Fun/Sad BB/Browns fact

[Uncle Rico]

 

[Simpelton]

The Browns are the Browns. They should know by now that the best they can do for their franchise is whatever the opposite of what they decide is a good idea.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I posted that very same stat earlier this week. They stole that from me!!

Also over that span BB has as many playoff wins as Brown HC as does Hue Jackson does regular season ones- 1

 

[TommyD4207]

This should add some perspective to all the 'Belichick was a failure in Cleveland' nonsense.

 

[Bonzo]

Happy to see RAC #2.

(And Mangini buried.)

 

[Pat the Pats Fan]

Since 1990; 3 winning seasons, Belichick, Davis and Crennel. 1 play off win, by Belichick against parcell’s pats.

 

[goheels22002]

If the Cleveland Browns had just kept every draft pick and used their top two draft picks every year for the past ten years to select the best offensive and defensive linemen on the board, they'd be a monster franchise. I look at their drafts and just shake my head. When you consistently have a top 3 pick in every round of the draft, you can build a great team at minimum cost under the current CBA.

Look at this list first round picks going back to 2008: List of Cleveland Browns first-round draft picks - Wikipedia

 

[lancerman]

Kind of.... the Browns Belichick coached are really the Ravens now.

 

[maineman209]

The Browns have won 4 games out of their last 53 dating back to November, 2014. For their last win before this stretch, their starting QB was Hoyer (who went 7-6 for them that season).

For their four wins since, the starting QBs have been RGIII, Johnny Football (2 wins) and Josh McCown.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Kind of.... the Browns Belichick coached are really the Ravens now.

In fact but not in record. The anger over the move led the NFL to declare that the Ravens, for record purposes, would be considered a new franchise (unlike, for example, the LA Chargers). The old stats stayed with CLE.

 

[lancerman]

In fact but not in record. The anger over the move led the NFL to declare that the Ravens, for record purposes, would be considered a new franchise (unlike, for example, the LA Chargers). The old stats stayed with CLE.

I know. It's like fake reality. It's even funnier because Brown's fans hate it because it reminds them that the lineage that actually carried the old lore is really somewhere else and Ravens fans hate it because they are associated with the Browns.

 

[Wheelman]

This dude makes an excellent point though



The guy who made the tweet needs to take that guys advice and STFU.

 

[jah]

Despite the Schottenheimer technicality, it's still funny how people point to BB's Cleveland years as proof he's not good considering he's still one of the best things that happened to them. (also to a much, much smaller degree...Hoyer)

That being said, if you're talking about the Browns last century, you're talking about the Ravens this century, and they've done just fine despite being some mfs.

 

[nabwong]

The Browns are missing the heart of Te Fiti.

 

[archstanton543]

This should add some perspective to all the 'Belichick was a failure in Cleveland' nonsense.

You can still be a failure and have more coaching wins for that franchise than anyone else.

Although, if we're being honest, BB didn't coach this Browns franchise. He coached the one that is now the Baltimore Ravens and if you look at wins by coaches of that franchise, he is, indeed a failure.

 

[Bobsyouruncle]

3-13 199o Browns pre- Belichick
6-10 1991. BB first year
7-9 1992
7-9 1993
11-5 1994 and playoff win
5-11 1995 Modell announced move.
4-12 1996 Ravens

He took a 3-13 team improved their record. Had them in the playoffs in four years before Modell announced a move. Even under the circumstances of his last year BB got more wins than the coach that followed him.

 

[Patsfanin Philly]

Since 2000 when BB became coach of the NEP.........
Cleveland 86 wins
Patriots 235 wins ( including playoffs)

 

[Wheelman]

Despite the Schottenheimer technicality, it's still funny how people point to BB's Cleveland years as proof he's not good considering he's still one of the best things that happened to them. (also to a much, much smaller degree...Hoyer)

That being said, if you're talking about the Browns last century, you're talking about the Ravens this century, and they've done just fine despite being some mfs.

My gripe with this is that it was a stat to prop up BB. So instead of doing the past 30 years, the guy should do the stat since BB started coaching the Browns in 91.

If they want to do a 30 year stat like that. They need to put an asterisk next to Schottenheimer's name and at the bottom state that he won 44 games with the Browns.

This happens too often. Good on that guy calling out the guy who posted the info.

Good point on the Browns being the Ravens though!

 

[maineman209]

You can still be a failure and have more coaching wins for that franchise than anyone else.

Although, if we're being honest, BB didn't coach this Browns franchise. He coached the one that is now the Baltimore Ravens and if you look at wins by coaches of that franchise, he is, indeed a failure.

Well, Belichick's replacement, Ted Marchibroda, didn't exactly set the world on fire for those first three seasons in Baltimore (16-31-1), in spite of being the HC after the Ravens drafted Ray Lewis and Jonathan Ogden in 1996 (probably the work of Newsome & Jim Schwartz, both of whom had also been in charge of scouting/personnel under BB).

 

[lancerman]

You can still be a failure and have more coaching wins for that franchise than anyone else.

Although, if we're being honest, BB didn't coach this Browns franchise. He coached the one that is now the Baltimore Ravens and if you look at wins by coaches of that franchise, he is, indeed a failure.

And this is kind of the bigger thing. The Browns prior to the split where the Ravens moved to Baltimore were not the crap joke franchise that the current Browns are. This was a team that was making an winning playoff games even a couple years before Belichick got there and were respectable throughout most of the 80's.

In the Super Bowl era that team only had 7 losing records before Belichick got there in the early 90's. Then Belichick had 4 losing records in his five year stint, making him arguably the least successful coach in the original Browns franchise. And from the start of the franchise to Belichick's tenure, only Forest Gregg (two seasons) and Jim Shofner (1 season, the one before BB got there) had worse winning percentages (unless you want to count a guy who only coached one game and lost).

It's a bit misleading.