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Content Post Dear Bill - Thanks for Giving Away the Super Bowl.

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That's so bs! Scheme. You telling me that bademosi or whoever's better than butler on agholor? Agholor killed us with some big plays. Some big 3rd down plays as well. People will keep talking but we will never know the truth.


that's what coach will have you believe
 
He wasn't ready to play and the coaching staff lost trust in him.

yeah i hear he forgot how to play football 10 days after he helped get the team to the third superbowl in his 4 years with the team
 
BB made the decision Malcolm's preparation would not put him a position to be successful in the game and thus hurt the team.

You can dislike that all you want.

What is clear is how BB runs the organization is suddenly inconvenient for you


you'd have to define 'him being successful' .... because him being unsuccesful still could have yielded a superior result on Agholor
 
Foles was on fire, and they had a good two headed running attack.

We were just beaten by good personnel who were well coached

BB can exploit a coach's weaknesses, but what is he supposed to do when a coach doesn't show any? What the Eagles' coaches did was frankly impressive. They deserved to win and probably would have won even with Butler out there.
I can bet butler wouldve made better tackles than jordan richards. I may lose the bet but I feel the percentages are higher. Eagles deserving is one thing. Helping them out even more by playing richards and co. is another thing.
 
Brandon Browner made some Instagram rant where he suggested it, but that was based off some Twitter rumor started by a nobody.


which Hightower gave a like to......just sayin

we probably have a soap opera on our hands heading into the SB hangover season.....should be a blast
 
I can bet butler wouldve made better tackles than jordan richards. I may lose the bet but I feel the percentages are higher. Eagles deserving is one thing. Helping them out even more by playing richards and co. is another thing.

ya.......jordan richards........that's what we get when some stiff has a perfect week of practice
 
maybe......but he was there and ready to go at a position that killed us.......so not even trying is the big wrong here
And if he didn't try that, in full knowledge of the potential consequences of not doing so, then it must have been a pretty serious reason. Bill would never sit a guy like Butler unless he had what seemed to him like a really good reason to sit him, especially not in a game like the Superbowl.
 
Well..thats one way to look at it. But I find it hard to believe they had zero confidence in him playing 1 defensive snap and thought jordan richards could do a better job.
I think people are taking criticism of BB 's decision as a criticism as a head coach and everything he has done. Believe me , i would be pissed if he leaves. He is the biggest reason we have been contenders eveyr yr and event his yr his choice of UDFA and FA signings are mostly home runs. But its not wrong to question what he did. I watched the show "two bills" last and something he said which cme to me. He said Parcells was the boss and whatever he said we did , our job was to accept the chain of command. I dont have a problem with it but if it effected the team dynamics then its not right. There is a balance between situational awareness and emotional awareness and the last thing the defense needed was to stand on the sidelines wondering why their DB who played 98% of the snaps all season wasnt good enough for 1 snap but dressed all game. It felt like a standing punishment for the guy at the cost of every other player's game.
Again I dont have a problem with them not playing him. Heck if he had flu and been very sick , or been caught with drugs and been inactive and we lost this game, I would probably chuck it to bad luck . But to dress him up and make him stand on the sideline all game even in the last drive where all they needed was 1 stop is bewildering. Scott Zolak who i actually dont like because he is a over the top homer for the pats, himself seemed to wonder why. And zolak is quite plugged into the team.
Sure there were other reasons for the loss. Bad ST play, bad RZ offense all contributed but mistakes are what sports are about. You cant control what happens.You can control what you can do about it in the next play and series and pats just didnt try a single snap just to change it up in the most important game of the season and that to the same player who they put in at the most important snap in the game 3 yrs ago.
Great post.

Look- All I have been saying since 6am is BB felt Malcolm could not be trusted to execute the game plan on any level and putting him in would have completely run counter to the very core the team's winning culture is built on.

As you know BB doesn't give a **** what people think or feel or what their emotions are. He does not think factoring in emotions or feelings is part of the core when determining what helps you win.
 
I can bet butler wouldve made better tackles than jordan richards. I may lose the bet but I feel the percentages are higher. Eagles deserving is one thing. Helping them out even more by playing richards and co. is another thing.
Do we even know that Butler was healthy?
 
I suspect we’ll eventually find out at least bits and pieces.

