Edelman may be worth $6-$8 million, but is he worth that to a team that has Amendola?

[JackBauer]

Re: Edelman may be worth $6-$8 million, but is he worth that to a team that has Amend

As I said to PP2 you do have good discussion usually, but lately you seem more inclined to troll and do drive by(s) with these brash statements that ignore context. The reality is that Amendola and Edelman play a similar role on the team, Edelman is one of our top 2 UFAs this offseason, and Amendola was our biggest UFA signing since Thomas this past offseason, so the discussion around them and their values to this team is worthy of discussion. My position currently is not to get rid of Amendola, I do think looking at the options, and discussing them is something I think is meaningful however.

My opinion of Amendola is that he is inconsistent, that is all, and I have provided substantial data and context to support that belief, the response to that is to imply I have a jihad against him, which I do not. What I have is a consciousness of the type of player he has been since entering the league in 2008, and I do not anticipate that to change in 2014. If you disagree, that is fine, but do not respond with anger or brash statements, explain your reasoning for what you expect from Amendola in 2014 and why you are confident it can happen.

I never said anything about Fitzgerald suck; I think he is one of the best receiver of his generation. So I do not know how that is even relevant to this at all.

Amendola isn't really inconsistent, though. He's injury prone. Just like Julian Edelman.

 

[JackBauer]

Re: Edelman may be worth $6-$8 million, but is he worth that to a team that has Amend

The implications of your post was that the writer is unsubstantiated and what he has written is meaningless, which would mean you have information that indicates the Ravens have no interest in acquiring Amendola.

That's just wrong. It's not incumbent on me to prove a negative. The assertion made by the writer is that the Patriots may try to trade Amendola to the Ravens. The evidence given to substantiate said assertion is that the Patriots have lost patience (and Brady his faith) with Amendola. Which is another unsubstantiated assertion. Thus there is absolutely no evidence to suggest a.) the Ravens are interested in trading for Amendola or b.) the Patriots are interested in trading Amendola generally or to the Ravens specifically.

 

[SalemPats]

Re: Edelman may be worth $6-$8 million, but is he worth that to a team that has Amend

Edelman completely outplayed him games 2,3,4 and five, when Brady needed a target.

I find it hard to believe two different posters could be so obtuse. You must be a second account for b6.

Do you watch the Patriots play? I recommend going on itunes and buying the previous games and watching it and then maybe forming an opinion.

 

[RayClay]

Re: Edelman may be worth $6-$8 million, but is he worth that to a team that has Amend

Do you watch the Patriots play? I recommend going on itunes and buying the previous games and watching it and then maybe forming an opinion.

No, I never watch the games. I only sit in my room and go over stat sheets to form my opinions.

We should cut that Gronkowski guy. Edelman's much better, he had almost three times as many catches last year.

 

[SalemPats]

Re: Edelman may be worth $6-$8 million, but is he worth that to a team that has Amend

No, I never watch the games. I only sit in my room and go over stat sheets to form my opinions.

We should cut that Gronkowski guy. Edelman's much better, he had almost three times as many catches last year.

You're having a tough time in this thread.

Listen, we all wanted DA to be awesome and have a 100 catch season. It didn't happen, fortunately mini-tron stepped up. Stop hating on mini-tron, just respect the fact that he took advantage of his opportunity

 

[SalemPats]

Re: Edelman may be worth $6-$8 million, but is he worth that to a team that has Amend

It's sad to see someone so intent on a scenario they have to change reality so they can convince themselves they were right.

Just for your mental health, write down Amendola was injured and missed games 2-5, then realize that I like Edelman and thought he had a great year.

You can think I hate him if it helps you cope as you slowly transition back to the real world where we can't change reality to fit our arguments.

We disagree on the fact that if DA is 100% healthy (which is unlikely to happen) that he will be as good as mini-tron. I don't think so. Saying that we have someone whose as good as mini-tron and that's mini-tron. Lets sign the man

 

[Deus Irae]

Re: Edelman may be worth $6-$8 million, but is he worth that to a team that has Amend

This thread sucks.

 

[ashley]

Re: Edelman may be worth $6-$8 million, but is he worth that to a team that has Amend

this thread sucks.

lol lol lol lol

 

[Bruins29]

Re: Edelman may be worth $6-$8 million, but is he worth that to a team that has Amend

Yep, this thread is disgraceful. Why it was even started I have no idea, wait, I know exactly why. One can not set the record for the number of posts in a year without starting a thread that will guarantee a bunch of stupid responses.

Speaking of stupid responses, the children on the board who seem to think that any poster who says anything remotely positive about DA or his potential automatically hates JE is a moron.

