Did Kraft put BB on notice?

[crawhammer]

Don’t insert yourself in a conversation with more Brady ballwashing. We all know how great Tom was… he’s retired and nobody at all mentioned Tom. But it’s telling how you need to mention him and every turn and defend him from invisible enemies. Weird…

lol look at the lengths you go to defend Rodgers. For a 4x NFL MVP, GOAT wannabe, narcissist who can't stop praising himself, his postseason NFL career is a massive disappointment. Despite all the excuses you want to make for him. Just re-watch the 2020 NFCCG as an example. He had 1st-goal with 2:22 left in the game and he made 3 ****ty plays in a row, with TDs available on each play, and he blew it. Like he usually does. His last 9 playoff games of the season have resulted in a loss 0-4 in conference championships. Look at Rodgers in the week 18 game vs Detroit at Lambeau... with the division in the balance... he had a chance to secure the win and he finished out the game 0-3 with a pick. Pathetic.

And it's not "ball washing" when you're pointing out facts. Ball washing is when you obscure facts with a large amount of excuse making... like you with Rodgers, Belichick, and Jones.

 

[Steve102]

Rodgers? You know what happens when it goes down that road.

 

[moosekill]

lol look at the lengths you go to defend Rodgers. For a 4x NFL MVP, GOAT wannabe, narcissist who can't stop praising himself, his postseason NFL career is a massive disappointment. Despite all the excuses you want to make for him. Just re-watch the 2020 NFCCG as an example. He had 1st-goal with 2:22 left in the game and he made 3 ****ty plays in a row, with TDs available on each play, and he blew it. Like he usually does. His last 9 playoff games of the season have resulted in a loss 0-4 in conference championships. Look at Rodgers in the week 18 game vs Detroit at Lambeau... with the division in the balance... he had a chance to secure the win and he finished out the game 0-3 with a pick. Pathetic.

And it's not "ball washing" when you're pointing out facts. Ball washing is when you obscure facts with a large amount of excuse making... like you with Rodgers, Belichick, and Jones.

This wasn't about Brady, and while I think Rodgers is greatly over rated and should never be in the same conversation as Brady, he is a great qb. People saying he sucks and he is the reason Green bay lost are wrong.

 

[crawhammer]

This wasn't about Brady, and while I think Rodgers is greatly over rated and should never be in the same conversation as Brady, he is a great qb. People saying he sucks and he is the reason Green bay lost are wrong.

Rodgers is a great QB. Obvious HOFer. He's in the all time top 10? But he's a lot like Peyton Manning, usually spectacular in the regular season, but the magic disappears in the playoffs. Neither one are clutch performers and each typically comes up short in the biggest moments. Peyton was terrible in every SB appearance, including the 2 he won. I mention Brady become he's the most obvious example at the other end of that spectrum.

 

[patfanken]

And it's not "ball washing" when you're pointing out facts. Ball washing is when you obscure facts with a large amount of excuse making... like you with Rodgers, Belichick, and Jones.

1-3 isn't bad in baseball.

 

[Wozzy]

lol look at the lengths you go to defend Rodgers. For a 4x NFL MVP, GOAT wannabe, narcissist who can't stop praising himself, his postseason NFL career is a massive disappointment. Despite all the excuses you want to make for him. Just re-watch the 2020 NFCCG as an example. He had 1st-goal with 2:22 left in the game and he made 3 ****ty plays in a row, with TDs available on each play, and he blew it. Like he usually does. His last 9 playoff games of the season have resulted in a loss 0-4 in conference championships. Look at Rodgers in the week 18 game vs Detroit at Lambeau... with the division in the balance... he had a chance to secure the win and he finished out the game 0-3 with a pick. Pathetic.

And it's not "ball washing" when you're pointing out facts. Ball washing is when you obscure facts with a large amount of excuse making... like you with Rodgers, Belichick, and Jones.

You blame Aaron Rogers for losing a playoff game where his special teams unit turned the ball over twice, gave up half the field on a kick return, his offensive line allowed him to be sacked five times and his TE fumbled the ball into the opposing team's hands... and you want to me take you seriously?

 

[PatsWSB47]

You blame Aaron Rogers for losing a playoff game where his special teams unit turned the ball over twice, gave up half the field on a kick return, his offensive line allowed him to be sacked five times and his TE fumbled the ball into the opposing team's hands... and you want to me take you seriously?

All true in that game but what separates a GOAT from a want-to-be is that the want-to-be doesn't deliver in that moment. Rogers is an all time great, don't get me wrong

 

[Wozzy]

All true in that game but what separates a GOAT from a want-to-be is that the want-to-be doesn't deliver in that moment. Rogers is an all time great, don't get me wrong

The Packers lost because the team around Rogers failed on multiple levels, the same way Brady threw for 505 yards, 3 TD's in the 2017 Super Bowl and lost the game. Rogers got sacked 5 times, pressured more times, his TE fumbled the ball into the opposing teams hands, his special teams unit turned the ball over twice on a blocked punt and field goal.

The outcome would have been exactly the same if Brady was the QB. Tom Brady exited the playoffs thirteen times without winning a Super Bowl, it usually wasn't Tom Brady's fault. It's a team game.

 

[FredFromDartmouth]

Anyway....I find this talk of firing BB insane. Crazy talk. However I could see stripping him of his GM duties, especially drafting or maybe more narrow than that and kick him out of the draft room when the Patriots are looking to draft a WR.

 

[PatsWSB47]

The Packers lost because the team around Rogers failed on multiple levels, the same way Brady threw for 505 yards, 3 TD's in the 2017 Super Bowl and lost the game. Rogers got sacked 5 times, pressured more times, his TE fumbled the ball into the opposing teams hands, his special teams unit turned the ball over twice on a blocked punt and field goal.

