Gardner Minshew as a possible Pats QB?

[lancerman]

What is the motivation for Jacksonville to let Minshew go? He has two years remaining on his contract and is getting paid a 6th round rookie contract wage... they aren't letting him go.

We'd be lucky to get him if they did though. His situation reminds me a lot of Drew Brees back before he went from the Chargers to the Saints. Despite playing well, GM's and coaches weren't sold on Brees because he wasn't prototypically tall or fit the mold of a starter. Nick Saban in Miami famously chose Daunte Culpepper over Brees, a bad decision that ended his professional career.

Minshew is a gamer, he's a good QB on a terrible team with a terrible O-Line and he's cheap. We'd be lucky to have him, especially have him as a bridge guy with a rookie in the chute. Football is a TEAM sport, the Jags weren't 1-15 because of Gardner, they were horrible because they're a horrible team.

You let him go in either two scenarios.

1. You need to make room for another QB

2. You get a great offer for him.

In scenario 1, it would say alot about how little they value him. In scenario 2, it pretty much destroys any value reasons for getting him.

Btw he's not Drew Brees. He's very mediocre who shows small flashes every once and awhile. Nobody who actively watches the Jaguars every week thinks much of him.

 

[PittPatriot]

Stidham got a 26 - might explain taking a little longer to learn the playbook?

Brady was a 33. He seemed smart enough.

 

[Brandon_Cox]

There's one clear and obvious advantage to signing Minshew. We could watch our good friend and great poster @KontradictioN 's head explode in real time.

 

[Wozzy]

You let him go in either two scenarios.

1. You need to make room for another QB

2. You get a great offer for him.

In scenario 1, it would say alot about how little they value him. In scenario 2, it pretty much destroys any value reasons for getting him.

Btw he's not Drew Brees. He's very mediocre who shows small flashes every once and awhile. Nobody who actively watches the Jaguars every week thinks much of him.

1. Make room for another QB? They'll fire Mike Glennon or Jake Luton first, neither is an NFL QB nor ever will be. Minshew had one of the highest sack percentages in the league, the Jags rushing attack was 28th worst in yards... to say their offensive line is a dumpster fire is being nice.

Football is won in the trenches, no matter how often fans hear these simple maxims from football gurus they still ignore them and assume it's the QB and the QB alone that makes things go. The Browns went out in year two of Baker Mayfield and got him Odell Beckham to pair with Landry, they had "super weapons" and Baker's stats actually got worse from the year prior. This year they went out and built a stud offensive line in front of him, Odell missed the season with injury and yet the offense and Baker are still substantially better. It starts with the O-Line and blocking. A great QB like Andrew Luck can't carry a bad O-Line before inevitably he gets hurt and hurt again.

2. The Jags have zero motivation. Gardner is a good player, a good backup plan if Lawrence struggles or gets hurt, he is making 850K and 965K over the next two years. Also they certainly won't trade him in the same division unless they're idiots.

I didn't say Minshew was Drew Brees, I said his situation reminds me of Brees situation with San Diego back when he was starting out and nobody wanted him. Minshew would be a good to great player on a good team. Dolphins fans and fans around the league thought Ryan Tannehill sucked and not Adam Gaze... which proved to be true?

 

[Ochmed Jones]

The radio guys had a spirited debate today about if bb would take a flier on trubisky this off season.

Their conclusion was if the top 4 qb’s are off the board by 15, then they think bb tries to rehabilitate trubisky. Can’t be worse than newton!

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Brady was a 33. He seemed smart enough.

Brady's 33 is 7 points above Stidham's 26. If Brady "seemed smart enough" than anyone from a 33 (26 +7 = 33) to a 19 (26 -7 = 19) will seem smart enough? Hint: That is a rhetorical question to show you how silly your post is and there is no need to reply.

 

[fnordcircle]

2. The Jags have zero motivation. Gardner is a good player, a good backup plan if Lawrence struggles or gets hurt, he is making 850K and 965K over the next two years. Also they certainly won't trade him in the same division unless they're idiots.

I don't think they'll trade Minshew but that's primarily because I don't think he'll net in a trade what he's worth to them.

That being said his value will probably never be higher than it will be this offseason. He'll probably be worth less after he starts for the first 6-8 games and then is benched for Lawrence.

