Favorite Brady, Belichick, and Patriots Stats and Records

[The Brandon Five]

Having a 19-17 playoff record helped.

It's even more remarkable considering that of his 33 years as a HC he had this breakdown of QBs;
1 year Scott Mitchell
2 - Earl Morrall
3 - David Woodley
6 - Johnny Unitas
9 - Bob Griese (2 SB wins after being fined a 1st round pick for cheating)
12 - Dan Marino

I thought that Shula had 3 SB wins as a HC but I couldn't find more than the 2 he had with Griese.

Don Shula - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Shula set numerous records in his 33 seasons as a head coach. He is the All-Time leader in Victories with 347. He is first in most games coached (526), most consecutive seasons coached (33), and Super Bowl losses (4, tied with Bud Grant, Dan Reeves and Marv Levy).

 

[1960Pats]

While he is now an old senile coot, in fairness to Shula he ran into dynasties.

In the 60s he built a great Colts team that was a victim of the biggest upset of the 20th century. That team did go on to win the SB the year after he left. In years prior he had Paul Brown's Browns and Lombardi's Packers to contend with. Not gonna happen.

In the 70's, he won when he could which was early in the decade. From 1974 on, no one was getting past the Steelers unless they were injured.

In the 80s the NFC had superior teams. He did a great job with the quarterback-less Dolphins of the early 80s and built a kickass defense. Getting to the SB in 82 with David Woodley was a miracle. No one was stopping the 1984 49ers. Even if he did make it to the SB more in the 80s, he wasn't winning them.

I think he fell in love with Marino too much in the mid/late 80s. Got a little lazy IMO with personnel.

In the 90s he built a competitive team but the Bills were superior. He was in his mid 60's and was done.

Shula has been a **** at every age.

He still cries about a snow plow clearing the way for the Pats kicker even though that same offer was made to Shula.

He violated the rules to become the HC of the Dolphins and won 2 SBs in the next 2 years because of it. That was a much more severe violation than filming coaches signals from the wrong place 3 years AFTER winning a SB.

He used his influence on the competition committee to change rules to help his team, and still lost.

The biggest difference between Don Shula and Bill Belichick is that Shula didn't have to deal with a HC that was willing to disrespect the accomplishments of another HC. Belichick had Shula.

Btw rw, I don't feel that SB wins the year after Shula left should count. I'd be willing to bet that Belichick's 2 SB wins as a DC for the Giants were far more influential.

Let me finish with Johnny Unitas' feelings about Shula: No one can ever again question the Hall of Famer's feelings for Don Shula. One teammate quoted Unitas as saying that "if that son of a ***** was across the street and his guts were on fire" Unitas couldn't be bothered to go put out the flames - though the quarterback used much more colorful language.

And mine: Screw Don Shula.

 

[1960Pats]

You are so right. I've read a few more pages now and I have to resist the urge to find some lotion and a quiet place. This is pure Patriot porn

Isn't it amazing? By the time B&B are done they will have put up numbers that will never be touched.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Shula has been a **** at every age.

He still cries about a snow plow clearing the way for the Pats kicker even though that same offer was made to Shula.

He violated the rules to become the HC of the Dolphins and won 2 SBs in the next 2 years because of it. That was a much more severe violation than filming coaches signals from the wrong place 3 years AFTER winning a SB.

He used his influence on the competition committee to change rules to help his team, and still lost.

I agree with all of this.

The biggest difference between Don Shula and Bill Belichick is that Shula didn't have to deal with a HC that was willing to disrespect the accomplishments of another HC. Belichick had Shula.

That and the biggest difference is that BB is a superior game day coach and evaluator of talent.

Btw rw, I don't feel that SB wins the year after Shula left should count. I'd be willing to bet that Belichick's 2 SB wins as a DC for the Giants were far more influential.

I hear ya. It similar to the voices that say Dan Duquette deserves some credit for assembling a majority of the 2004 Red Sox roster or Jimmy Johnson for the 1995 Cowboys. They deserve some- not all but some credit because without their work, those titles don't happen.

Let me finish with Johnny Unitas' feelings about Shula: No one can ever again question the Hall of Famer's feelings for Don Shula. One teammate quoted Unitas as saying that "if that son of a ***** was across the street and his guts were on fire" Unitas couldn't be bothered to go put out the flames - though the quarterback used much more colorful language.

