From the Globe...what went down in the 3rd round

[SavioKid]

Supposingly inside info from the Globe on what happened during the Pats 3rd rounder (#69) pick that was traded...

http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/reiss_pieces/2008/04/how_fast_things_1.html

How fast things can change
Posted by Mike Reiss, Globe Staff
April 27, 2008 05:46 PM

When the Patriots were on the clock with their first selection of the third round, 69th overall, they had settled on their draft choice. A team official phoned Michigan linebacker Shawn Crable and the connection was made. As Crable was about to be informed of the pick, the phone in the Patriots' draft room rang. It was the Chargers, wondering if the 69th pick might be for sale -- in exchange for a 2009 second-rounder and a 2008 fifth-rounder. The Patriots quickly processed the information and told Crable they were still interested in him and hoped he might be available with their next third-round pick (No. 78), but something had come up with a trade. They wished him well, wondering if they'd be speaking again. Nine picks later, the Patriots rang Crable's phone again -- this time to pick him officially.

In the fifth round, the Patriots were keeping a close eye on Nebraska defensive back Zackary Bowman and began working the phone lines in hopes of striking a deal to select him. A tentative deal was in place with the Jaguars at No. 153 if Bowman was available. It appeared as if things would work out, but the Bears snared Bowman at No. 152 and the deal was off.

 

[Keegs]

Supposingly inside info from the Globe on what happened during the Pats 3rd rounder (#69) pick that was traded...

that's great.

Just like with Mayo, they get more picks for moving down and drafting the exact same player that they targeted.

 

[kierkegaard]

Awesome if true!

 

[brady199]

Being in the War Room year in and year out must take some years out of your life expectancy.

 

[apple strudel]

It's so informative to learn what really happened. So much of the draft is luck. But it's great to get the guy you were targeting AND add a 2nd round next year for the pleasure.

 

[Patsfanin Philly]

It's so informative to learn what really happened. So much of the draft is luck. But it's great to get the guy you were targeting AND add a 2nd round next year for the pleasure.

A 1,, 2 2's and I'm guessing 2 3's ( Pats own and a compensatory one for Samuel)

 

[primetime]

Being in the War Room year in and year out must take some years out of your life expectancy.

At the end of the day, it's only a game. Really, it is.

 

[TripleOption]

At the end of the day, it's only a game. Really, it is.

No, it's not. It's not to Coaches and Scouts that make their living doing this. It's their careers, their livelihood. It's how they pay their mortgages and feed their kids.

 

[amazinPats]

It's so informative to learn what really happened. So much of the draft is luck. But it's great to get the guy you were targeting AND add a 2nd round next year for the pleasure.

And the positioning of each player in the draft is not EXACT. In other words, a player targetted in the second round could be seen as a 2-4 round pick depending on the dynamics. It seems as if the media people tend to forget this fact.

Additionally, the meda people list the top 100 or so players without being able to examine any of them really closely. NFL teams, on the other hand, send scouts and visit a certain number of them. The teams might have to rely on media scouts to get the overall picture, but precise picks are visited and more is known about them after research. The exact picking order really doesn't come into play. I think teams have to generally imagine the round a player is likely to go--it's hardly an exact science.

So the Pats may have rated Wheatley to fall in rds 2-3. They checked the player out more closely than any of the media. Maybe objectively he could have been taken early in the third round, but a player's draft position is not exactly known. They valued him at rd 2 and that's all what counts. Yes, they likely did more research than the media did. I trust the teams more than I trust media projections.

 

[zippo59]

And by the way, Zach Bowman was a 6 foot tall cornerback.

 

[unoriginal]

Obviously Reiss meant 142 and 143, we DID end up taking Slater at 153.

Another draft trade tidbit came from the SI.com blogs and Jim Trotter, about us trying to move up to #5:

When Oakland selected running back Darren McFadden , the Chiefs listened to trade offers from New Orleans and New England -- the Saints offered the best deal, which included their first- and seventh-round picks this year and a No. 1 next year. But the Chiefs decided that wasn't enough for a guy whom many consider to be the best defensive player in the draft.

Interesting note, when the Raiders selected McFadden, a gathering of Chiefs fans at the team's practice facility cheered. And when it was noted that Kansas City was listening to trade offers, the fans booed. They cheered again when Dorsey was selected.

source: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/football/nfl/specials/draft/2008/04/25/draft.blog/4.html

 

[JoePats]

Being in the War Room year in and year out must take some years out of your life expectancy.

Yea it seems amazing. There's a video on NFL.com somewhere about the first-round in 2004 and the Pats waiting for Vince Wilfork at 21 and they considered trading up a couple of different times. But there aren't that many 3-4 teams, and there were less in 2004 as I recall. They were worried about Pitt but they took Roethlisberger. There were a few other potential landing spots too. It's a great video that shows patience is often rewarded.

 

[Sicilian]

A 1,, 2 2's and I'm guessing 2 3's ( Pats own and a compensatory one for Samuel)

This is why the Pats have been able to field a consistent top tier team. It seems that every year they have two #1's, or two #2's, yet they hardly ever have to give up anyone they're not ready to walk away from (aka, the Jared Allen trade, for example).

They get their guy, and an extra first day pick. Good stuff.

 

[reflexblue]

And by the way, Zach Bowman was a 6 foot tall cornerback.

Zach Bowman was a 6 foot tall cornerback.
DAAAAAAMMMNNBBBB it.

 

[primetime]

No, it's not. It's not to Coaches and Scouts that make their living doing this. It's their careers, their livelihood. It's how they pay their mortgages and feed their kids.

I don't think any of the GMs, scouts, or coaches have problems finding new jobs if they happen to be fired. Especially scouts, they last forever.

 

[SavioKid]

I don't think any of the GMs, scouts, or coaches have problems finding new jobs if they happen to be fired. Especially scouts, they last forever.

Please..half of those guys do not even HAVE mortgages! (they pay with $$$!)..Such a tough job being paid big $$ as an Offensive Coord or even a Defensive Line coach.....no sympathy here..

 

[mtbykr]

Awesome if true!

It's true, i heard BB say it in an interview!

 

[Urgent]

A shame that they missed on Zack.
I was hoping they would take him at 129.

What does that say, however, that the Patriots, having drafted Wheatley and Wilhite, were working a deal to move up to draft a third corner?

Bowman might be better than both Wheatley and Wilhite if he stays healthy.

 

[jbb9s]

Obviously Reiss meant 142 and 143, we DID end up taking Slater at 153.

Another draft trade tidbit came from the SI.com blogs and Jim Trotter, about us trying to move up to #5:

source: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/football/nfl/specials/draft/2008/04/25/draft.blog/4.html

Pats wanted Dorsey or Gholsten at #5???

 

[patsfan55]

that's great.

Just like with Mayo, they get more picks for moving down and drafting the exact same player that they targeted.

reminds me of when we were looking at eugene wilson in the first, but baltimore wanted boller, so we just took their next yr's first, took wilson in the second, and grabbed wilfork with the free pick the yr later