Why would anyone not like JE? We need them both healthy and FYI JE hasen't exactly had the best luck with injuries either. There is a chance if resigned that he gets injured too.

 

[RayClay]

Re: Edelman may be worth $6-$8 million, but is he worth that to a team that has Amend

We disagree on the fact that if DA is 100% healthy (which is unlikely to happen) that he will be as good as mini-tron. I don't think so. Saying that we have someone whose as good as mini-tron and that's mini-tron. Lets sign the man

No we don't. I admit I don't know something when that's the only intelligent conclusion.

Forgive me for taking you seriously, I'm putting you on ignore.

 

[Brady6]

Re: Edelman may be worth $6-$8 million, but is he worth that to a team that has Amend

Amendola isn't really inconsistent, though. He's injury prone. Just like Julian Edelman.

When I look at his game log I see inconsistency, I will outline it below –

2013 –
- 3 regular season games against the Bills, Steelers, and Dolphins – 32 targets, 24 receptions, 75% ratio, 357 yards
- 9 other regular season games played – 51 targets, 30 receptions, 58% ratio, 276 yards

2012 –
- 3 regular season games against the Redskins, 49ers, and Jets – 39 targets, 33 receptions, 84% ratio, 303 yards
- 8 other regular season games played – 62 targets, 30 receptions, 48% ratio, 363 yards

2010 –
- 5 regular season games against the Lions, 49ers, Falcons, Chiefs, and 49ers – 57 targets, 42 receptions, 73% ratio, 322 yards
- 11 other regular season games played – 66 targets, 43 receptions, 65% ratio, 367 yards.

Totals –
- 11 games played – 128 targets, 99 receptions, 77% ratio, 982 yards
- 28 games played – 179 targets, 103 receptions, 57% ratio, 1006 yards

 

[Brady6]

Re: Edelman may be worth $6-$8 million, but is he worth that to a team that has Amend

This thread sucks.

This post is certain to improve it :blah:

 

[Brady6]

Re: Edelman may be worth $6-$8 million, but is he worth that to a team that has Amend

Here's a choice quote - out of the blue from you, aimed at me: "You have a biased for Amendola, you joined this forum the same month he signed, so I get it but do not manipulate numbers and act like Amendola has been a productive player throughout his career and this season was the only time Edelman has ever been successful."

That came when the discussion was perfectly reasonable and above board.

Now go read just the bolded parts - the part that started our little argument last night.

That is an attack - and not nearly as clever and disguised an attack as you apparently believe. Either that or you're just completely oblivious. You basically accused me of bias in my evaluation - you've accused others of being related to the guy. That is a tactic of condescension and dismissal - a debating tactic used to invalidate someone else's opinion.

Now go read the bolded part of your latest psychological examination of the world around you. That is a condescending and mean-spirited attack

Given your apparent dumbfounded-ness, I'll retract my comment that you're a douchebag and just give you the benefit of the doubt and stick with oblivious.

Yeah it was such an attack, I said that you joined the forum the same month we signed Amendola. It actually was not intended to be an attack at all, you joined March 2013, the only conversations you and I ever have had consist of you defending Amendola endlessly as if you two hang out together. I actually thought it was reasonable to believe you were a long-standing Amendola fan who joined a forum of the team he now played on.

Apparently the suggestion that you were a fan of Amendola before is offensive to you, which is odd to me.

You do manipulate the numbers from time to time, for the record it is something we are all guilty of, we are presenting a case so we use the information that suits our case the best. Once again that was not an attack. It was an acknowledgement that you I am aware of you supporting Amendola, and expect that you would present the numbers in a way that would advocate best on his behalf.

You'll notice that others have pointed out that you really seem to have trouble with lots of posters, which you of course poo-poo away...so that makes you the king who is married 8 times, has no kids, and curses the fates for the unbelievably bad luck of marrying 8 barren women.

See where you are wrong is that I have no trouble with other posters, those posters have trouble with me. They get upset because they disagree with my opinion and they make it a personal issue sort of like you is doing here. If you look at my interactions with posters who are able to have a conversation without turning to name calling or rage you will see that even my disagreements are not an issue (Sup and Ray are good examples). I can name the 5 posters that I have had an issue with on here, maybe 6 max and they have issues with multiple people outside of me, and it is because they consistently lash out at people when those people say something they do not like. I do not lash out; I explain my position and respond to their quoted posts if they do so.

You want to see me as a villain because you want to believe I am wrong and you are right but if you stepped back and looked at what I was actually saying it is all respectful and reasonable 98% of the time. The other 2% I often times will apologize or edit the post if I do it as a reaction in the heat of the moment. Which I will do now, if I offended you with my post last night I apologize and did not intend to hurt you personally.

