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Does being under supernatural control exonerate Eve of any sin?

Discussion in 'Religion and Lighthearted Discussion' started by Greatest I am, Jan 31, 2014.

  1. SalemPats

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    Your answer is that one all-knowing entity created everything. There's no explanation on how this was created (who created that entity). Your argument has no basis.
     
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    Your first sentence is correct.

    Your second sentence assumes that something did create this entity. That is not my contention. I contend that God has been God always, and that no one preceded or created God.

    But we'll continue with your presumption.

    Then your illogic leaps to the third statement. My argument has no basis? On what basis? That I can't prove creation? If my argument has no basis, then neither does yours. You've not explained any of what I asked you about, nor can you prove it. Again, you may not like my answer, but at least it IS an answer.
     
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    So a God who has always existed is a ridiculous concept but a universe that has always existed has basis in some scientific concept that you haven't shared?

    When did the universe start and what started it? If this universe is one in a series, when did the series start? Where did the first in the series come from and when? Please cite scientific proof for each.
     
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    Just because we don't the answer doesn't mean that we have to create a fake one like you did.
     
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    I didn't create a fake one. I just examined the evidence on God's side and on random chance/luck/mother nature's side.

    And I didn't just roll out of bed a believer. Remember, I'm a former agnostic, then Buddhist, then evangelical, then Lutheran, then Catholic. In many ways, that's a fairly logical progression of faith. From nothing, to something, to Someone.

    I look at a sunrise, at the mountains, at my wife, at my sons, and am thankful. Aren't you thankful for things from time to time? Well, who do you thank? Yourself? Darwin? Astronomers? None of them created these things.
     
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    Since you're born again. Did you go through something traumatic. Is this an excuse for what you did wrong or fear of the unknown?
     
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    I don't fear the unknown. Heck, the KNOWN is a LOT scarier. LOL

    I believe in God and Christ, and the Holy Spirit, because I think they are the Truth.

    While all Christians are 'born again', I did not have a Damascus Road moment per se, as I was never opposed to God or Christ. I WOULD say that each time I asked something of God, He gave it. And each time He did, it brought me closer to the Church. Not that I knew it at the time, necessarily.
     
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    Answers others create = fake
    Answers you create = facts

    Got it. :rolleyes:
     
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    you haven't shown anything that makes sense. Do you believe in Harry Potter as well: :singing:
     
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    You probably went through some bad stuff man and know you are using GOD as a justification for your actions rather than fearing the unknown because it makes you feel better. I can understand that, but i think it's best not to preach it.
     
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    Umm, no, because Harry Potter is a know fictional character. Jesus Christ is not, but thanks for playing.

    Here's a clue: people who believe in Christianity are not "making up their own answers". The idea predates oldrover and I, yanno?

    I appreciate your attempt at dime store psychoanalysis on oldrover but once again you are missing the mark. That's 0 for 3 so far:

    Science? Nope, you are out of your depth
    History? Bzzzt
    Psychology? Fail
     
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    You are mistaken. On all counts. Especially the last.
     

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