Fitzy: Source tells him that if Abdul Carter is available at 4 the Eagles will offer AJ Brown for the pick

[BobDigital]

I really like AJ Brown... His price isn't that bad considering his production. But he will be 28 next year. Carter is 21 and we'd have him for 4-5 years on cheap money. AJ Brown will very likely be the more impactful player of the 2 over 4 years cause he is already really good and you just don't know about Carter for sure....

But to give up a cheap 4 year contract on Carter for Brown is very questionable. Carter will probably end up costing 37M total over 4 years. That is less than half of Brown's salary (about 40% of it) and there will be no decline to be worried about.

Brown's contract is like this... Cap hit: 17.5M 23.4M 22.7M 27.5M 29.3M And his last year of 53M is fake and has no Guaranteed cash attached to it at all. Those caps hits are for 2025, 26, 27, 28 and 29. He will be 28 29 30 31 and 32... Over 17 games he averages 1327 yards.

He has been a top 10 pass catcher in this league the past 4 seasons. I don't see why that wouldn't continue for a while. At least the next 3 years anyway. Let's do a fun thing and compare the 4 year price of both.

Carter 4 years... 37-38M 9.33M/year (give or take)
Brown 4 years... 97M 24.25M/year (there is about 6M dead cap hit if we cut him after 4 years)

We don't know if we could keep Carter here after 4 years for sure... or if he will even be good. We know Brown will be REALLY good the next 3 years... maybe even 4 or 5 if we want to keep him 5. For the next 3 years at least we'd get a top 10 WR at a good price. That ain't chopped liver

If they were to throw in pick 32 as well... I'd honestly be tempted. It be worth considering. If Brown is a top 10 pass rusher in this league or even top 15 we end up looking like we got the short end. If he's not... we probably win that trade.

While you hate to walk away from a cheap contract from Carter consider this...

AJ Brown plus 2 offensive linemen taken at 32 and 38. WR core is now a strength. We get OL help with what should be 2 dependable high level options. The offense is now pretty much set outside of a few odds and ends. The Defense looks good. If we hit on the OL and they can help immediately that is a team ready to make some noise instantly THIS YEAR. Not win it all most likely... but a deep run is now possible.

 

[Wozzy]

Sources tell me Wozzy is the best looking poster in the history of Patsfans.com and puts his pants on three legs at a time. Not sure how true, but it sounds legit.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Is that the same if he signs a new deal during any trade?

That $59M is the remaining prorations of the money they've already paid him (he got a $28M option bonus last month). So, yes, that number is the same new deal or not.

 

[maust]

 

[mgteich]

That $59M is the remaining prorations of the money they've already paid him (he got a $28M option bonus last month). So, yes, that number is the same new deal or not.

$59M is a lot of dead money to absorb over the next two years.

 

[FredFromDartmouth]

I don't want Carter (character issues) but I do want AJ Brown; Brown, Diggs, and Pop Douglas would a scary set.

But it is not enough to move up that far. I want Brown plus their first and second this year and their first next year...well at least use to this start the negotiations there...then entertain other offers....Dallas might want to do something like this with Parsons

 

[DaBruinz]

This was mentioned in the "Draft Talk" thread. It's complete and utter BS. Trading AJ Brown would hit the Eagles with an additional 42M cap hit. They have only 22M in Cap space and no player whose salary they could amortize. The only two players on the Eagles who have a salary of 2M or more are Ojulari (2M) and Jurgens (5.346M). Ojulari they just signed and Jurgens is in the last year of his deal.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Brown's contract is like this... Cap hit: 17.5M 23.4M 22.7M 27.5M 29.3M And his last year of 53M is fake and has no Guaranteed cash attached to it at all. Those caps hits are for 2025, 26, 27, 28 and 29. He will be 28 29 30 31 and 32... Over 17 games he averages 1327 yards.

One quick point: the cap numbers for the old team aren't the cap numbers for the new team; any cap hits associated with money already paid stay with the old team.

Carter 4 years... 37-38M 9.33M/year (give or take)
Brown 4 years... 97M 24.25M/year (there is about 6M dead cap hit if we cut him after 4 years)

For the record, according to OverTheCap.com, based on the current salary cap, the #4 pick will come with a contract value of $43.6M over four years.

 

[DaBruinz]

$59M is a lot of dead money to absorb over the next two years.

Players traded prior to June 1st have there entire remaining amortization sped up to the current year. There is no '"over the next two years" with it.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

$59M is a lot of dead money to absorb over the next two years.

If they trade him during the draft, it would all hit this year, but then he'd be off the books entirely for next year. [And, no, they can't process this post-6/1.]

 

[Brotherblues]

I'll take Carter over Brown

It'd be more like Brown + Ersery + your favorite R2/R3 target

 

[Huckleberry1]

It'd be more like Brown + Ersery + your favorite R2/R3 target

According to the Draftteck trade value chart the 32 &38 picks would get you up to #14, they could easily get a very good tackle prospect mid first round,

 

[Triumph]

Why would pats pass on chance to draft Carter?
That would be insane

If Howie Roseman has to have him then Carter is a stone cold lock to start day 1.

