Foxboro cops: Pats' Chandler Jones sought medical help early Sunday

[n1997y]

Does getting married count?

depends on whether you are still married. and whether your spouse knows your handle on here.

 

[n1997y]

Thats my question If they found fake dope at CJs house, why did Foxboro Police not charge him with possession?

a. He did not possess it. He was not there, remember?
b. Door was open, remember? The police went there to secure the premises, how can they show it was not delivered after he left, without his knowledge?

those two points are sufficient that a prosecutor wouldn't waste time on it unless there is some really serious reason they should, which is lacking here. It's not like they need to charge him so they can get evidence to support a murder rap, like his gangsta teammate.

 

[Fencer]

I'm pretty liberal and I loathe Mass. It's like all of the worst aspects of the Democratic party without any of the good stuff. It's the blue state equivalent of Republican Mississippi.

Very early to allow gay marriage. That's to MA's credit.

Thinks hard about how to deliver social services. I have some privileged knowledge in this in that my stepdaughter was involved in that as a consultant for a while.

I do agree that the state government has been absurdly corrupt for many decades, and that it is disappointing that this can't be significantly cleaned up. But that's true in distressingly many states.

 

[n1997y]

Young ..... at 25? I suppose it all boils down to how one defines, young. When I was his age, I was way past being able to use the "young and lacking common sense" excuse in my life.

yeah, that's what I thought too. But I outgrew that misconception.

 

[n1997y]

ditto

likewise.

 

[n1997y]

I did plenty of crazy and silly things when I was a kid but not when I was a man of 25.

so, you're still 24?

or just haven't yet realized you did?

 

[patfanken]

So I come back to this thread and read back a few pages and I'm wondering when it was announced that Chandler Jones confirmed that he was smoking "synthetic MJ" or "spice". Because in the 3 or 4 pages I read most of the posters were just talking about it as if it were a stated FACT that he was smoking illicit drugs.

Have I missed something here, or are we now just doing what we all hate about Felger, etc and simply take a rumor, a few VERY questionable sources and string together a very dramatic narrative designed to get clicks, posts and reads.

The guy has done absolutely NOTHING wrong. At worst it was a minor error in judgement that caused him some public embarrassment. It hasn't affected his professional responsibilities for a second. Like the Pats stated, "he hasn't missed a meeting or practice". He doesn't get a benefit of the doubt?. We convict and THEN get around to getting the facts at a later date. We all ranted for the last year about the way Brady was treated on some very sketchy "evidence", and then at the first chance we get, we jump right aboard the self righteous, moral high ground, bandwagon and state as FACT things that MIGHT have happened because they fit a series of unsubstantiated speculations we happen to favor.

This isn't about being a homer. This is about doing the right thing. Unfortunately the 2 things we have become world class in is, BLAMING, and ACCUSING.

 

[supafly]

So I come back to this thread and read back a few pages and I'm wondering when it was announced that Chandler Jones confirmed that he was smoking "synthetic MJ" or "spice". Because in the 3 or 4 pages I read most of the posters were just talking about it as if it were a stated FACT that he was smoking illicit drugs.

When you listen to the police audio that was released, they speak of positive Class D drug use, which automatically narrows it down to something in that family.

It was pretty much known that it was one of a few possibilities yesterday, prior to the reports that (supposedly) confirmed it this afternoon. It really came down to :

1) He smoked "spice" and had the same symptoms that are often found in users.

2) He smoked a stronger/concentrated MJ called "shatter" or "wax" that is the equivalent of smoking about 5-10 joints all in one hit. Since there's really no way to judge how you're feeling, it basically hits you all at once, and many users aren't used to that kind of powerful high.

3) He simply smoked too much weed, although this possibility was unlikely in my opinion, since he spent almost 30 minutes just at the police station alone. One can assume that he'd have come down in some way during the time that he left the house to the time they transported him to the hospital a little after 8:00 am.

 

[Bobs My Uncle]

yeah, that's what I thought too. But I outgrew that misconception.

OK, I'll bite. At what age was the "I'm young" excuse no longer applicable to explain away your silliness?

 

[SlowGettingUp]

when it was announced that Chandler Jones confirmed that he was smoking "synthetic MJ" or "spice"

Boston Globe reporter tweet:

 

[Bobs My Uncle]

so, you're still 24?

or just haven't yet realized you did?

Unfortunately, 24 was a long time ago for me. Not even any of my kids are that "young"

 

[varjao]

So the injury report from today for Jones was Abdomen/toe , no brain cells mentioned so he should be fine Go Pats.

