Dolphins sign Isaiah Wynn

[JarOfMayo51]

Wynn ... 1 year, 2.3 million ... 400k in incentives, max is 2.7... per nesn

its actually more than i thought he would get

Patriots Fans Won't Be Surprised By Isaiah Wynn Contract Details

The details of Isaiah Wynn's contract with the Miami Dolphins are in, and New England Patriots fans probably won't be surprised.

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Hahahah wow

If that doesn’t humble him then nothing will

That is barely quality backup money

 

[Ross12]

Hahahah wow

If that doesn’t humble him then nothing will

That is barely quality backup money

2M for a left tackle is bottom dollar. Backup money at best. Pats are paying Calvin Anderson more than that - he got 2 years/$7M.

 

[mgteich]

2M for a left tackle is bottom dollar. Backup money at best. Pats are paying Calvin Anderson more than that - he got 2 years/$7M.

OK, after being insured for 2 years, being a far below starter for 2 years, and a horrible year at RT, he is paid as a backup.

Wynn's value after his 4th year was that he was a much below starters and an OK backup. After playing RT for a year, he is worth less.

If Wynn had the same history in his first 5 years playing for someone else, the patriots might very well have signed him, taking a shot with low guaranteed money.

 

[Brotherblues]

Hahahah wow

If that doesn’t humble him then nothing will

That is barely quality backup money

It's well below quality backup money. It's fringe veteran money. And there hasn't been any mention of guarantees that I'm aware of.

 

[crawhammer]

pretty sure sony over chubb because of scrimmage yards and the fact he scored more with less opportunities in his last season there... added dimension ... only thing i can think of...

Unfortunately for BB we have NFL careers to take into consideration now.

Yards per attempt:

Chubb... 5.2, 5.0, 5.6, 5.5, 5.0
Michel... 4.5, 3.7, 5.7, 4.1, 2.9

Rushing TDs:

Chubb... 8, 8, 12, 8, 12
Michel... 6, 7, 1, 4, 0

Seasons over 1000 yards and pro bowls:

Chubb... 4 & 4
Michel... 0 & 0

 

[PatsFan2]

Unfortunately for BB we have NFL careers to take into consideration now.

Yards per attempt:

Chubb... 5.2, 5.0, 5.6, 5.5, 5.0
Michel... 4.5, 3.7, 5.7, 4.1, 2.9

Rushing TDs:

Chubb... 8, 8, 12, 8, 12
Michel... 6, 7, 1, 4, 0

Seasons over 1000 yards and pro bowls:

Chubb... 4 & 4
Michel... 0 & 0

Sony is one of the luckiest dudes in the NFL he has two SB Rings for a mediocre player.

 

[crawhammer]

An "F"? That's absurd. How can I or anyone else take you seriously?

That's for you to decide for yourself. I'm just giving you my opinion based on actual data.

You're being ridiculous. The guy played more than 1100 snaps, centering a team that went to the AFCCG and 3 Superbowls, winning two of them (including the shutdown of the Rams, for which HE was the starting DT).

A non-factor occupying two blockers while your fantasy football guys get the accolades. Give me a break. He wouldn't have been here in that position for FOUR YEARS, playing almost every game, starting 5 out of 6, if he was a non-factor. He was drafted to fill a role on a veteran team making its last runs of the dynasty and he did a very good job or he wouldn't have lasted.

Brown played 7 years (average for a DT is less than half of that), and 120 game, including almost an entire 8th season in the playoffs with 14 games.

Isaiah Wynn started 40 games for the Patriots, so does that make him a good draft pick? According to you, BB wouldn't have had him there if he wasn't.

You have stats on Brown being double-teamed? Because that's not how I recall it. I mean did Brown ever have a dominant game? Even one.

You seem to think that every first round pick is supposed to be a star, but that's not supported at all by history.

Certainly not, if you're looking at Belichick's picks. But come on, name one other team in the NFL who hasn't scored at least one star in the 1st round over the past decade.