 

[JohnJH]

They'd have to offer more than AJ Brown and 32 for number 4

Brown and their 1st and 2nd Round Picks in this draft (so we can move up far enough to take a Week 1 Starting LT). And, their 1st Round Pick in 2026. Anything less than that, then no thank you.

 

[Pape]

I really like AJ Brown... His price isn't that bad considering his production. But he will be 28 next year. Carter is 21 and we'd have him for 4-5 years on cheap money. AJ Brown will very likely be the more impactful player of the 2 over 4 years cause he is already really good and you just don't know about Carter for sure....

But to give up a cheap 4 year contract on Carter for Brown is very questionable. Carter will probably end up costing 37M total over 4 years. That is less than half of Brown's salary (about 40% of it) and there will be no decline to be worried about.

Brown's contract is like this... Cap hit: 17.5M 23.4M 22.7M 27.5M 29.3M And his last year of 53M is fake and has no Guaranteed cash attached to it at all. Those caps hits are for 2025, 26, 27, 28 and 29. He will be 28 29 30 31 and 32... Over 17 games he averages 1327 yards.

He has been a top 10 pass catcher in this league the past 4 seasons. I don't see why that wouldn't continue for a while. At least the next 3 years anyway. Let's do a fun thing and compare the 4 year price of both.

Carter 4 years... 37-38M 9.33M/year (give or take)
Brown 4 years... 97M 24.25M/year (there is about 6M dead cap hit if we cut him after 4 years)

We don't know if we could keep Carter here after 4 years for sure... or if he will even be good. We know Brown will be REALLY good the next 3 years... maybe even 4 or 5 if we want to keep him 5. For the next 3 years at least we'd get a top 10 WR at a good price. That ain't chopped liver

If they were to throw in pick 32 as well... I'd honestly be tempted. It be worth considering. If Brown is a top 10 pass rusher in this league or even top 15 we end up looking like we got the short end. If he's not... we probably win that trade.

While you hate to walk away from a cheap contract from Carter consider this...

AJ Brown plus 2 offensive linemen taken at 32 and 38. WR core is now a strength. We get OL help with what should be 2 dependable high level options. The offense is now pretty much set outside of a few odds and ends. The Defense looks good. If we hit on the OL and they can help immediately that is a team ready to make some noise instantly THIS YEAR. Not win it all most likely... but a deep run is now possible.

Its all about the guaranteed money... So basically AJ Brown is on a two year (remaining) deal... '25 is cheap money, '26 is 29 ****ing million dollars...

Pass.

I'll take my LT at 4... Let someone else play lets make a deal...

And as an aside, that tweeter link reminded me... christian fauria is better at radio than ted Johnson.

 

[Ian]

My feeling is that Fitzy would rather say nothing than post something without merit. I would absolutely say, especially given the Tweet, this one bears watching and it also adds some context to both Bedard and Curran’s mentions of a significant deal last week. Granted, I don’t fully get the details and there’s probably more to it, but he’s not a guy to just make something up. Especially to this extent.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

My feeling is that Fitzy would rather say nothing than post something without merit. I would absolutely say, especially given the Tweet, this one bears watching and it also adds some context to both Bedard and Curran’s mentions of a significant deal last week. Granted, I don’t fully get the details and there’s probably more to it, but he’s not a guy to just make something up. Especially to this extent.

As noted above, the salary cap makes this pretty much pure wishcasting.

 

[Uptown]

As noted above, the salary cap makes this pretty much pure wishcasting.

Not saying it’s true or not, but when it comes to Howie Roseman, salary caps don't exist…

 

[DaBruinz]

My feeling is that Fitzy would rather say nothing than post something without merit. I would absolutely say, especially given the Tweet, this one bears watching and it also adds some context to both Bedard and Curran’s mentions of a significant deal last week. Granted, I don’t fully get the details and there’s probably more to it, but he’s not a guy to just make something up. Especially to this extent.

How can it bear watching when there is no way for the Eagles to make the trade with their Cap situation?

Trading Brown prior to June 1 would result in an Additional 42M cap hit on top of the current 17M cap hit.
The Eagles only have 22M in cap space.
The Eagles have only 2 players who have salaries that are 2M or more. They are Ojulari at 2M and Cam Jurgens at 5.346M. Ojulari was just signed so his deal can't be restructured. Jurgens is in the last year of his deal. Only a contract extension or cutting would change anything. One actually raises his cap hit. The other saves only 5.346M. Not 20M.

This is nothing but BS being pushed by Fitzy. Curran and Bedard have no "ins" with the team for them to know anything anymore.

 

[Hawaiipatsfan2]

I don't want Carter (character issues) but I do want AJ Brown; Brown, Diggs, and Pop Douglas would a scary set.

But it is not enough to move up that far. I want Brown plus their first and second this year and their first next year...well at least use to this start the negotiations there...then entertain other offers....Dallas might want to do something like this with Parsons

I’d much rather have Boutee in the slot. Watch his college and pro tape. The dude thrives in the slot. I just don’t see the fantasy that is Douglas. He doesn’t even pass the simple eye test for me.