The outcome would have been exactly the same if Brady was the QB. Tom Brady exited the playoffs thirteen times without winning a Super Bowl, it usually wasn't Tom Brady's fault. It's a team game.

I think Brady would have made a play. I at least think Brady was usually better when it counted.

 

[Boomer B]

It's been all over the national media the last few days. There's an obvious disconnect between Kraft and Bill right now. Both have been positioning in the media with their comments. Kraft with the Meek Mill/Lamar bomb he dropped and telling the media making the playoffs is what counts. Bill saying he should be trusted because of the last 25 years, a comment that got pushback from ex-Pats like Bruschi.

They are clearly not in lockstep and with the general malaise of the franchise since Brady left the key figures are searching for their lifeboats.

 

[Grogan14]

Anyway....I find this talk of firing BB insane. Crazy talk. However I could see stripping him of his GM duties, especially drafting or maybe more narrow than that and kick him out of the draft room when the Patriots are looking to draft a WR.

BB would never accept that demotion

 

[Wozzy]

I think Brady would have made a play. I at least think Brady was usually better when it counted.

Except the thirteen times he didn't... Brady couldn't overcome a poor performance by his O-Line or his defense falling apart or his special team allowing two extra red zone opportunities for the opponent. This isn't Rudy... this is real-life football.

 

[FredFromDartmouth]

BB would never accept that demotion

Not explicitly but I wonder if it sort of happened already. After BB's disastrous 2019 draft (worst draft in Patriots history, the one that drove Brady out of town), I suspect that there was a change. I suspect that after the fallout from that draft, Kraft had a talk with BB and insisted that start delegating some of the draft duties, get some professional draft experts like Groh and not ignore his scouts as he may have done with Harry.

 

[Wozzy]

Not explicitly but I wonder if it sort of happened already. After BB's disastrous 2019 draft (worst draft in Patriots history, the one that drove Brady out of town), I suspect that there was a change. I suspect that after the fallout from that draft, Kraft had a talk with BB and insisted that start delegating some of the draft duties, get some professional draft experts like Groh and not ignore his scouts as he may have done with Harry.

Caesario left... I think holding onto him longer than he wanted to be here was a mistake, like many players before him.

They should have let Nick go earlier, he seems to have presided over too many questionable draft classes and he hasn't done a damn thing in Houston.

 

[n1997y]

It's been all over the national media the last few days. There's an obvious disconnect between Kraft and Bill right now. Both have been positioning in the media with their comments. Kraft with the Meek Mill/Lamar bomb he dropped and telling the media making the playoffs is what counts. Bill saying he should be trusted because of the last 25 years, a comment that got pushback from ex-Pats like Bruschi.

They are clearly not in lockstep and with the general malaise of the franchise since Brady left the key figures are searching for their lifeboats.

Some folks watch too much Hollywood drama. This isn’t GoT. News flash for you: Belichick isn’t angling to pull a coup to oust the Kraft family and take over the Patriots dynasty.

The entire cast here know their roles. It’s not a zero-sum game where one has to lose for another to star. They’re all collaborating on a shared production with a common goal: winning the Lombardi. They’re all mature professionals who know that pulling in different directions and backstabbing each other won’t do it.

Quit reading tea leaves through the lens of your fantasies and go back to watching made-for-TV miniseries.

 

[PatsWSB47]

Except the thirteen times he didn't... Brady couldn't overcome a poor performance by his O-Line or his defense falling apart or his special team allowing two extra red zone opportunities for the opponent. This isn't Rudy... this is real-life football.

No he wasn't Superman but I define him more by the clutch play(s) or clutch drives that put the team in a position to tie or go ahead throughout his long career. Its what he did in those moments that sets him apart. No other quarterback did it more. Yes he had a team and a coach but what Tom Brady did all those years still gives me goosebumps. Brady's career was real, not a movie script. The premise of such a storied career that began with a kid that couldn't run or look like he ever spent a minute in the weight room and was drafted 199 would even make a team let alone would wind up with every record out there. That script probably wouldn't make it past the writer's desk to become a movie.

 

[Calhoun44]

No he wasn't Superman but I define him more by the clutch play(s) or clutch drives that put the team in a position to tie or go ahead throughout his long career. Its what he did in those moments that sets him apart. No other quarterback did it more. Yes he had a team and a coach but what Tom Brady did all those years still gives me goosebumps. Brady's career was real, not a movie script. The premise of such a storied career that began with a kid that couldn't run or look like he ever spent a minute in the weight room and was drafted 199 would even make a team let alone would wind up with every record out there. That script probably wouldn't make it past the writer's desk to become a movie.

I'm pretty sure that movie has already been made, it just happens to be a different sport.

 

[Wozzy]

No he wasn't Superman but I define him more by the clutch play(s) or clutch drives that put the team in a position to tie or go ahead throughout his long career. Its what he did in those moments that sets him apart. No other quarterback did it more. Yes he had a team and a coach but what Tom Brady did all those years still gives me goosebumps. Brady's career was real, not a movie script. The premise of such a storied career that began with a kid that couldn't run or look like he ever spent a minute in the weight room and was drafted 199 would even make a team let alone would wind up with every record out there. That script probably wouldn't make it past the writer's desk to become a movie.

Now you’re just waxing poetic and feeling nostalgic. 2001 was a good year, despite everything else that happened.

 

[PatsWSB47]

I'm pretty sure that movie has already been made, it just happens to be a different sport.

Sort of similar but Rocky didn't go on to be the GOAT boxer in any script.