 

[supafly]

Young ..... at 25? I suppose it all boils down to how one defines, young. When I was his age, I was way past being able to use the "young and lacking common sense" excuse in my life.

Some grow up earlier than others, some don't. Some are forced to mature due to certain circumstances, while others may have circumstances that push them away from the right path for awhile (death of a close family member, ADHD, depression, substance abuse, etc). It all depends on the individual, and there have been plenty of studies that have shown a significant decrease in the rate of criminal recidivism once the subject hits the age of 30. That seems to be the magic number in terms of an agreed upon "maturity," the age of 30+.

As you mention, there have been plenty of mature people like yourself, who seemed to "get it" by an acceptable age. Others seem to take a bit longer. You'd think that having millions of dollars and lots of fame on the line would push one in the right direction, though.

 

[n1997y]

OK, I'll bite. At what age was the "I'm young" excuse no longer applicable to explain away your silliness?

I'll let you know when I get there. Probably will die of old age first.

I will say that looking back at my forties I did stuff that seems youthful folly now. Point is that experience is a dear teacher, but the most effective one. It's less age than experience. Or as one of my flight instructors used to say, good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from poor judgement. CJ just got some experience...

 

[n1997y]

Unfortunately, 24 was a long time ago for me. Not even any of my kids are that "young"

ah, so the old age memory loss explains that delusion of not doing crazy things at 25. I can sympathize, although in my own case it's also the more recent memories crowding them out. Is that also true for you?

 

[n1997y]

Some grow up earlier than others, some don't. Some are forced to mature due to certain circumstances, while others may have circumstances that push them away from the right path for awhile (death of a close family member, ADHD, depression, substance abuse, etc). It all depends on the individual, and there have been plenty of studies that have shown a significant decrease in the rate of criminal recidivism once the subject hits the age of 30. That seems to be the magic number in terms of an agreed upon "maturity," the age of 30+.

As you mention, there have been plenty of mature people like yourself, who seemed to "get it" by an acceptable age. Others seem to take a bit longer. You'd think that having millions of dollars and lots of fame on the line would push one in the right direction, though.

good post.
I recall hearing some claims that development of some parts of the brain is not completed until about age 28, which is pretty close to that. Seems reasonable that after the hardware development (brain) finishes it takes a little time to finish the software and data (experience, knowledge, memories) to utilize it completely. So allowing a couple of years for experience and learning after 28 jibes with that age of maturity as 30.

 

[Patsrock]

good post.
I recall hearing some claims that development of some parts of the brain is not completed until about age 28, which is pretty close to that. Seems reasonable that after the hardware development (brain) finishes it takes a little time to finish the software and data (experience, knowledge, memories) to utilize it completely. So allowing a couple of years for experience and learning after 28 jibes with that age of maturity as 30.

I still sometimes do stupid things at 38. But with that said I still work hard, pay my bills and take care of family.

 

[n1997y]

When you listen to the police audio that was released, they speak of positive Class D drug use, which automatically narrows it down to something in that family.

I wouldn't take that radio call as being totally authoritative on the substance. The officer reporting was passing information from field observation for use by medics, not making sworn statement of confirmed fact in court. There was no lab testing or anything, so it's not certain what the substance was. And detail was limited, can't say whether the officer saw weed or something that looked like weed (spice, salvia, etc?) or pills and packaging commonly associated with other substances of abuse. Trying to read too much into it is unrealistic. There was nothing "positive" in that identification.

 

[Betterthanmost]

Interesting developments, lack of details usually leads to bad news for us. I thought he had his head in the right place compared to his brother. If you will take this synthetic marijuana as a pro athletes, something must be wrong or out of place.
I wonder if it was just by chance that he stopped at a police station. Curious that he did not call 911 if he had the presence of mind to seek help. Could have been worse, and I am glad he is ok.

 

[supafly]

The officer reporting was passing information from field observation for use by medics

Which says to me that it's pretty definitive that it was indeed, a Class D substance. I don't think anyone made that up. They were likely much more concerned with Jones' safety, having shown up confused/disoriented, than they were about charging him with anything. By passing this information on to the fire/medic division, they wanted to make sure that it was understood what they were dealing with.

Anything about statements that could be used in court etc are likely unrelated, since they aren't likely to charge him anyway. Even if there was something there, it'd be difficult to charge him unless he had it on him or admitted to it. Above all else, I don't think anyone cares about something so minor anymore, from a policing point of view. Just my opinion, of course.