 

[Bruins29]

Re: Edelman may be worth $6-$8 million, but is he worth that to a team that has Amend

I can name the 5 posters that I have had an issue with on here, maybe 6 max and they have issues with multiple people outside of me, and it is because they consistently lash out at people when those people say something they do not like.

Interesting. I have not seen anyone consistently lash out at people. But maybe they are. Can you point out who these posters are so we can take care of it?

I see a lot of idiots here posting idiotic things. I see attention whores and trolls. They deserve to be lashed out at.

 

[Brady6]

Edelman may be worth $6-$8 million, but is he worth that to a team that has A...

Interesting. I have not seen anyone consistently lash out at people. But maybe they are. Can you point out who these posters are so we can take care of it?



I see a lot of idiots here posting idiotic things. I see attention whores and trolls. They deserve to be lashed out at.

First, didn't you call this thread disgraceful? Why are you spending so much time in a thread you think so lowly of?

That question could be ask of a number of members who have so much negative to say about the thread but continue to engage in it.

Second, I am not going to call out posters by name, but we both know there are ones who spend the majority of their time quoting peoples posts with belittling response.

Third, just because you do not agree with someone's position or opinion on a player or situation does not make them an idiot, troll, or attention whore. Nobody deserves to be disrespected or belittled and the suggestion that they do is childish. In addition that behavior is disrespectful to to leadership of this board we all agreed to an expectation of conduct when we signed up and not abiding to that is essentially saying you do not care about this board or those who run it.

For the record I would view someone who comes along and bashes others or a thread as an attention seeker much more that someone who engages in a discussion and provides context, data and reasoning. A person would only have one reason to pronounce "this thread sucks" or refer to it as disgrace and that is to be noticed, otherwise if they actually felt it sucked they would just exit without saying anything and not waste their time.

 

[Bruins29]

Re: Edelman may be worth $6-$8 million, but is he worth that to a team that has A...

First, didn't you call this thread disgraceful? Why are you spending so much time in a thread you think so lowly of?

That question could be ask of a number of members who have so much negative to say about the thread but continue to engage in it.

Second, I am not going to call out posters by name, but we both know there are ones who spend the majority of their time quoting peoples posts with belittling response.

Third, just because you do not agree with someone's position or opinion on a player or situation does not make them an idiot, troll, or attention whore. Nobody deserves to be disrespected or belittled and the suggestion that they do is childish. In addition that behavior is disrespectful to to leadership of this board we all agreed to an expectation of conduct when we signed up and not abiding to that is essentially saying you do not care about this board or those who run it.

For the record I would view someone who comes along and bashes others or a thread as an attention seeker much more that someone who engages in a discussion and provides context, data and reasoning. A person would only have one reason to pronounce "this thread sucks" or refer to it as disgrace and that is to be noticed, otherwise if they actually felt it sucked they would just exit without saying anything and not waste their time.

I find it slightly ironic that someone with 6000 posts in a year is trying to infer that someone who came into a thread with a lot of sucky posts in it and said that the "thread sucks" (which is does) is trying to "be noticed"

Do you see the irony too?

 

[50-yard-line]

Re: Edelman may be worth $6-$8 million, but is he worth that to a team that has Amend

See where you are wrong is that I have no trouble with other posters, those posters have trouble with me.

Exactly my point, so no, I'm not wrong at all.

They get upset because they disagree with my opinion and they make it a personal issue sort of like you is doing here.

No, they get mad at you because you're condescending.
"You have a biased (sic)"
"You joined the same month he was signed so I get where you're coming from"
"Are you related to him?"
"You manipulate the numbers"
"Ram's fan"

And on and on. As soon as someone challenges your theses, you go right to these old stand-bys.

Just because you veil insults doesn't make them neutral statements.

They also get mad at you because this is like the 50th thread you've started on this same subject. We get it, really.

 

[Brady6]

Re: Edelman may be worth $6-$8 million, but is he worth that to a team that has A...

I find it slightly ironic that someone with 6000 posts in a year is trying to infer that someone who came into a thread with a lot of sucky posts in it and said that the "thread sucks" (which is does) is trying to "be noticed"

Do you see the irony too?

Well to be fair I had an another user name that Ian was nice enough to merged into this one so I do not actually have 6K worth of posts since the origination of the Brady6 user name. To answer your question I do not see the irony in it at all, you can read all 6K+ of my posts and you will not see any in where I entered a thread only to make an unpleasant statement and then exit. In addition, my posts with the exception of defending or explaining myself all are about actual players, coaches or situation, they all have substance (data, context, and reasoning).