 

[Kontradiction]

1. Make room for another QB? They'll fire Mike Glennon or Jake Luton first, neither is an NFL QB nor ever will be. Minshew had one of the highest sack percentages in the league, the Jags rushing attack was 28th worst in yards... to say their offensive line is a dumpster fire is being nice.

Football is won in the trenches, no matter how often fans hear these simple maxims from football gurus they still ignore them and assume it's the QB and the QB alone that makes things go. The Browns went out in year two of Baker Mayfield and got him Odell Beckham to pair with Landry, they had "super weapons" and Baker's stats actually got worse from the year prior. This year they went out and built a stud offensive line in front of him, Odell missed the season with injury and yet the offense and Baker are still substantially better. It starts with the O-Line and blocking. A great QB like Andrew Luck can't carry a bad O-Line before inevitably he gets hurt and hurt again.

2. The Jags have zero motivation. Gardner is a good player, a good backup plan if Lawrence struggles or gets hurt, he is making 850K and 965K over the next two years. Also they certainly won't trade him in the same division unless they're idiots.

I didn't say Minshew was Drew Brees, I said his situation reminds me of Brees situation with San Diego back when he was starting out and nobody wanted him. Minshew would be a good to great player on a good team. Dolphins fans and fans around the league thought Ryan Tannehill sucked and not Adam Gaze... which proved to be true?

The offense is going to be completely redesigned around Lawrence. To say that he and Minshew are completely different QBs is putting it lightly. They’ll unload Minshew and either keep Luton as a back-up (since his game is similar to Lawrence), sign a veteran back-up ala Fitzpatrick, or double dip. But they’re not keeping Minshew to back up Lawrence.

 

[Wozzy]

The offense is going to be completely redesigned around Lawrence. To say that he and Minshew are completely different QBs is putting it lightly. They’ll unload Minshew and either keep Luton as a back-up (since his game is similar to Lawrence), sign a veteran back-up ala Fitzpatrick, or double dip. But they’re not keeping Minshew to back up Lawrence.

Assuming health Minshew will have a much better career than Luton. Minshew can pass, he can pass from the pocket. How is he different than any other passing QB besides degrees of accuracy?

 

[Kontradiction]

Assuming health Minshew will have a much better career than Luton. Minshew can pass, he can pass from the pocket. How is he different than any other passing QB besides degrees of accuracy?

Because that offense is going to be heavily built around Lawrence’s legs as well as his arm. Minshew is your standard undersized pocket passer with *some* mobility and a noodle arm. He also does not fit Urban Meyer’s offense. He’s going to get shipped out.

 

[Ochmed Jones]

Minshew had no arm strength! Not sure he fits any offense.

 

[JPsPats]

Sign Fitzpatrick so he can complete the AFCE tour by playing for every team in the division.

 

[Wozzy]

obviously Because that offense is going to be heavily built around Lawrence’s legs as well as his arm. Minshew is your standard undersized pocket passer with *some* mobility and a noodle arm. He also does not fit Urban Meyer’s offense. He’s going to get shipped out.

Jake Luton had -113 rushing yards in college... he literally ran the wrong way... he also threw 6 INT’s to 2 TD’s this year and completed 54% of his passes... but I’m sure this all makes sense somewhere.

 

[Pape]

1. Make room for another QB? They'll fire Mike Glennon or Jake Luton first, neither is an NFL QB nor ever will be. Minshew had one of the highest sack percentages in the league, the Jags rushing attack was 28th worst in yards... to say their offensive line is a dumpster fire is being nice.

Football is won in the trenches, no matter how often fans hear these simple maxims from football gurus they still ignore them and assume it's the QB and the QB alone that makes things go. The Browns went out in year two of Baker Mayfield and got him Odell Beckham to pair with Landry, they had "super weapons" and Baker's stats actually got worse from the year prior. This year they went out and built a stud offensive line in front of him, Odell missed the season with injury and yet the offense and Baker are still substantially better. It starts with the O-Line and blocking. A great QB like Andrew Luck can't carry a bad O-Line before inevitably he gets hurt and hurt again.

2. The Jags have zero motivation. Gardner is a good player, a good backup plan if Lawrence struggles or gets hurt, he is making 850K and 965K over the next two years. Also they certainly won't trade him in the same division unless they're idiots.

I didn't say Minshew was Drew Brees, I said his situation reminds me of Brees situation with San Diego back when he was starting out and nobody wanted him. Minshew would be a good to great player on a good team. Dolphins fans and fans around the league thought Ryan Tannehill sucked and not Adam Gaze... which proved to be true?

