Herm the hugger is not an X's and O's guy like Bill. In fact he makes sure those guys get canned before he does. He is not a personnel or cap guy either. He really more like a motivational force. Dungy without the cover 2. They brought him to KC when Vermeil left because they didn't want the hugging to stop. They also still thought they had the offense to win. He ran that puppy into the ground in 2 seasons. Now they are in full rebuild mode. Doesn't really matter who the HC is, and in KC hugging is a higher priority than changing cultures. Herm will be gone before most of these picks pay dividends. KC were the beneficiaries of the teams picking 1-4 and the Minnesota Vikings setting them up to be the best positioned team in the draft to address glaring needs. That is all. Would it be nice to have landed those players - absolutely. Would suck to have needed to, though... So don't overlook that Carl and Herm are also the guys who got them to that point.