ESPN's Chris Mortensen:Mankins will return for last 6 games -Just trade him (merged)

[Rob0729]

Re: WEEI : Mankins will return for last 6 games

Mankins is a free agent. He's unsigned. There is no trade to be made at this point.

As long as Mankins is willing to be traded and works out a deal with another team that the Pats will be traded with, he can be traded. Vincent Jackson is in the same boat and is likely to be traded by Wednesday of this week. It isn't as easy as trading a player under contract, but he can be traded. It just takes two deals to be done. The Pats need to work out a trade and Mankins needs to work out a contract. Then Mankins signs his tender and he is traded.

 

[Deus Irae]

Re: WEEI : Mankins will return for last 6 games

As long as Mankins is willing to be traded and works out a deal with another team that the Pats will be traded with, he can be traded. Vincent Jackson is in the same boat and is likely to be traded by Wednesday of this week. It isn't as easy as trading a player under contract, but he can be traded. It just takes two deals to be done. The Pats need to work out a trade and Mankins needs to work out a contract. Then Mankins signs his tender and he is traded.

I know how it works. Mankins isn't going anywhere he doesn't want to go. People talking about shipping him off to Oakland as a prison sentence don't seem to understand the situation.

 

[cupofjoe1962]

I'd take Tashard Choice and a third round pick.... Cowboys O-line is pitiful, Barron is the worst starter in the league.

The Cowboys are 0-2 & you can bet that Jerry Jones see's the
pannic button flashing.

He wan't to make the playoffs, at the hope of playing in the superbowl
in his own stadium.

The pannic button is flashing.....

Make a move Jerry..... Call the Pats !

 

[Rob0729]

Re: WEEI : Mankins will return for last 6 games

I know how it works. Mankins isn't going anywhere he doesn't want to go. People talking about shipping him off to Oakland as a prison sentence don't seem to understand the situation.

He might want to go to Oakland because it is close to his home. If money is motivating him and Al Davis gives him a sweetheart deal, he might go.

I think the Pats might get as good or better trade offer for real contenders like Dallas though.

 

[Deus Irae]

Re: WEEI : Mankins will return for last 6 games

He might want to go to Oakland because it is close to his home. If money is motivating him and Al Davis gives him a sweetheart deal, he might go.

I think the Pats might get as good or better trade offer for real contenders like Dallas though.

I would hope that today's game would finally wake BB up and that the Patriots will sign Mankins to an acceptable deal. Then again, the Patriots haven't played this well from the beginning, so I'm not expecting them to get it now.

 

[Rob0729]

Re: WEEI : Mankins will return for last 6 games

I would hope that today's game would finally wake BB up and that the Patriots will sign Mankins to an acceptable deal. Then again, the Patriots haven't played this well from the beginning, so I'm not expecting them to get it now.

The Pats didn't lose because Mankins wasn't on the field. Not even close to it. The Pats' pass blocking has been near perfect. The run blocking has mostly been good. I think being down to BJGE was more a problem than the blocking other than a few plays. BJGE is not exactly the fastest guy to the line.

If the Pats could get a significant RB from Dallas or defensive help from them or someone else, I would consider the trade.

I put Mankins being out about 456th of the reasons the Pats lost today. Brady had plenty of time to throw today and he just made some bad decisions and the Jets had good coverage. Mankins had no bearing on the defense and their problems.

 

[Wolfpack]

Re: WEEI : Mankins will return for last 6 games

He might want to go to Oakland because it is close to his home. If money is motivating him and Al Davis gives him a sweetheart deal, he might go.

I think the Pats might get as good or better trade offer for real contenders like Dallas though.

I don't see the Patriots getting any significant value for Mankins. Any team that trades for him is going to have to work out a contract with him in advance, so they are not going to give Mankins his contract demands and give up a nice pick (or player) as well.

Granted, it only takes one idiot to overpay (yes, I'm talking to you Mr. Al Davis) but I would not be holding out hope for it to happen here.

 

[Rob0729]

Re: WEEI : Mankins will return for last 6 games

I don't see the Patriots getting any significant value for Mankins. Any team that trades for him is going to have to work out a contract with him in advance, so they are not going to give Mankins his contract demands and give up a nice pick (or player) as well.

Granted, it only takes one idiot to overpay (yes, I'm talking to you Mr. Al Davis) but I would not be holding out hope for it to happen here.

The Dolphins did it with Brandon Marshall. The Chiefs did it with Matt Cassel. Teams do it a lot. It isn't as frequent as other leagues, but I can certainly see the Pats getting a second day pick for Mankins (remeber the draft is three days now). What teams rarely do is give up a high draft pick for a player with a one year deal and with no plans of renegotiation. It happens but far less frequently.

 

[Deus Irae]

Re: WEEI : Mankins will return for last 6 games

The Pats didn't lose because Mankins wasn't on the field. Not even close to it.

I didn't say they did.

The Pats' pass blocking has been near perfect.

No, it hasn't, although it's generally been pretty good.

The run blocking has mostly been good.

No, it hasn't. It's been quite inconsistent, and that's putting it pretty kindly.

I think being down to BJGE was more a problem than the blocking other than a few plays. BJGE is not exactly the fastest guy to the line.

Taylor: 5 carries for 11 yards. Let's not pretend that BJGE was the problem. he's a limited player and that makes it easier for teams to defend the run when he's in there, but there was a lot more going on than just BJGE being in the backfield.