 

[crawhammer]

Malcom Brown was a disappointment because he had the impossible task of replacing Vince Wilfork, one of the greated DLmen we've ever had... Craw is wrong though, he's still playing - he's a free agent at the moment... wouldn't mind kicking his tires, as hes as good as if not slightly better than some of the depth pieces we have on the DL...

He hasn't played since he was released by the Jaguars on August 17, 2022. Didn't play last season. Seems like a clear indication he's done.

 

[crawhammer]

It's amazing how you ignore things.
Chubb - Couldn't pass block to save his life. Sony could.

You're also ignoring things like Film Study, Play Recognition, and other things that we fans don't get info on.

Harry was a consensus 1st round pick and considered to be ahead of the others. You're putting up revisionist history claiming otherwise. In fact, the Pats were lauded by the pundits for their selection. He was a McDaniels pick. I think McDaniels hit on only 2 WRs he ever drafted. Thomas and Decker. We know he missed on Chad Jackson, Price, Dobson, Boyce, and numerous others.

McDaniels is gone. Harry is gone.

Are you arguing that Belichick is good at drafting WRs? Or even competent? Because the list of names is irrefutably putrid.

Chubb has been the MUCH better NFL RB. Sony is probably finished. Film study? lol who cares about that now. Chubb probably will put up 1500 yards on film next season. Maybe the Patriots will invite Sony to Brady's opening day celebration. Maybe. But that's probably the closest he'll get to an NFL field in 2023.

 

[50-yard-line]

Unfortunately for BB we have NFL careers to take into consideration now.

Yards per attempt:

Chubb... 5.2, 5.0, 5.6, 5.5, 5.0
Michel... 4.5, 3.7, 5.7, 4.1, 2.9

Rushing TDs:

Chubb... 8, 8, 12, 8, 12
Michel... 6, 7, 1, 4, 0

Seasons over 1000 yards and pro bowls:

Chubb... 4 & 4
Michel... 0 & 0

I don't see anyone here arguing with you that Sony Michel is a better RB than Chubb (who's top 2 or 3 in the league).
Which doesn't make Michel a bad pick. Needs, responsibilities, scheme, health all play a role.


Michel filled a hole on a nearly complete team that very much helped win a Superbowl. If that's a bad pick at the end of Rd1, I hope the Pats get back to the end of Round 1 just so they can make many more just like him.

Chubb also did something remarkable: he fell off a lot after his injury in college, then fought his way back to become what he is today. Read the scouting reports on the two, side-by-side and it's pretty obvious why the Patriots chose Michel and plugged him right in behind the GOAT.


Michel strengths:
Excellent in blitz pickup
Understands his blocking responsibilities and will square up and take on rushers

• Chubb weaknesses:
• Vision is just okay
• Shows occasional hesitance in reading block development

Read the full reviews, really interesting surprises in there (and yes, I watched almost every Georgia game that year and wanted either one of them):

Sony Michel Draft and Combine Prospect Profile | NFL.com

All Combine and Draft-Related Analysis, News, Video, and Biographical Information for Sony Michel

www.nfl.com

Nick Chubb Draft and Combine Prospect Profile | NFL.com

All Combine and Draft-Related Analysis, News, Video, and Biographical Information for Nick Chubb

www.nfl.com

Michel was in there on passing downs because Michel was great at recognizing and picking up blitzes.

 

[50-yard-line]

That's for you to decide for yourself. I'm just giving you my opinion based on actual data.

Your opinion is absurd.

Isaiah Wynn started 40 games for the Patriots, so does that make him a good draft pick? According to you, BB wouldn't have had him there if he wasn't.

I think Wynn might have been a great pick if he hadn't blown his Achilles right before the start of his rookie season. Health is everything.
Last year clearly broke him. The Pats weirdly shifted him to RT in a contract year on an uncoordinated mess of an offense (and yes, that was a direct hit on his earning potential going forward - it's a business for the players, too).
Also, in year two, his actual rookie year, he was quite good. And he was very good in year 3 (most snaps on the OL) until he got turf toe.

Was he a good draft pick. No - health matters. Was he a bad choice? No, since his injuries could not be foreseen.