And mine: Screw Don Shula.

Johnny U is not the only one. There is a long line of former players who despise Shula.

 

[patfanken]

Isn't it amazing? By the time B&B are done they will have put up numbers that will never be touched.

It is all too easy to forget the MAGNITUDE of what BB and Brady have accomplished, even as Pats fans.

I resisted coming to this thread for a long time, thinking it was merely fluff. But once I started with the first page I was hooked. . It is not so much what the Pats have done since 2001, I know most of those stats. It is when you compare them with the other so called great teams, coaches and QB's that you get a sense of just how special these years have become.

We are SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO spoiled. Here it is Wednesday and I don't think anyone has bothered to start a thread to discuss the Washington team we have to play this week. How jaded is that.

 

[1960Pats]

I agree with all of this.



That and the biggest difference is that BB is a superior game day coach and evaluator of talent.



I hear ya. It similar to the voices that say Dan Duquette deserves some credit for assembling a majority of the 2004 Red Sox roster or Jimmy Johnson for the 1995 Cowboys. They deserve some- not all but some credit because without their work, those titles don't happen.



Johnny U is not the only one. There is a long line of former players who despise Shula.

I'm too sensitive when it comes to Shula and I hope you didn't take it as a slight.

I didn't like him when he coached and it has only gotten worse since he took his cheap shot at the Pats.

 

[Fencer]

Brady has 2 rushing TDs and 9 rushing FDs YTD. I'm trying to find somebody who at age 38 for a full season put up 2 TDs or 12 FDs rushing (I'm presuming he'll get at least that high ) and I'm not finding anybody. Among QBs I've checked Elway, Gannon, Cunningham and Moon. I can't think of RBs or FBs to check who played at that age.

Annoyingly, the only site I'm finding that gives FD stats is ESPN.

 

[slam]

I did some quick calculations based on the demographic info here.

By my calculation, 20.3% of the US population have never been alive for a losing Patriots season. (2000, so people born 2001 and after)
15.3% of the US population have never been alive for a sub-double digit wins season. (2002)

To follow up, here are a few more calculations.

47.3% of the population was alive when the Dolphins last won the Super Bowl. (1974)
40.9% of the population was alive when the Jets last won the Super Bowl. (1969)
25.7% of the population was not alive when the Bills last played in the Super Bowl (1994)
10.0% of the population was not alive when the Colts last won the Super Bowl (2007)

 

[Plunkett2Vataha]

I don't have the time to go through all 6 pages of this tread, so apologies in advance if this has been mentioned already.....and it isn't even a record.

One thing that is rarely mentioned when they are talking about Tom Brady's greatness came in his 2 superbowl LOSSES. In all the talk about those Giant teams putting pressure on him.(which they did) And all the mediots who throw out QBR ratings, and advanced metrics to show how Brady didn't do well in those games. What they forget is that in BOTH games, with his team behind, late in the 4th quarter; he led his team on a long TD drive to take the lead.

In fact, in 5 superbowls Tom Brady had to take his team on late 4th quarter drives to win or take the lead in those games (only in 2004 did he have the luxury to watch some OTHER QB try and come from behind). Who the f*ck has ever come even close to that. FIVE times. Tom Brady GOAT, and #2 isn't close.

Ken,
I always love your posts, but have to point out that Brady didn't take the Patriots on a late 4th quarter drive to take the lead in the second Giants SB. They didn't score in the 4th quarter of that game, though the Welker drop certainly cost them a probable TD. It was the "giant horseshoe up his ass Eli" who led the two late 4th quarter drives. Now excuse me while bang my head against the wall thinking of those two late losses (and also thinking of how close Brady came to pulling out the win on last second plays with the bomb to Moss and the Hail Mary that a hobbled Gronk nearly caught).

 

[RobertWeathers]

I'm too sensitive when it comes to Shula and I hope you didn't take it as a slight.

I didn't like him when he coached and it has only gotten worse since he took his cheap shot at the Pats.

Nope. Not at all.

I think Shula is a complete jerk. I refuse to eat at his restaurants!

