decided that the LSU coaches were just blind, because the guy was obviously an every-down "complete, impactful linebacker.")
 
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It's not the position projection that alarmed me, it your (correct) statement in bold. Boylhart saw precisely the opposite -- a player who had extremely good speed/agility that allowed him to overcome his lack of instincts.

It's one thing to mis-predict the future, that's inevitable. It's the mis-readings of the present I take issue with.

(BTW, an ILB Boylhart rated above Spikes was Jacob Cutrera. He wasn't even a starter at LSU, but Boylhart decided that the LSU coaches were just blind, because the guy was obviously an every-down "complete, impactful linebacker.")

Believe me.. I don't look at Boylhart as the second coming of anything. I typically don't read the huddle report for my info. I tend to stick with NFL Draft Scout and NFL Draft Countdown. I'll occasionally get the sporting news draft review. And I get the ESPN Draft Primer because I get ESPNtheMag.

Beyond that, I've found many of the sites are just regurgitating one another.
 
SideLine Scouting on Marcel Dareus



Draft Bible on Marcell Dareus



Marcell Dareus is an absolutely awesome talent.

He'll probably go too early for us to get him, and I'd rather not see us give up sweet early Picks in order to move up and lock up a ton of Salary Cap space in one guy, when a LOAD of powerfull Talent is available, later on, for a fraction of the price...But if he were to fall to us, it certainly wouldn't break my heart.

Dareus is the #1 3-4 DE on my draft board. He plays the run and the pass both very well.

I am concerned that he wears down in games, but Woicik can fix that in one off season. He ate OT B Mosley of Auburn up whole in the first half, but did nothing in the second half yesterday. He needed a lot of oxygen on the sideline as well.

I think Dareus uses his hands really well and as a natural knee bender gets a lot of leverage against opposing Offensive lineman.

If he is available when we get on the clock, I feel comfortable BB will jump to scoop him up. But at this point I see Denver taking him first.

All the other 3-4 DE conversion or projects have at least one serious wart, serious enough to push them out of first round n my board. Although I think Ballard is the closest.
 
Ouch. Have to strongly disagree there. What Boylhart is is independent, so every once in a while he'll nail one that others miss. But far, far more often he strikes out badly. He has a neat little trick, too: he hides all the evidence of his predictions after the draft, leaving behind only a "value board" that's reshuffled at the very last minute...after Rich Gosselin posts his. So looking at Boylhart's site now, you'd have no clue that his #1 overall pick for this year's draft was Tim Tebow.

But in particular, year after year, his glaring blind spot is linebackers. Particularly ILBs/MLBs. He's absolutely brutal with that position. Every single year he ranks borderline-draftable LBs in the top 2 rounds because they're "warriors." They never make it. And here's a fun brain teaser: what recent LB prospect is described below?

"He has the athletic abilities to cover on passing downs...slow to react to plays, but because of his speed and quickness, he is able to recover...needs to be in a defensive system that will allow him to flow to the play and not take on blockers if you make him your MLB. I think he would be a better OLB than a MLB at the next level...I'm not convinced that [he] has the work ethic and instincts to be a MLB in the NFL right now."

Yeah, I might've leaned into it a bit, there, Sister.

What can I say?? I'm Irish.

More correctly put: Boyhart is occasionally brilliant, and absolutely untethered...and for that, I admire him.

But I DO take him with a BUCKET of salt.
 
* X Factor: DE JJ Watt *

NFP's Wes Bunting on JJ Watt

• Speaking of big defensive linemen, Wisconsin’s J.J. Watt is an impressive 6-6, 292-pound defensive end who plays with a great blend of power, flexibility and overall passion on the outside. The guy was downright unblockable at times this week vs. San Jose State and consistently was jarring blockers on contact and putting them on the ground. A potential big-time five-technique prospect at the next level.

And, Again...

I love Wisconsin DE J.J. Watt as a prospect. He’s a big, long, physical kid who can really pack a punch at the point of attack, push his side of the pocket and win in both the run and pass game. He looks like one of the top five-technique prospects in the draft whenever he comes out and will likely end up being a solid NFL vet for the next ten years.

Yet More From Bunting on JJ Watt...

Big Decision Looming

It was pretty obvious that Wisconsin DL J.J. Watt was a man on a mission Saturday night. He did a great job using his long arms and strong hands to slip blocks, exhibited a better initial burst off the snap in the pass game than I initially thought and consistently commanded double teams in the run game. He finished the game with four tackles, three tackles for loss, two sacks and a QB hurry and in my mind looks like potentially the draft’s top five-technique prospect. And with more and more teams playing in a 34 front, the demand for Watt on draft day could be rather high. Coming into the year, I didn’t think there was any way this guy comes out early. But he has played really well all season, has the kind of frame, length and strength to set and anchor on the edge and just looks like a ten-year vet who can come in and start for you very early in his NFL career and mature into a very good five-technique option down the line.

SideLine Scouting on JJ Watt

J.J. Watt - Wisconsin (HT: 6-6 - WT: 292)

Projection: 2nd Round



Positives: Rising up draft boards with his play this season, on pace for 60 tackles and seven sacks... Has stepped up his play with the departure of O'Brien Schofield... Good size... Would be an ideal fit in a 3-4 scheme as a five technique... Solid pass rusher... Very good first step... Can beat OT around the corner... Uses his hands extremely well... Sheds blocks efficiently... Strong enough to throw off linemen... Very powerful... Good bull rush... Solid rip move... Can slide through gaps... Long arms... Bats down a lot of passes... Solid versus the run... Commands double teams... Has the strength to anchor on the edge... Has experience playing both DE and DT in a four-man front... Has not missed a game at Wisconsin... Very good motor... Great special teams player... Has blocked two kicks in 20 career games... Could get some reps as a tight end in goal line packages... Played as a tight end in 2007 for Central Michigan before transferring to Wisconsin... Has filed the paperwork and is waiting for approval to start his own charity.

