Gasper: Patriots are feeling Colts' draft

[mayoclinic]

i agree 100% one of the biggest problems with the pats is they are trying to turn tom brady, in to manning, and it's not working for them. and thats not a knock on brady,

look at joe montana, stats they are good but noting like dan marinos, but montana has 4 rings because he had HOF players all over the place on he's team on both sides of the ball

QB'ing has never been just about the stats. I don't know how old you are, but if you were a fan back when Marino and Montana played you would know that it was never about Montana being surrounded by HOF players. He was the best money QB that ever lived, period. The second best money QB I ever saw was Tom Brady pre 2007. Since then he's tried to morph into Dan Marino/Peyton Manning, which, as you say, doesn't play to his strengths.

 

[Snake Eyes]

Re: Gasperatriots are feeling Colts' draft

According to all your posts on here, the Patriots suffer from second rate talent, coaching, player development, and drafting. You are quite the fan.

Is it true or not? If it is true should he just shut up and pretend that the Emperor is wearing clothes?

Maybe the first step to correcting a problem is to admit that there is one.

 

[Snake Eyes]

Since then he's tried to morph into Dan Marino/Peyton Manning, which, as you say, doesn't play to his strengths.

What kind of play would you prefer to see out of Brady?

 

[captain stone]

I'm glad to see more of you coming around to my way of thinking. Good on ye.

Bill's football acumen, both on the field & in the FO, is deteriorating before our eyes, and he's doing absolutely nothing about it.

Edit: Having said that, I also believe that without the Horse-Faced Goober, the dolts would be a .500 team, at best. Hell, they should've been only an 11-5 team this season, at best.

 

[mayoclinic]

What kind of play would you prefer to see out of Brady?

The Brady who played against Jacksonville, which was more of the norm pre-2007. The guy who spread the ball around to 8 different receivers, who went 23/26 for 267 yards with 4 TDs and 0 INTs. Not the guy throwing out of the shotgun all the time, racking up 350+ YPG but forcing the ball into coverage, always looking for Welker and Moss, and turning the ball over twice a game to kill important drives.

Less passing yardage but more passing efficiency, in other words.

 

[Synovia]

Re: Gasperatriots are feeling Colts' draft

Is it true or not? If it is true should he just shut up and pretend that the Emperor is wearing clothes?

Maybe the first step to correcting a problem is to admit that there is one.

Yeah, they're so second rate that they've got the 2nd best record in the league over the last 10 years.

They've gone 10-6 and 11-5 the last 2 years. Most teams would kill for that.

 

[ausbacker]

I'm glad to see more of you coming around to my way of thinking. Good on ye.

Bill's football acumen, both on the field & in the FO, is deteriorating before our eyes, and he's doing absolutely nothing about it.

Exactly at what point do you lose the knowledge and skills you've acquired whilst being a professional coach over many many decades?

You do realize this past decade the Patriots have had 1 losing season right? 1. 2007 & 2008 were the most bizarre years to follow in recent times and 2009 awfully mirrored some of the problems of 2005. The Patriots are 2 years removed from a Superbowl appearance. 2.

Whilst I don't agree with some of the personnel moves and acknowledging that the drafting has been poor in parts, the world sure as hell isn't caving in.

The Patriots off-season needs addressing hasn't even publicly begun and you have the gaul to say BB is doing nothing about it? Please....

 

[Synovia]

The Brady who played against Jacksonville, which was more of the norm pre-2007. The guy who spread the ball around to 8 different receivers, who went 23/26 for 267 yards with 4 TDs and 0 INTs.

Less passing yardage but more passing efficiency, in other words.

I don't think that Brady ever existed.

I do remember the Brady who throws 5 picks every time we play Miami. I don't want that guy back.

 

[LasVegasPatsFan]

Manning is what makes the Colts go. Plain and simple. Without him, they are no better than a 5-11 team, at best. They have an average defense and a below average run game. Manning is the only reason they are competitive. The difference with this team is that we still won 11 games without Brady. The point I am making is: "Who's a better team.... Manning-less Colts or Brady-less Patriots??

 

[D-Money]

Average defense?I would kill for a Mathis or Freeney right now on defense.Their defense plays faster then ours.

 

[patsinthesnow]

Reading through this, calling the pats SB's "ancient times" and "eons" ago is a joke. Talk about being spoiled fans.

Does everyone forget we were IN the superbowl 2 years ago?

 

[D-Money]

The expectations have been set!Colts fans and steelers fans are the same.Nobody remembers the loser in the superbowl!!!

 

[WhiZa]

Average defense?I would kill for a Mathis or Freeney right now on defense.Their defense plays faster then ours.

That's because it's a tampa-2. Sure we could have smaller/faster players, but our run defense would be nonexistent.

 

[WhiZa]

The expectations have been set!Colts fans and steelers fans are the same.Nobody remembers the loser in the superbowl!!!

Have you seen more 18-1 shirts or World Champion Giants t-shirts?

 

[patsinthesnow]

Have you seen more 18-1 shirts or World Champion Giants t-shirts?