 

[patfanken]

Ken,
I always love your posts, but have to point out that Brady didn't take the Patriots on a late 4th quarter drive to take the lead in the second Giants SB. They didn't score in the 4th quarter of that game, though the Welker drop certainly cost them a probable TD. It was the "giant horseshoe up his ass Eli" who led the two late 4th quarter drives. Now excuse me while bang my head against the wall thinking of those two late losses (and also thinking of how close Brady came to pulling out the win on last second plays with the bomb to Moss and the Hail Mary that a hobbled Gronk nearly caught).

)Ooops You are correct, Brady scored his TD late in the 3rd,while the Giants scored in the last 2 minutes after the Pats had a chance to seal it with a the Welker drop. But the Giants only scored once in the 4th quarter.

BTW- that was a game a very bad Pats defense played very well. They forced 5 fumbles and the only one they recovery was overturned by a penalty. Very unlucky, if they recover just one of the 4 they win that game....not to mention the miracle sideline catch.

 

[Plunkett2Vataha]

)Ooops You are correct, Brady scored his TD late in the 3rd,while the Giants scored in the last 2 minutes after the Pats had a chance to seal it with a the Welker drop. But the Giants only scored once in the 4th quarter.

BTW- that was a game a very bad Pats defense played very well. They forced 5 fumbles and the only one they recovery was overturned by a penalty. Very unlucky, if they recover just one of the 4 they win that game....not to mention the miracle sideline catch.

You're right about being unlucky with the fumbles. I still don't know how LB Pierre Woods didn't come up with Bradshaw's fumble in SB 42, but that would have given the Pats a first down inside the Giants 40. Then the fumble that OG Snee came up with inside his own 15 (1 or 2 plays after the Brady pick to Gronk). One of the Pats DL ran right past it as he couldn't stop himself in time to fall on it. I don't recall a team being so unlucky to have not recovered at least one of the fumbles between the two Super Bowls.

 

[patfanken]

You're right about being unlucky with the fumbles. I still don't know how LB Pierre Woods didn't come up with Bradshaw's fumble in SB 42, but that would have given the Pats a first down inside the Giants 40. Then the fumble that OG Snee came up with inside his own 15 (1 or 2 plays after the Brady pick to Gronk). One of the Pats DL ran right past it as he couldn't stop himself in time to fall on it. I don't recall a team being so unlucky to have not recovered at least one of the fumbles between the two Super Bowls.

Think about it. Forget about putting us in position to score, just one recovery takes 2 or more minutes off the clock, and there IS no last minute drive for Eli

 

[The Brandon Five]

You're right about being unlucky with the fumbles. I still don't know how LB Pierre Woods didn't come up with Bradshaw's fumble in SB 42, but that would have given the Pats a first down inside the Giants 40. Then the fumble that OG Snee came up with inside his own 15 (1 or 2 plays after the Brady pick to Gronk). One of the Pats DL ran right past it as he couldn't stop himself in time to fall on it. I don't recall a team being so unlucky to have not recovered at least one of the fumbles between the two Super Bowls.

Woods didn't come up with it b/c the ref failed to whistle the play dead after he recovered it. As soon as Bradshaw touched him, he was down by contact. Woods should not have let a guy of Bradshaw's size wrestle it away from him, but it shouldn't have been allowed.

 

[TommyD4207]

I thought that Shula had 3 SB wins as a HC but I couldn't find more than the 2 he had with Griese.

He won one with the Colts (SB 5 I think?)

 

[Plunkett2Vataha]

Woods didn't come up with it b/c the ref failed to whistle the play dead after he recovered it. As soon as Bradshaw touched him, he was down by contact. Woods should not have let a guy of Bradshaw's size wrestle it away from him, but it shouldn't have been allowed.

Great point. Woods fell directly on the ball and had control. Bradshaw burrowed underneath him to steal it away. I have no idea why refs allow this to go on.

 

[1960Pats]

He won one with the Colts (SB 5 I think?)

Thanks. I guess I didn't look that hard.

I just went to pro football referrence and it lists the Colts winning the SB the year after Shula left

 

[TommyD4207]

Thanks. I guess I didn't look that hard.

I just went to pro football referrence and it lists the Colts winning the SB the year after Shula left

Maybe it was an NFL Championship before that then. But he definitely won a title with the Colts.

 

[Soul_Survivor88]

 

[Soul_Survivor88]