You have stats on Brown being double-teamed? Because that's not how I recall it. I mean did Brown ever have a dominant game? Even one.

He centered the line. I'm sure the other teams just had a cornerback play offense and knock him around...

Certainly not, if you're looking at Belichick's picks. But come on, name one other team in the NFL who hasn't scored at least one star in the 1st round over the past decade.

Show me another team in the NFL with draft capital as low as the Pats, not even counting the two picks stolen from them and the fact that they traded one for a 1,000 receiver (Cooks).
In BB's 24-year tenure with the Pats, they've had 6 - count 'em SIX - picks in the top 20, never mind the top half, of Round 1.

Those picks:
Seymour
Warren
Mayo
Solder
Jones
Gonzales

Yeah, that sucks. Now pretend that the second half of the first round is as good as the first, okay?

Jones was the first one picked inside 20 by the Pats in a decade. You keep trying to reduce things to statistics, which will tell you whatever you want them to tell you if you torture them enough. If Brown, for example, was an "F" pick, BB could have and would have replaced him rather easily in their final four years of an amazing five-year run. He didn't. Brown was doing what was asked of him and DEFENSE won that last SB, didn't it?

 

[Pape]

He hasn't played since he was released by the Jaguars on August 17, 2022. Didn't play last season. Seems like a clear indication he's done.

thought he played last year... and good, we should call him, he'll be even cheaper

 

[Pape]

careers to take into consideration now.

Now... is not 2018 when the decision was made...

People want to know why Sony was taken? There you go - a rational, reasonable explanation...


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[RobertWeathers]

Patriots 1st round draft picks over the past 10 years (with grade):

Dominique Easley F
Malcolm Brown F
Isaiah Wynn F
Sony Michel C-
N'Keal Harry F
Mac Jones C-
Cole Strange B-

No 1st round pick taken in 2013, 2016, 2017 or 2020. Christian Gonzalez obviously is a TBD.

Easley, Brown, Wynn, Michel and Harry aren't on the team anymore so their grades aren't changing. Easley and Brown aren't in the league anymore. I don't believe Michel has a home currently and he may be looking at an early retirement from the NFL. Harry might be finished too at age 25.

Mac Jones is probably one of the more likely starting quarterbacks in the NFL to be replaced before the end of the 2023 season (presumably by Zappe). I'm not predicting Jones will lose his job, I'm just saying he has higher odds of it than most starting quarterbacks.

There's one conclusion here... the Patriots are terrible at 1st round draft picks.

A little off.

Dominique Easley F
Malcolm Brown B
Isaiah Wynn C-
Sony Michel B
N'Keal Harry F
Mac Jones B-
Cole Strange B

 

[RobertWeathers]

FFS Sony Michel was a B did anyone watch the SB against the Rams

Consider the source.

 

[Pape]

pro bowls:

Really? Pro Bowls?

 

[Pape]

A little off.

Dominique Easley F
Malcolm Brown B
Isaiah Wynn C-
Sony Michel B
N'Keal Harry F
Mac Jones B-
Cole Strange B

* ahem, clears throat * { in my best Havard yard accent } sttttaaappphhh it .... he was on a roll

 

[crawhammer]

I don't see anyone here arguing with you that Sony Michel is a better RB than Chubb (who's top 2 or 3 in the league).
Which doesn't make Michel a bad pick. Needs, responsibilities, scheme, health all play a role.

Results matter. We aren't grading prospects anymore. These players have NFL résumés. Chubb's tells us he's a top running back in the NFL. Sony's tells us he's irrelevant by age 27.

Michel strengths:
Excellent in blitz pickup
Understands his blocking responsibilities and will square up and take on rushers

• Chubb weaknesses:
• Vision is just okay
• Shows occasional hesitance in reading block development

So we drafted Sony because he understood his blocking responsibilities? Lame. Can Rhamondre block? I don't know but he's GD good at everything else.

I think Wynn might have been a great pick if...