If the Pats could get a significant RB from Dallas or defensive help from them or someone else, I would consider the trade.

It would be stupid to trade Mankins for a running back, unless it was for one of the better starters in the league. Good luck with that happening, though.

I put Mankins being out about 456th of the reasons the Pats lost today. Brady had plenty of time to throw today and he just made some bad decisions and the Jets had good coverage. Mankins had no bearing on the defense and their problems.

Brady was forced to move in the pocket, and the Patriots were forced to alter plays and protections because it was Connolly in there instead of Mankins. You can claim that such things don't effect a game. I don't agree with that assessment.

As an aside, on the sack, Taylor was facing Light one-on-one while Connolly was doubling a player that Koppen had stoned at the line of scrimmage. It could be that Connolly made the right move, and it could be that he made a mistake. We'll probably never know.

 

[Rob0729]

Re: WEEI : Mankins will return for last 6 games

I didn't say they did.

You implied it or at least his not being there was a significant enough reason.

No, it hasn't, although it's generally been pretty good.

It has been as near perfect as it can be. No o-line is perfect.

No, it hasn't. It's been quite inconsistent, and that's putting it pretty kindly.

I will conceed that, but I don't know how much it is the RBs.

Taylor: 5 carries for 11 yards. Let's not pretend that BJGE was the problem. he's a limited player and that makes it easier for teams to defend the run when he's in there, but there was a lot more going on than just BJGE being in the backfield.

The Jets shutdown Ray Rice last week too. I don't know if this is a good judge of the running game in general. I just think BJGE is a limited player.

It would be stupid to trade Mankins for a running back, unless it was for one of the better starters in the league. Good luck with that happening, though.

I wouldn't trade him straight up. I would want something in return unless it was a proven guy who could be a lead back. The Cowboys have three guys who probably are suited for by committee running. I know the Pats couldn't get Chris Johnson for Mankins, but Barber or Choice and a draft pick isn't too much to ask.

Brady was forced to move in the pocket, and the Patriots were forced to alter plays and protections because it was Connolly in there instead of Mankins. You can claim that such things don't effect a game. I don't agree with that assessment.

Brady moves in the pocket all the time even when Mankins was in there. I don't think things would have changed much with Mankins in there.

As an aside, on the sack, Taylor was facing Light one-on-one while Connolly was doubling a player that Koppen had stoned at the line of scrimmage. It could be that Connolly made the right move, and it could be that he made a mistake. We'll probably never know.

And the RB (I think it was Morris) should have chipped Taylor when he went out into coverage and he didn't. I don't know if you can blame Connolley on that one. Taylor was moving to the outside and then he spun towards the inside on Light. If Taylor didn't do that, Morris would have probably picked up the double team. Looked like the assignements were right, but Taylor just made a good move on Light.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

Re: ESPN's Chris Mortensen:Mankins will return for last 6 games -Just trade him (merg

We just traded a mediocre RB away, why would we trade for another one.

If he's traded I'd hope it is for a position that is actually a problem.

 

[Deus Irae]

Re: WEEI : Mankins will return for last 6 games

You implied it or at least his not being there was a significant enough reason.

No, I didn't. You inferred that. My point was simply that I hoped this game got the front office to thinking straight. It's clear that Mankins is missed. Think of my point as similar to my point with Maroney: Neither Maroney nor Mankins would likely have been the difference today (for different reasons, since Maroney's lack of help would have been due to his injury and inactive status), but their talents/skillsets were certainly missed.

I wouldn't trade him straight up. I would want something in return unless it was a proven guy who could be a lead back. The Cowboys have three guys who probably are suited for by committee running. I know the Pats couldn't get Chris Johnson for Mankins, but Barber or Choice and a draft pick isn't too much to ask.

One of those backs and a pick would be pretty good compensation. However, Barber is making big coin, and Dallas wouldn't trade Choice in that deal.

Brady moves in the pocket all the time even when Mankins was in there. I don't think things would have changed much with Mankins in there.

Stepping up is a bit different from having to maneuver all over the place. However, the issue is more about having to alter protections and some play calls.

And the RB (I think it was Morris) should have chipped Taylor when he went out into coverage and he didn't. I don't know if you can blame Connolley on that one. Taylor was moving to the outside and then he spun towards the inside on Light. If Taylor didn't do that, Morris would have probably picked up the double team. Looked like the assignements were right, but Taylor just made a good move on Light.

I agree that you and I don't know who's to blame right now (we probably never will). It would be interesting to know. If Light blew that, one can question the wisdom of the blocking/play call, as well as calling out Light for blowing the play. If the RB blew it, that's obviously on him. If Connolly blew it, that's on him. Not being sure in cases like this is one of the problems I have with people blaming coordinators for everything that goes wrong, and not being sure is why I noted this as an aside.

 

[Rob0729]

Re: ESPN's Chris Mortensen:Mankins will return for last 6 games -Just trade him (merg

We just traded a mediocre RB away, why would we trade for another one.

If he's traded I'd hope it is for a position that is actually a problem.

I'm all for that. I'd take a d-lineman (although for the most part the d-line played well today at least compared to the rest of the defense), OLB, or CB. Just don't think you will get value at those positions for a guard. All those types of players tend to be rated higher than guards by a bunch.

 

[SoonerPatriot]

Re: ESPN's Chris Mortensen:Mankins will return for last 6 games -Just trade him (merg

He'll come back week 10. BB will have him inactive for the remaining games.