3. And he's cheap... really really cheap.... less than 900k cap hit for 2021... can't see wht Jax would cut him loose unless they got a high draft pick or two, and even then it would be tempting to keep him while they train up Lawrence

 

[Kontradiction]

Jake Luton had -113 rushing yards in college... he literally ran the wrong way... he also threw 6 INT’s to 2 TD’s this year and completed 54% of his passes... but I’m sure this all makes sense somewhere.

I don’t think they’ll keep Luton or Minshew. But if they were to keep either as a back-up, my pick would be Luton. But what do I know? My wife is only a Jags fan and I have two TVs in the den, one of which is dedicated to watching the Jags every weekend. I also, you know, live here and hear all the rumors and talk radio. Remind me again how many Jags games you’ve caught in the last two years again? I’m guessing the two Thursday night games and that’s about it.

 

[Wozzy]

3. And he's cheap... really really cheap.... less than 900k cap hit for 2021... can't see wht Jax would cut him loose unless they got a high draft pick or two, and even then it would be tempting to keep him while they train up Lawrence

Exactly right, cheap for two more years, substantially better than Luton or Glennon... it's silly unless he tries to push his way out of town. And what leverage does he have to make this happen... none.

 

[Wozzy]

I don’t think they’ll keep Luton or Minshew. But if they were to keep either as a back-up, my pick would be Luton. But what do I know? My wife is only a Jags fan and I have two TVs in the den, one of which is dedicated to watching the Jags every weekend. I also, you know, live here and hear all the rumors and talk radio. Remind me again how many Jags games you’ve caught in the last two years again? I’m guessing the two Thursday night games and that’s about it.

If there's anything I've learned posting on boston.com and here for the last two decades is that the majority of fans are irrational emotional mouth breathers who praise or blame the QB for everything. I lived in Miami for decades, I heard Tannehill was terrible and that's why the Dolphins never won. The Titans don't have that problem... they have a defense problem.

At one point the Pet Rock was a thing and Milli Vanilli were the most talented pop act in the world... tell me again how I should believe something because the majority do.

 

[oceansizer]

Sign Fitzpatrick and let the guy finish his tour in AFC East. After so many years in our division and experience he knows every Miami,Buffalo and Jets' scheme and he will give us a ring .

 

[Kontradiction]

If there's anything I've learned posting on boston.com and here for the last two decades is that the majority of fans are irrational emotional mouth breathers who praise or blame the QB for everything. I lived in Miami for decades, I heard Tannehill was terrible and that's why the Dolphins never won. The Titans don't have that problem... they have a defense problem.

At one point the Pet Rock was a thing and Milli Vanilli were the most talented pop act in the world... tell me again how I should believe something because the majority do.

This is a pretty terrible counter argument altogether. Absolutely rife with logical fallacies. You have a false equivalence followed by a red herring, and you cap it off with a straw man.

You understand there is a massive difference between a QB coming from an Air Raid system vs Meyer’s system, yes? You also just sang the praises of Mitchell Trubisky in that thread, so you’ll forgive me if I don’t take your evaluation of quarterback play very seriously. How many Jags games have you watched over the last two seasons?

 

[Wozzy]

This is a pretty terrible counter argument altogether. Absolutely rife with logical fallacies. You have a false equivalence followed by a red herring, and you cap it off with a straw man.

You understand there is a massive difference between a QB coming from an Air Raid system vs Meyer’s system, yes? You also just sang the praises of Mitchell Trubisky in that thread, so you’ll forgive me if I don’t take your evaluation of quarterback play very seriously. How many Jags games have you watched over the last two seasons?

Singing the praises... hardly. I put him in that 2nd tier of QB's with the Joe Flaccos, Goffs and Wentzs of the world. That being said I put Luton and Glennon in that third category, which means if I run a team I simply don't roster them.

Unless the Pats are on, I flip between channels on the football package depending on score, matchup and situation. I don't know how many Jags games I've watched, or Texans or Chiefs games for that matter... I don't have to watch every game to assess good or bad. Mahomes or Deshaun Watson are going to be great whether I'm watching or not. Minshew is going to be an "average/good" QB on a horrible team. A "bad" player can't put up good stats on a terrible and getting worse weekly team, which is what Minshew has done for the last two years.