All I know is playing him in the second half could not have resulted in any worse than what we got. That’s for damn sure. It’s not like they could have scored any more. Their plan was clearly to go for it on 4th down as much as humanly possible.

In all honesty I thought Brady was going to go down the field and win the game.

And if I thought that Belichick had benched Butler over just a curfew violation then I think that would have been a mistake and an overreaction, I thought benching Welker for a series for his foot jokes, and while I am clearly being taken as a Belichick suck up I also took huge criticism for my criticism of him over the Welker negotiations, and FTR, I was wrong about that. I don’t , however, believe that it was much more than just a disciplinary action, I think it was an extended pattern of attitudes and behaviors by Butler in the lead up to the Super Bowl, and that culminated in the coaches concluding Butler could not be trusted. And that, imo, is completely on Butler. Belichick and his coaches worked hard with Butler and placed great trust and faith in him, and Butler blew that faith and trust.
 
ya.......jordan richards........that's what we get when some stiff has a perfect week of practice

BB did what was best for the team and playing Richards was best for the team lol. This one will stay with bill the rest of his career. Still the best coach to ever do it but this move was mind boggling.
 
Everyone is pissed off, sad and upset. I get it.

The only point I'm trying to make is that a winning foundation and culture is not fleeting. It has standards and accountability. To maintain that requires 100% commitment 24x7x365 and has zero room for those who are not committed to the cause.

Malcolm was not committed. He was not ready to play in the biggest game of the year. He was not ready to do his job and his coach didn't think so either.

Thats all there is is to it.
I think no one here is questioning BB's approach to build a winning foundation and culture. But to tell a player he is not playing before the anthem somehow enforces the values on the rest of the team before the biggest game of the season is okay to be questioned I think. Not sure why fans cant question the way it was handled.
 
Because that is wild conjecture. The only fact is Belichick didn’t let him play.

It’s not conjecture at all, it’s Butler’s own words on the situation. “ They lost faith in me.” “ They gave up on me.”

His words, not mine.
 
In all honesty I thought Brady was going to go down the field and win the game.

And if I thought that Belichick had benched Butler over just a curfew violation then I think that would have been a mistake and an overreaction, I thought benching Welker for a series for his foot jokes, and while I am clearly being taken as a Belichick suck up I also took huge criticism for my criticism of him over the Welker negotiations, and FTR, I was wrong about that. I don’t , however, believe that it was much more than just a disciplinary action, I think it was an extended pattern of attitudes and behaviors by Butler in the lead up to the Super Bowl, and that culminated in the coaches concluding Butler could not be trusted. And that, imo, is completely on Butler. Belichick and his coaches worked hard with Butler and placed great trust and faith in him, and Butler blew that faith and trust.
And they informed him before the anthem that they lost faith in him so just stand here and watch us win without you ? I just cant wrap around the fact this was handled, playing butler or otherwise.
 
I think no one here is questioning BB's approach to build a winning foundation and culture. But to tell a player he is not playing before the anthem somehow enforces the values on the rest of the team before the biggest game of the season is okay to be questioned I think. Not sure why fans cant question the way it was handled.

Fans aren’t questioning how it was handled, they have been blaming Belichick and even calling for his head. He’s been getting killed and Butler, whose behavior led to the issue, is being given a total pass. Some have even said that they don’t care if Butler hit a coach, he still should ha e played. I .e..there is nothing he could have done they wouldn’t excuse.
 
Great post.

Look- All I have been saying since 6am is BB felt Malcolm could not be trusted to execute the game plan on any level and putting him in would have completely run counter to the very core the team's winning culture is built on.

As you know BB doesn't give a **** what people think or feel or what their emotions are. He does not think factoring in emotions or feelings is part of the core when determining what helps you win.
BB doesnt give a **** what people think but gives a **** what can effect the outcome of the game I think. And seeing what was happening for 3+ hrs on the field and not doing anything about is against BB's policy over the yrs - doing whatever it takes to win on the game.
 
And they informed him before the anthem that they lost faith in him so just stand here and watch us win without you ? I just cant wrap around the fact this was handled, playing butler or otherwise.

Lost faith in what? I remembered him playing very well in the second half of the jags game. It was a low blow by BB
 
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