Differences in big boards

[Snooky97]

There's a few blue chip prospects this year but even then the drop off for some of them isn't huge!

Rosen intrigues me as a trade up for but even then i don't want to. I want to build a Pats D from 2000-2005 when it was stupidly strong and bullied teams.

The talent from i'd say 20 to about 64/96 is very close depending on what your looking for.

I can see us going BPA or trade down this year personally, and maybe look at next years draft for a QB or wait till 2020

 

[manxman2601]

It's okay. I'm pretty sure most folks would agree with that.

You have to be pretty odd to be a draftnik. It’s not the most sensible activity.

 

[manxman2601]

There's a few blue chip prospects this year but even then the drop off for some of them isn't huge!

Rosen intrigues me as a trade up for but even then i don't want to. I want to build a Pats D from 2000-2005 when it was stupidly strong and bullied teams.

The talent from i'd say 20 to about 64/96 is very close depending on what your looking for.

I can see us going BPA or trade down this year personally, and maybe look at next years draft for a QB or wait till 2020

Considering te number of people we’ve looked at in that 31-43 range, it does suggest B.B. isn’t targeting a trade up, although I suspect he would if someone interesting does fall out of the top 10.

 

[Snooky97]

Considering te number of people we’ve looked at in that 31-43 range, it does suggest B.B. isn’t targeting a trade up, although I suspect he would if someone interesting does fall out of the top 10.

Agree, i think the main ones if he was going to trade up would be Chubb/Roquan Smith and at a push rosen?

 

[manxman2601]

Agree, i think the main ones if he was going to trade up would be Chubb/Roquan Smith and at a push rosen?

I think Derwin too - B.B. has sneakily been looking for LB/S hybrids for a while and Derwin offers plenty of versatility which is a big plus.

 

[Snooky97]

I think Derwin too - B.B. has sneakily been looking for LB/S hybrids for a while and Derwin offers plenty of versatility which is a big plus.

Slightly off topic what would our first round pick get next year?

 

[manxman2601]

Slightly off topic what would our first round pick get next year?

I tend to think of it as equal to the value of the middle pick of the next round down - ie equivalent to trading pick 48 (middle of this years 2nd round). That gives us 420 Pts which enables us to trade 23 up to between pick 12 and 13 from 23 and up to pick 15-16 from 31 using the traditional trade chart.

 

[WaterfallJumper]

Slightly off topic what would our first round pick get next year?

We'd have to package it to move up into the 1st. For example, here's what Wikipedia has on record for the 1st the Patriots used to draft Jerod Mayo.

#7: multiple trades:
#7: San Francisco ? New England (PD). San Francisco traded its first-round selection in 2008 and a fourth-round selection in the 2007 draft (No. 110, traded to the Oakland Raiders for Randy Moss, used to select John Bowie), to New England for one of its first-round selections in 2007 (No. 28, used to select Joe Staley).[source 1]
#7: New England ? New Orleans (D). New England traded its first- and fifth-round selections (No. 7 and 164) to New Orleans for New Orleans' first- and third-round selections (No. 10 and 78).[source 2][source 3]


So if that value holds true, we'd have to add a mid-round pick to next year's 1st in order to get into the top half of round one. If we wanted to go higher, we'd probably have to give up a 2nd.

EDIT: I also do not want to dip into 2019 draft capital. If anything, I want another 1st next year. The DL talent in 2019 is potentially the best I've seen in a single draft since 2011.

 

[Snooky97]

We'd have to package it to move up into the 1st. For example, here's what Wikipedia has on record for the 1st the Patriots used to draft Jerod Mayo.

#7: multiple trades:
#7: San Francisco ? New England (PD). San Francisco traded its first-round selection in 2008 and a fourth-round selection in the 2007 draft (No. 110, traded to the Oakland Raiders for Randy Moss, used to select John Bowie), to New England for one of its first-round selections in 2007 (No. 28, used to select Joe Staley).[source 1]
#7: New England ? New Orleans (D). New England traded its first- and fifth-round selections (No. 7 and 164) to New Orleans for New Orleans' first- and third-round selections (No. 10 and 78).[source 2][source 3]


So if that value holds true, we'd have to add a mid-round pick to next year's 1st in order to get into the top half of round one. If we wanted to go higher, we'd probably have to give up a 2nd.

EDIT: I also do not want to dip into 2019 draft capital. If anything, I want another 1st next year. The DL talent in 2019 is potentially the best I've seen in a single draft since 2011.

That's what i was thinking, just as next year's class looks stacked in a lot of places! Was just thinking what we could get our 23rd pick in this years draft next year!