Are we really going to play that game? Patriots don't win SB 36 if Brady's ankle injury kept him out of the game. We can do ifs all day long or we can just look at the facts.

But forget my F for Wynn. @RobertWeathers gave him a C-. Even though RW apparently discounts my grades, I'll take his on merit.

He centered the line. I'm sure the other teams just had a cornerback play offense and knock him around...

Brown wasn't keeping defensive coordinators up at night. He was ordinary at best, which still isn't worthy of a 1st round pick.

Show me another team in the NFL with draft capital as low as the Pats

Arguably the best defender in NFL - T.J. Watt - was drafted 30th overall by the Steelers in 2017. Baltimore got Lamar Jackson at #32 in 2018. Look at the 2nd round WRs taken after N'Keal Harry in 2019: Deebo Samuel, A.J. Brown, & D.K. Metcalf. Justin Jefferson went at #22 and Brandon Aiyuk went at #25 in 2020. No one bats a thousand on higher round draft picks but a lot of teams hit at a higher percentage than the Patriots.

 

[50-yard-line]

Results matter. We aren't grading prospects anymore. These players have NFL résumés. Chubb's tells us he's a top running back in the NFL. Sony's tells us he's irrelevant by age 27.

Irrelevant to my post and position. Many RBs are irrelevant by 27 and Chubb could be in short order - like Barkley. Also, Chubb wouldn't be here now anyway - not at $12m/year. RBs fall off the face of the earth in a hurry. Again, irrelevant to my post.

So we drafted Sony because he understood his blocking responsibilities? Lame. Can Rhamondre block? I don't know but he's GD good at everything else.

He was rated as high as Chubb, was a team leader, AND knew how to block and pickup blitzes, something BB demands of his RBs (which is why so many get to sit and watch in year one). No one is arguing that Michel is better than Chubb. I expect that the Pats, with two RBs already off the board, took Michel over Chubb BECAUSE they were rated right next to each other and BECAUSE, yes, Sony Michel was ready to go right in for the next run and was less likely to get Brady killed. Michel was damned valuable to a team that won the Superbowl. You'd be happier rooting for the Browns. I don't care whether or not he's good now - you draft certain positions for their rookie contract, RB perhaps most of all.

Are we really going to play that game? Patriots don't win SB 36 if Brady's ankle injury kept him out of the game. We can do ifs all day long or we can just look at the facts.

But forget my F for Wynn. @RobertWeathers gave him a C-. Even though RW apparently discounts my grades, I'll take his on merit.

What game? The Patriots made a proper choice in taking Wynn, but the pick didn't work out. Happens A LOT. Like really, A LOT. Wynn had no injury history, but his, and our, luck changed before he played a game. It happens. He wasn't an "F" but he didn't work out the way anyone hoped, obviously.
I also think the Pats blew the last chance with the weird tackle swap of 2022. If Wynn stays healthy, Miami got a steal at our expense.

Brown wasn't keeping defensive coordinators up at night. He was ordinary at best, which still isn't worthy of a 1st round pick.

Not many DTs drafted after the top 15 do that. Brown had a good career whether he's done here or not. I mean, if they had been drafting in the top 10, they could have picked Quinnen Williams, maybe. Brown was expected to go earlier, by the way - maybe in the top-half of tjhe first round.

Arguably the best defender in NFL - T.J. Watt - was drafted 30th overall by the Steelers in 2017. Baltimore got Lamar Jackson at #32 in 2018. Look at the 2nd round WRs taken after N'Keal Harry in 2019: Deebo Samuel, A.J. Brown, & D.K. Metcalf. Justin Jefferson went at #22 and Brandon Aiyuk went at #25 in 2020. No one bats a thousand on higher round draft picks but a lot of teams hit at a higher percentage than the Patriots.

You're making my point - thanks! You can name the hits - now name the many, many misses.

And again, no one's arguing the Harry pick with Deebo and Brown on the board - that one is rightly dissed.

 

[captain stone]

FFS Sony Michel was a B did anyone watch the SB against the Rams

I would've preferred watching it with Nick Chubb vs the Rams.