Denver gives me hope......

[BradyFTW!]

Maybe it is their personality{Not a good judging factor but..} it is my list

Hahaha, right on. I like Rodgers, but I'm with you re: Rivers. That guys a punk, I can't stand him.

 

[TB=TD]

McNabb's recieving options right now are better than Orton's. The fact that he was good in 2004 is irrelevant at this point. Same with Favre.

Right now, Orton IS the league MVP if things keep going the way they are.

He's on pace for 5600 yds passing at 67.5% comp% and 8.3 YPA, 24 TD, 12 INT.

Vick, on the other hand, was on pace for 3100 yds passing, at a 61% clip, for about 8 YPA. Kyle Orton is a much better QB than Vick.

I just can not see Orton ever taking MVP over Manning.

Farve was great last year not in 2004. When Orton leads that team to a playoff win like a Vick or a Mcnabb then people can claim he is better.

Did everyone forget the epic Bronco collapse last season?

 

[Synovia]

I just can not see Orton ever taking MVP over Manning.

Farve was great last year not in 2004. When Orton leads that team to a playoff win like a Vick or a Mcnabb then people can claim he is better.

Did everyone forget the epic Bronco collapse last season?

Did we forget again that there are 22 starting positions on a football team?


And Orton wasn't even in the league the last time McNabb or Vick won a playoff game.

 

[dhamz]

If the Pats without Moss need to look to the Denver , a 500 team with the league's 11th best offense at under 22 ppg, as a sign of hope then things are really bad.

 

[BradyFTW!]

Last year Chris Johnson, 4 games in had 434 Yds Rushing in 69 Carries for 6.3 ypc. He also had 120 yards receiving.

He's got 354 yards in 94 carries right now, for 3.75 ypc, and 38 yards receiving right now.


Those aren't similar at all. One is fantastic, the other is below replacement.

You heard it here first, Chris Johnson is currently below replacement level

That means that the Titans should have no problem replacing his production with someone's practice squad RB.

This is an object lesson in why the YPC stat requires a boatload of context before you can take it at face value, especially when your sample size is a fraction of a season. Through 4 games, every defense has explicitly keyed on Chris Johnson, and all but ignored the passing game. One of those four games was against the best rush defense in the NFL. I dunno how many other ways there are to say this, but it's pretty obvious that Johnson's performance is far from replacement level. A replacement level RB wouldn't break 3.0 YPC in Johnson's shoes.

 

[TB=TD]

Did we forget again that there are 22 starting positions on a football team?


And Orton wasn't even in the league the last time McNabb or Vick won a playoff game.

You didn't address the Bronco meltdown last season. Orton had to of played a part in that disaster.

 

[PatsChamp88]

They have no running game, one half way decent receiver and Kyle "LOL" Orton. I know Josh is a great OC but we have more weapons than them right now with Tom Brady. This offense can still be productive. Have faith in Bill.. he must of seen something in our offense to make that trade.

 

[Synovia]

You heard it here first, Chris Johnson is currently below replacement level

That means that the Titans should have no problem replacing his production with someone's practice squad RB.

This is an object lesson in why the YPC stat requires a boatload of context before you can take it at face value, especially when your sample size is a fraction of a season. Through 4 games, every defense has explicitly keyed on Chris Johnson, and all but ignored the passing game..

Well, right now Javon Ringer has 8 yards per carry behind the same line. So I really doubt its queing in ion the run.

And yeah, I've watched a bit of the Titans this year.. Johnson looks slower.

 

[Synovia]

You didn't address the Bronco meltdown last season. Orton had to of played a part in that disaster.

Or, it could be that their defense was terrible, and the early part of the season was a mirage.


I mean, how about the Brady Meltdown last year? Or the Brady Meltdown in 2005? Or the Brady Meltdown in the superbowl.


Football is a team game.

 

[TB=TD]

Or, it could be that their defense was terrible, and the early part of the season was a mirage.


I mean, how about the Brady Meltdown last year? Or the Brady Meltdown in 2005? Or the Brady Meltdown in the superbowl.


Football is a team game.

Denver never had a terrible defense. Champ plus the leading sack specialist should not equal failure.