Negatives: Not an exceptional athlete... Can misread plays... Needs to keep contain... Will sometimes over-pursue on run plays.

Brother John Moffit, Fellow Grizzly ~ and others ~ on JJ Watt!!

MADISON, Wis. -- It was shortly after he had played perhaps his finest game in a stupendous individual season. J.J. Watt had completed his postgame media session and was still in uniform, his jersey torn but a brand new 2010 Big Ten Conference champions hat covering his head.

Watt perused the final statistics package. If he was looking over his numbers, he may still be standing there.

On Saturday at Camp Randall Stadium, Watt accomplished what might have seemed impossible: on a day when Wisconsin once again piled up an exorbitant amount of points in a 70-23 rout of Northwestern, he stole the show with his play from the defensive line.

Watt, the Badgers' outstanding junior defensive end and Big Ten Conference defensive player of the year candidate, had seven solo tackles, three for loss, a sack, two forced fumbles, and three quarterback hits, one of which forced an interception.

"There are a lot of good players out there, but J.J. is, at his position and what he has done for our defense, I can't say there is anybody in our league that is comparable," Wisconsin coach Bret Bielema said from underneath a Big Ten champions hat of his own.

With the 2010 regular season in the books, Watt finished second in the league with seven sacks, second in tackles for loss (21), and tied for third with three forced fumbles.

The main issue hurting Watt's defensive player of the year candidacy is the fact Purdue's Ryan Kerrigan ranks ahead of him in all three of those categories.

But whether Watt brings home the heavy hardware when the all-conference teams are announced tonight, his impact on the Badgers' season is undeniable. On a defense that is comprised of mostly solid but not spectacular players, Watt has been a constant throughout Wisconsin's march to the conference championship and a likely Rose Bowl berth. He is a playmaker in the truest sense of the label.

"J.J. has great instincts. He has the ability to anticipate plays, knocking down balls, running down plays from behind," Bielema said. "He plays 100 miles per hour with a huge heart. ... If anybody is playing better than him, I'd like to know.

"He's fun to be around, and I'm excited to get another game with him."

The way Watt dominated Saturday's game, and the way he's been playing all season, it seems that maybe the only offensive line that could really stop him shares the same locker room.

Wisconsin's offensive line has been a mauling unit all season. It is worth listening to Badgers guard John Moffitt when he gives his impression of Watt's play this year.

"Aside from the fact that most people have been unsuccessful blocking him, you also have to gameplan a little bit to him, too. I don't see too many people running to his side, which is tough. That's a big difference," Moffitt said. "When you start becoming the type of player that coaches have to say, 'OK, let's change our gameplan for him,' now you're a real disruptive force ... even if you're not making 10 tackles a game.

"He's the guy you have to key into. I'm just impressed with J.J.'s work ethic. He's so focused, so reliable. You know you can count on him."

This kid...

Well, I LOVE him.

And I would love to see us get him.
 
Re: * X Factor: DE JJ Watt *

You hunt Grizz Pilgrim? Can you skin grizz Pilgrim? How about you.....Brother Grid? i can see taking Watt but with pick 1B. I think he will fall into the second half of the first round. I want the Grizzly flanker first.
 
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Brother Grid, i can see taking Watt but with pick 1B. I think he will fall into the second half of the first round. I want the Grizzly flanker first.

Oh, HELL, yeah. :rocker:

I think Watts ~ because of his raw inexperience, and because of the GLUT of High Caliber DE Prospects, this year ~ rolls all the way to the 2nd Round!!

Grizzly first/Flanker first. As long as it's D Front 7, I'LL be happy!!
 
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Why not, indeed??

As The First Disciple of The InterNational House of Have My Cake and Eat It Too...I strongly approve of this message.
What do think of Crick of Neb. from what ive seen he was more disruptive than Watt. I haven't seen either of them in a while though, ive been trying to watch Fairly, Dareus, Beal, and Bowers.
 
Why not, indeed??

As The First Disciple of The InterNational House of Have My Cake and Eat It Too...I strongly approve of this message.

What do think of Crick of Neb. from what ive seen he was more disruptive than Watt. I haven't seen either of them in a while though, ive been trying to watch Fairly, Dareus, Beal, and Bowers.

You know, I'm actually intrigued by the guy. He's been forgotten, this year, despite a lot of preseason hurrah, but he's actually managed to be just about as effective without Suh demanding the Double Teams. He can definitely stand to put on some pounds, but at 6.6, he's definitely got the Frame ~ and the Velocity ~ to compete at an high level.

As over hyped as he was, 3 short months ago, he's now all but forgotten, and I give props for bringing him up.

Definite Value Play potential, in my view.
 
I have seen Crick play many times and he is sooo overhyped. As big as he is, hes average against the run and has his moments as a pass rusher. Based on his effort i wouldn't draft him at all. It looks like he just doesn't care out there. Brandon Deadrick looks much better than Crick and we took him in the 7th round.
 
I have seen Crick play many times and he is sooo overhyped. As big as he is, hes average against the run and has his moments as a pass rusher. Based on his effort i wouldn't draft him at all. It looks like he just doesn't care out there. Brandon Deadrick looks much better than Crick and we took him in the 7th round.
I watched him the first couple of games of the season he didn't look that bad, now i can't say either way. I just remembered his name when reading about Watt.
 
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It doesn't seem like alot of these guys meet the DL requirement in terms of size, Isn't BB looking for 300 lbers??

There seem to be a fair number of 285 lbers, but the pickings get slim for players of the right size.

Do we trade up to get the guy, Fairley??

((No wonder we took Brace when we did ))
 
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