If you want to do some self reflection why don’t you take a minute to read through your post history, take a look at what percent of them do not include some type of negative assertion about another member, thread or subject.

Needless to say I am not going to go back and forth with you, in the past I have tried to approach you in PM and you ignored it, if you actually had an issue you would have responded. You must be looking for attention, maybe someone else will give you “what you deserve” because I lack the interest to do so.

If you do not like put me on ignore, but seriously I do not like to fight with people on an internet board it is a really pathetic form of communication. The reason I do not place you on ignore is I have no issue with you, which is why I do not seek out your posts only to take issue with them, but I could if I wanted to troll or I lusted for attention.

 

[Brady6]

Re: Edelman may be worth $6-$8 million, but is he worth that to a team that has Amend

Exactly my point, so no, I'm not wrong at all.

You said I have issues with many posters, but I do not. Based on the number of likes I have I would say many people like what I post. You just do not like the fact that things you say I about Amendola I can discredit that frustrates you and causes you to lash out, I do not get frustrated when someone discredits me I take it as an educational opportunity. My ego is not so big that being wrong angers me, I admit when I am wrong and accept it.

No, they get mad at you because you're condescending.
"You have a biased (sic)"
"You joined the same month he was signed so I get where you're coming from"
"Are you related to him?"
"You manipulate the numbers"
"Ram's fan"

And on and on. As soon as someone challenges your theses, you go right to these old stand-bys.

Just because you veil insults doesn't make them neutral statements.

They are not insults 50 they are actualities.

- You have a biased towards Amendola, which is apparent in everything you post, and by the fact that there is no other player since you signed up in March of 2013 that you have dedicated as much as 1% of the time to defending or arguing on his or her behalf. When people call Ras-I Dowling glass I do not see you in there talking about how great he played in week one of 2011 and how it is not his fault that he was injured, etc.
- You did join the same month Amendola signed.
- Anyone who ignores all reason in support of someone and becomes as upset as you do when some speaks negatively of the person I would have to assume is related or close friends with the person. I know that I am not going to take time out of my day to call strangers names and defend the honor of another man that is not my relative or friend. Therefore, I ask the question.
- You do manipulate numbers, you use the ones that make Amendola look the best, as I said we all do it, you are not any different.
- I never said you were a Rams fan. I said to go back to the Rams forum and then I edited out because I acknowledged it was rude and I did it reactively.

I was sincere in my apology; apparently, you wish to ignore it and continue to fight with me endlessly.

They also get mad at you because this is like the 50th thread you've started on this same subject. We get it, really.

Who are they? I had one of the highest number of “likes” for my posts in 2013 of posters on this board, and my post count includes my posts from an older account, but the “likes” given and received did not carry over. I am not saying I am all that but you act as if I am this hated person and I clearly am not at all. The only time I have any issues is when I say something about Amendola, as if I am not allowed to be disappointed in a player.

Sadly your animosity toward me has blinded you from reading the OP. If you had, you would see that my position was that Edelman could be worth $6M but not to the Patriots because they have Amendola under contract, and from an economics perspective, the best thing for this team would be to proceed with Amendola and let Edelman walk if that is his contract expectations. For some odd reason that OP prompted, you to come in here as if I opened a thread that said “CUT AMENDOLA TODAY AND SIGN EDELMAN”. I do not understand that at all, so if I was abrasive toward you it was because I felt like you tried to make my OP and basis for this thread out to be a negative attack on Amendola.

 

[50-yard-line]

Re: Edelman may be worth $6-$8 million, but is he worth that to a team that has Amend

You just do not like the fact that things you say I about Amendola I can discredit that frustrates you and causes you to lash out,

Even that is condescending tripe. Jeebus, B6, do you even read what you post?

You didn't "discredit" anything. You discount the injury to the groin (and the concussion - look at Welker's numbers after he got lit up this year), and I don't. The number comparisons are what they are.

It's really that simple. I've had a groin pull - nothing like Amendola had - and you admittedly know nothing about it. Given those not-so-fond memories, I'm amazed he played as well as he did. (And please don't quote him saying he was near 100% again...Brady was saying the same thing with a torn ligament in his hand.)

I don't have a "bias" toward him, particularly over JE. I think I've said several times that my grandson is named after JE - he's been a hero in this house for years. The least surprised person in teh world over his performance was my son, who's been saying he could put up numbers like that for years now.

I think it would be STUPID with a capital STUPID to cut Amendola after this one year, for cap reasons and for performance reasons. That's not a bias; it's an honest evaluation. The Billy Ball numbers on Amendola are surprisingly good, and the blocking rating is VERY GOOD. I don't discount that.