If there ever was an instance a loser is remembered more than the Champion its SB42. DAMN.
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The 2008 season may have caused the offensive problems of the 2009 season with adjusting from Cassel to Brady. Also, someone else mentioned, I want to see Brady fired up.

 

[Hardboiled]

Re: Gasperatriots are feeling Colts' draft

Take out the Colts Superbowl 41 win and they don't have any with Manning. What's your point?

Why not take away Pitt's SBs and say they don't have any with Big Ben?

My point is the 3 SBs is a nice memory, but that's what it is for. Loved being at Houston and loved going to Jacksonville. But it's a memory. I don't hold the Pat's SBs against any other fan's team. I look to the current situation. After the New Orleans game, I walked out of the Super Dome and some Patriots fans start up with a Saints fan that the Patriots have 3 SBs. I guess if it makes you feel better - go for it. But I was thinking about how the Patriots were not an elite team this year. What does winning a Super Bowl 5 years ago have to do with getting your ass kicked on national tv in what was then the biggest game of the year? Not much to me.

It's one thing to be in the mix and not get there. I'd say in 2005 and 2006, you could make a case the Pats could have won a SB. 2007 is looking more and more like a one year aberration of dominance. Skip 2008. In 2009, I wouldn't say the Pats were a team capable of beating anyone in a AFCC or Super Bowl. They got the crap kicked out of them by a wild card team.

My point is that I don't play the game of "We've got 3 SBs" to others. Just as MayoClinic implied that it would be lame of SF fans to throw their 5 out against anyone else. At some point, it fades into history. The Pats 3 SBs are history for me. Nice history. But the 2009 year is current situation. The topic of this thread was about a current elite team and how they got there. Pats weren't an elite team in 2009. Nice record, but not in the mix with the elites. Winning a Super Bowl five years ago doesn't change it.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Re: Gasperatriots are feeling Colts' draft

I'm sorry, did I wake up in 2005?

Kids in elementary school right now have no recollection of the Patriots winning any Super Bowl, nevermind the most memorable one, Super Bowl 36.

Let's hope they're not in high school by the time the Pats win again.

Especially since a high percentage of them are already established posters here...

Two years ago we won 18 games and went to the Superbowl. Same year the by then finally defending champion Colts (who had signed a FA DT who would end up costing them $13M for appearing in a handful of games in that one season) fielded a roster that included 19 players who never set foot on an NFL field of financial necessity and got one and done bounced by their recent nemesis, the mighty Chargers.

Last season we won 11 games minus our HOF QB. Colts would be lucky to win 1 under those circumstances. Last season Wildcard Colts got bounced again by the SD Superfrauds WITH Manning as their starter.

Give me a freakin' break. Bill isn't managing this team to appease the ADHD generation that permeates this frontrunner fanbase. He's building a team that can compete every season, even when Brady isn't under center... Polian hasn't even bothered to attempt that. His goal for much of the last decade was to surround his centerpiece QB with just enough talent to win sufficient games to get a new taxpayer stadium built so the Colts wouldn't have to be relocated in the middle of the night yet again. He's succeeded and is playing out that string which will apparently include at least two superbowl appearances in the 12 seasons since he drafted his centerpiece QB #1 in 1998... while all that loser Belichick has managed is 4 in the 10 seasons since he drafted his less expensively in the 6th.

 

[carolinatony]

The guy who spread the ball around to 8 different receivers, who went 23/26 for 267 yards with 4 TDs and 0 INTs. Not the guy throwing out of the shotgun all the time, racking up 350+ YPG but forcing the ball into coverage, always looking for Welker and Moss, and turning the ball over twice a game to kill important drives.

Less passing yardage but more passing efficiency, in other words.



That's what I was trying to say. Marino won Zip as good as he is. Montana who I called the greatest had a running game and Rice and a few players on that Defense as well. They had a very underrated defense.
I go back to Y.A. Tittle by the way.
We were better when we ran the ball and Brady threw to the Open man and our defense was one of the best.

 

[Jangles]

Re: Gasperatriots are feeling Colts' draft

You don't see his math's off? Three SB's in four years vs two SB's in four years ( technically only two appearances, the Colts haven't won it yet). So you tell me, who's catching up to who exactly.

Their 2 appearances have both happened more recently since our last win

I'd say we're playing catch up

 

[Snake Eyes]

Re: Gasperatriots are feeling Colts' draft

Yeah, they're so second rate that they've got the 2nd best record in the league over the last 10 years.

They've gone 10-6 and 11-5 the last 2 years. Most teams would kill for that.

Comparing to 08 is a bit skewed since Cassel was QB, but as far as 09 goes how many really good teams did they beat, how many of those wins were against crappy teams? How many comebacks did they make? The 09 Patriots were a team that couldn't beat a good team and melted down in games they should have won.

Wins/Losses are stats, you remember what BB said about stats? We had a better win/loss record than the Jets but they would probably mop the floor with us right now and they might very well be the owners of the division next season.

The team needs to make big changes and drafting is part of it.