 

[BradyFTW!]

Well, right now Javon Ringer has 8 yards per carry behind the same line. So I really doubt its queing in ion the run.

And yeah, I've watched a bit of the Titans this year.. Johnson looks slower.

Almost half of Ringer's yards came on one carry. Small sample size, etc. etc. As for Johnson, I don't see it. I see defenses stacking the box with more dedication than I've ever seen it done before, and daring Vince Young to beat them in the air. Young can't do it. Every defense's entire gameplan, right now, is to funnel Johnson inside. And he's still busting off about 1 huge run per game.

 

[BradyFTW!]

You didn't address the Bronco meltdown last season. Orton had to of played a part in that disaster.

Not really. Orton played well down the stretch, with week 17 as the obvious exception.

They screwed themselves over from weeks 14-17. From weeks 14-16, Orton posted QB ratings above 90 every time, and was averaging 250 yards 2 TDs, and <1 int per game. He was playing well, but the team imploded around him. It was partly a rookie head coach thing, partly d-bags like Marshall and Scheffler submarining the team... who knows, really, but Orton's one of the few people that you definitely can't fault.

 

[Synovia]

Almost half of Ringer's yards came on one carry. Small sample size, etc. etc.

And 1/3 of Johnsons came on one carry.

 

[TB=TD]

Not really. Orton played well down the stretch, with week 17 as the obvious exception.

They screwed themselves over from weeks 14-17. From weeks 14-16, Orton posted QB ratings above 90 every time, and was averaging 250 yards 2 TDs, and <1 int per game. He was playing well, but the team imploded around him. It was partly a rookie head coach thing, partly d-bags like Marshall and Scheffler submarining the team... who knows, really, but Orton's one of the few people that you definitely can't fault.

Two td's and one interception per game will not win many games unless you have a Raven or Steeler type defense. Quarterback ratings are also subjective.

 

[BradyFTW!]

Denver never had a terrible defense. Champ plus the leading sack specialist should not equal failure.

They had one of the worst defenses in the league in the last year of Shanahan/Cutler. Last year the defense was average to above average, though, so I dunno what Synovia's talking about.

 

[BradyFTW!]

Two td's and one interception per game will not win many games unless you have a Raven or Steeler type defense. Quarterback ratings are also subjective.

Most teams would kill for a QB who gave them 2 TDs and .66 INTs per game. Over a full season, that comes out to 32 TDs and 10 INTs, which would be the best non-2007 season of Tom Brady's career.

 

[TB=TD]

Most teams would kill for a QB who gave them 2 TDs and .66 INTs per game. Over a full season, that's 32 TDs and 10 INTs, which is pro bowl caliber. With that, you can win plenty of games with even an average defense.

That would be 32 and 16 and Orton didn't throw close to 32.

 

[BradyFTW!]

That would be 32 and 16 and Orton didn't throw close to 32.

No it wouldn't: 2 INTs in 3 games = .66 INTs per game = between 10 and 11 per year.

Nobody claimed that Orton threw 32 TDs. That's the pace that he maintained in weeks 14-16 while the Broncos were collapsing, so obviously it's not Orton's fault that they faded. There are a lot of guys to blame for that, but your claim that it's Orton's fault is just wrong.

You then said that 2 TDs and 1 INT per game is only enough to win if you have a defense like the Ravens or the Steelers. Of course that's not true. 32 TDs and 16 INTs is a good season by pretty much any standard. That'll get you to the pro bowl. Most teams would kill to get that kind of production from their quarterback.

 

[TB=TD]

Kyle Orton Game Log - Denver Broncos - ESPN

Weeks 8,9,10,11,14

 

[Dutchmaster617]

They have no running game, one half way decent receiver and Kyle "LOL" Orton. I know Josh is a great OC but we have more weapons than them right now with Tom Brady. This offense can still be productive. Have faith in Bill.. he must of seen something in our offense to make that trade.

Great topic, not many people notice Orton leads the league, more yards than Manning, Brees, and Rodgers. So saying that a passing game is dependent on one man pulling safties or dragging double teams is ridiculous. I have seen guys throw for 400 yards several times without a monster first option, or a run game to back them up.