Thank you as always @reamer and @manxman2601

 

[maineman209]

I tend to think of it as equal to the value of the middle pick of the next round down - ie equivalent to trading pick 48 (middle of this years 2nd round). That gives us 420 Pts which enables us to trade 23 up to between pick 12 and 13 from 23 and up to pick 15-16 from 31 using the traditional trade chart.

By the same token, the #43 this year could be worth a 2019 first + a 2018 4th or 5th.

Seattle has no 2nd or 3rd, but they have a 4th and a bunch of 5th-rounders. The Saints have no 2nd, but also have a couple of 5th rounders and 6th rounders. Houston has no 1st or 2nd round picks, but the have three 3rd-rounders. And, the Rams now have no 1st or 2nd, but they have three 4th rounders.

 

[manxman2601]

By the same token, the #43 this year could be worth a 2019 first + a 2018 4th or 5th.

Seattle has no 2nd or 3rd, but they have a 4th and a bunch of 5th-rounders. The Saints have no 2nd, but also have a couple of 5th rounders and 6th rounders. Houston has no 1st or 2nd round picks, but the have three 3rd-rounders. And, the Rams now have no 1st or 2nd, but they have three 4th rounders.

As long as our first two picks are good, I’m fine with trading 43 into the first next year. Currently we have a 1, 2, 3, 3, 3 next year so an additional first would certainly help with the rebuild project.

 

[maineman209]

As long as our first two picks are good, I’m fine with trading 43 into the first next year. Currently we have a 1, 2, 3, 3, 3 next year so an additional first would certainly help with the rebuild project.

IIRC, one of those 3rd-rounders went to the Browns in the trade for Shelton.

 

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[Hammer of Thor]

By the same token, the #43 this year could be worth a 2019 first + a 2018 4th or 5th.

Seattle has no 2nd or 3rd, but they have a 4th and a bunch of 5th-rounders. The Saints have no 2nd, but also have a couple of 5th rounders and 6th rounders. Houston has no 1st or 2nd round picks, but the have three 3rd-rounders. And, the Rams now have no 1st or 2nd, but they have three 4th rounders.

While it generally costs a full round to trade into a current year's draft from next year (i.e. 2nd rounder next year for a 3rd rounder this year), it's been a long time since a team has traded a future 1st round pick for a current year 2nd round pick. I'd have to dig into it to see the last time it's happened. Those 1st rounders are just considered precious by their teams; when they're traded, it's usually straight out for a player or as part of a package involving current year 1st round picks.

Because of that (and given the Pats' past history), if the Pats were to acquire an extra 1st rounder in 2019, I expect they would get it via pick 31 instead of pick 43. That SF trade Reamer posted, and the Saints trade from 2011 are what you'd likely see -- pick 31 traded for a 2nd-4th rounder in 2018 (depending on the anticipated record of the acquiring team) and a 2019 first. Depending on how the Pats/Scar feels about Garcia/Waddle and Cannon as their tackles, I could be down with that. Rumors are the Chargers are looking for a QB and they could be frozen out at 17 depending on how the draft falls; if they value someone else as a late 1st/early 2nd, they might want to make a deal to ensure they both get the guy and obtain the 5th year option.

 

[maineman209]

While it generally costs a full round to trade into a current year's draft from next year (i.e. 2nd rounder next year for a 3rd rounder this year), it's been a long time since a team has traded a future 1st round pick for a current year 2nd round pick. I'd have to dig into it to see the last time it's happened. Those 1st rounders are just considered precious by their teams; when they're traded, it's usually straight out for a player or as part of a package involving current year 1st round picks.

Because of that (and given the Pats' past history), if the Pats were to acquire an extra 1st rounder in 2019, I expect they would get it via pick 31 instead of pick 43. That SF trade Reamer posted, and the Saints trade from 2011 are what you'd likely see -- pick 31 traded for a 2nd-4th rounder in 2018 (depending on the anticipated record of the acquiring team) and a 2019 first. Depending on how the Pats/Scar feels about Garcia/Waddle and Cannon as their tackles, I could be down with that. Rumors are the Chargers are looking for a QB and they could be frozen out at 17 depending on how the draft falls; if they value someone else as a late 1st/early 2nd, they might want to make a deal to ensure they both get the guy and obtain the 5th year option.

Probably depends on how desperate a particular team is for a specific prospect. And maybe whether or not they feel they have a reasonable expectation of making the playoffs in 2018. If they think they're playoff bound, they might see it as a move down of only 20 spots or less in exchange for getting the right player when he's available.

 

[WaterfallJumper]

Dream trade down scenario: we somehow get a top ten pick for next year and end up with Clelin Ferrell. He's perfect for this defense. Superstar in the making.

 

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